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$700+ billion dollar "stiimulus package" down the hole..as a start. And yet Congress is already talking about a 2nd stimulus package. What will it take for these clowns to realize you can't spend money if you don't have any. Maxing out on your credit cards to the tune of $1.8 trillion dollars isn't the answer to solve a serious and alreadying mounting debt problem.To avoid any more temptation the credit card user ought to cut up his credit cards....prono.
 
Nobody cares about your concern, you just make excuse due right wing.
 
I care about it and not because I'm left wing or right wing but because I have a calculator. $11.5 trillion debt, $1.85 trillion deficit, Medicare and Social Security heading towards insolvency as the baby boomers head towards retirement- it's hardly the time to add a second stimulus package after the first one has disastrously failed to live up to its promises. As it is, we're already going to be paying for this for years to come.

If only the right wing cares about all this, then I guess the right is right.
 
darkdog said:
I care about it and not because I'm left wing or right wing but because I have a calculator. $11.5 trillion debt, $1.85 trillion deficit, Medicare and Social Security heading towards insolvency as the baby boomers head towards retirement- it's hardly the time to add a second stimulus package after the first one has disastrously failed to live up to its promises. As it is, we're already going to be paying for this for years to come.

If only the right wing cares about all this, then I guess the right is right.
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Amen to that!
 
darkdog said:
I care about it and not because I'm left wing or right wing but because I have a calculator. $11.5 trillion debt, $1.85 trillion deficit, Medicare and Social Security heading towards insolvency as the baby boomers head towards retirement- it's hardly the time to add a second stimulus package after the first one has disastrously failed to live up to its promises. As it is, we're already going to be paying for this for years to come.

If only the right wing cares about all this, then I guess the right is right.
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That's your problem, Obama won the election in last Nov and you need get deal.

If it don't meet your exception then what's wrong with reside to other country?
 
Foxrac said:
That's your problem, Obama won the election in last Nov and you need get deal.
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It's actually everyone's problem. And it's not just about Obama- it's about the Congress, too. We will all eventually have to pay for this spending spree, whether it be through increased taxes, inflation, or some combination of both.

Foxrac said:
If it don't meet your exception then what's wrong with reside to other country?
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No, I'm not going to change countries just because I don't like the policies of those currently in power. I'd rather stick around and push for better policies that will be beneficial for everyone in my country.

By the way, this is a good argument for states rights. All these things the Congress is doing are not actually authorized in the Constitution. As such, they are powers granted to the states by the 10th amendment. If a state decides to spend large sums of money they don't have and implement policies that will crush the economy, then I can always move to another state without having to abandon my country. We're already seeing that in California. But when the federal government screws up, we're all screwed.
 
darkdog said:
It's actually everyone's problem. And it's not just about Obama- it's about the Congress, too. We will all eventually have to pay for this spending spree, whether it be through increased taxes, inflation, or some combination of both.


No, I'm not going to change countries just because I don't like the policies of those currently in power. I'd rather stick around and push for better policies that will be beneficial for everyone in my country.

By the way, this is a good argument for states rights. All these things the Congress is doing are not actually authorized in the Constitution. As such, they are powers granted to the states by the 10th amendment. If a state decides to spend large sums of money they don't have and implement policies that will crush the economy, then I can always move to another state without having to abandon my country. We're already seeing that in California. But when the federal government screws up, we're all screwed.
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Too early to say about effect of bailout and budget deficit has started an problem since Bush admin, even you can't blame on Obama and he stated that he want cut by half.

Blame on Obama for poor economy is out of question since poor economy has started during Bush admin.
 
Well, y'all better learn fast to care about the economy because it could mean your job or more spending on your end when taxes and cost of living continue to go up.

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Consumer confidence is within striking distance of its worst in weekly polls since late 1985 for the third straight week.

The ABC News Consumer Comfort Index stands at -52 on its scale of +100 to -100, 2 points from the lowest on Jan. 25. The index has spent the last three weeks below -50, territory it’s seen only 14 times in over 1,220 weeks of polls, with eight of those coming this year alone.

Positive ratings of the buying climate dropped this week, down 4 points to 22 percent, matching the largest one-week drop ever. In 23 years of weekly polls it’s fallen this far this fast only eight other times. The other two components of the index - ratings of the economy and personal finances - held near their historic lows.

Continued weakness in the job market isn’t helping confidence. The unemployment rate increased in June to 9.5 percent, the highest in 26 years. In a separate measure, the government reported that 467,000 jobs were lost last month, surpassing analysts’ expectations. In the first half of the year, 3.4 million jobs have been cut from the nation’s payrolls.
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Confidence Flirts with Record Low

And yet Congress is thinking about putting out another stimulus package when the first $800 billion (even parts of it that have already gone out) didn't do squat to help quickly jump start the economy. They, all of the Dems in Congress, were in such a hurry to push the package out (that they never bothered to read) with Obama's signature because "time was of essence" to push it through.
Obama Signs Stimulus To Jump Start Economic Recovery - ABC News

Did it work? You be the judge. And what's really incredible is that they are talking about a second stimulus package. Remember how I repeated often the stimulus package is spending money we don't have? Much akin to maxing out several of your credit cards thinking that accumulating debt is the answer to your own debt problem? That's exactly what's happening with Obama.

Reckless and immoral.
 
Time to practice your marksmanship. What do you offer for a solution? All I see is complaining. I assume you are politically active. I sure hope posting slanted propaganda is not your only contribution.
 
Yep. I have a solution. But that's for another thread.
 
Foxrac said:
Too early to say about effect of bailout and budget deficit has started an problem since Bush admin, even you can't blame on Obama and he stated that he want cut by half.
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I agree it has been a problem throughout the Bush administration. However, that's no excuse for Obama and the Congress to implement policies that make it far worse. This isn't some Bush vs. Obama game. Our future's on the line, so it makes the most sense to talk about what the people currently in power are doing in the present.

Obama said he wants to cut the deficit by half, but only from the 2009 level, which is $1.8 trillion and four times larger than 2008. In other words, he's going to multiply it by four and then cut it in half.

I've posted numerous times the chart showing the deficit forecasts from the White House and the Congressional Budget Office. It also shows the Bush years for contrast. Even the White House's unrealistical estimates are much worse than the Bush years. I posted it just yesterday. Here's the link.

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/66965-sarah-palin-quits-6.html#post1369705

Be sure to take a good look at it. Then you'll know why people like me and kokonut are complaining.

As far as the stimulus goes, Obama said that unemployment would not exceed 8% if we passed the bill, but the economy would be disastrous if we didn't do it as quickly as possible. It has not only exceeded 8%, but is now at 9.5% and rising. This isn't a surprise. Critics of the stimulus said that very little of the money would be spent in 2009, so it would take a long time to have any noticeable effect.

If we're expecting too much too soon, it's only because the president himself set those high expectations.

Foxrac said:
Blame on Obama for poor economy is out of question since poor economy has started during Bush admin.
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Not entirely. He was in the Senate for two years and did vote for the bailouts. The executive branch is just one branch of the government. Congress holds the power of the purse. Whatever happens from here on out can't entirely be blamed on the President or be credited to the President.

Still, regardless of who's to blame for the economic meltdown, it's very reasonable to criticize him for policies which I believe will only make things worse.
 
Foxrac said:
Nobody cares about your concern, you just make excuse due right wing.
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I think you should try curbing your finger-pointing at people of being left/right wing because it's a misnomer.
 
Jiro said:
I think you should try curbing your finger-pointing at people of being left/right wing because it's a misnomer.
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Like a bird, if you only use one wing, you crash or go in circles. I like to go by the issues each candidate stands for, even though it might be hogwash. I always say: "The only way to tell if a politician is lying is if their lips are moving". To vote purely on party lines is the easy way out.
 
Foxrac said:
Too early to say about effect of bailout and budget deficit has started an problem since Bush admin, even you can't blame on Obama and he stated that he want cut by half.

Blame on Obama for poor economy is out of question since poor economy has started during Bush admin.
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Yep...why you think Bush was the VERY least popular president in history? Many other presidents as Abe Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagon, and even Bill Clinton could do it WAY better than him!

And it's only halfway for Obama's first year in the office. There are already some improvements but big problems as the economy and jobs obviously take time. It's a hell of a mess.
 
Steel X said:
Yep...why you think Bush was the VERY least popular president in history? Many other presidents as Abe Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagon, and even Bill Clinton could do it WAY better than him!

And it's only halfway for Obama's first year in the office. There are already some improvements but big problems as the economy and jobs obviously take time. It's a hell of a mess.
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Harry Truman was a very unpopular President in his time. Decades later..... he is now a highly-respected figure. Same thing for Reagan. People thought Reagan's policy was odd and paranoid.... but now we looked back and said - damn he was right.
 
It's funny thou...I can't help but think that some people are complaining about Obama's work as the President due to the fact that he is the first Black President and don't see him as anyone who is skilled or trained with political stuff or whatever...who knows. *shrugs* not my problem anyway.
 
It has nothing to do with the color of his skin but rather his lack of experience. No executive experience. No military experience. Was barely a junior senator, wet behind the ears. And what he does or say comes with an expiration date. People voted mostly because of his skin color, not his experience. ACORN pretty much proved that right off the bat. An organization that claimed to be a non-profit, non-partisan social justice organization. Non-partisan? A non-partisan voter registration organization Get out the Vote? If you actually believe that then better stop smoking that weed, man. "In an internal ACORN memo -- dated January 26, 2004 -- spelled out explicit gerrymandering strategies to benefit Democrats."
ACORN Gerrymandering Political Strategy -- Internal ACORN Memo
ACORN internal memo blows cover off its claims of "non-partisan" status

ACORN commits fraud on a daily basis by making that non-partisan claim in order to claim 501(c) status.

As for me I look at both experiences and political philosophy. Not skin color.
 
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