Obama Cuts Funding to Democracy Protesters In Iran.

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Jiro said:
he resigned the seat to his brother. nobody threw him out of office.

Exactly.
He was assassinated. nobody threw him out of office.

Exactly.
they got their freedom from its tyranny. Before - they were treated as second-class citizens. Now they're treated as equal.
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And still under the thumb of the British monarch.
 
Daredevel7 said:
So then, why need so much money? I mean the reason why people are pissed off in the first place is that we stopped giving them so much money.
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where would America be if it wasn't for aid from France... we would be here
 
Jiro said:
yes - we failed Vietnam for example. We lose some, win many. It's not about how much we can fund it. We can provide them education and tool but it's entirely up to them on how they use it and how much further they want to go. Apparently - it's working so far for them by using the tools invented by Americans - facebook, twitters, youtube, and most importantly - the Western education.
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Yeah, its working real well. Hence the riots.:P
 
Jiro said:
oh yes you bet your ass that it was worth it. Example - Fidel Castro. Che Guevara. Abraham Lincoln. Scottish people in Medieval Age against British. too many to list.
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Jiro you are missing the point with these examples as they are worded...
 
Daredevel7 said:
And you think that if there is enough funding, it will work also for Iran? Or is it more like "Lets fund every single possible cause and see what happens."

(You do realize that there are also failures...)
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Yeah, I'm sitting here wondering what happened to the oft heard cry "Obama is spending too much money!!!":giggle:
 
jillio said:
Exactly.
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exactly what? We're not overthrowing Iran Supreme Ruler nor Iran President. In case you didn't know - Saddam's location was tipped off by Iraqi. Saddam was tried by Iraqis and hung by Iraqis.

jillio said:
And still under the thumb of the British monarch.
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yea and? again - re-read Royale's post regarding monarchy. It has a form of democracy.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
I'm more worried about the Islamic terrorists. they bomb us. never paid much attention to the IRA anyway...
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true. On positive note - I agreed with Obama's speech to Pakistan saying that they must do something to separate the extremists because they're tarnishing the image of Islamic people. It is not us Westerners that are in greater danger than before.... It is the Islamic countries and Islamic people. I think Obama delivered the speech with right word and right tone on that specific issue.
 
Jiro said:
yep. we had riots here too and the result was worth it :cool2:
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We are not Iran. That is the point you are missing, Jiro.:roll: We are a Westernized country. We function differently culturally and politically from a country in the middle east.
 
Jiro said:
exactly what? We're not overthrowing Iran Supreme Ruler nor Iran President. In case you didn't know - Saddam was tried by Iraqis and hung by Iraqis.


yea and? again - re-read Royale's post regarding monarchy. It has a form of democracy.
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It uses democratic principles. It is not a "form" of democracy. Again, the difference between an adjective and a noun. Democracy does not provide for a monarch as ruler under any form.
 
jillio said:
We are not Iran. That is the point you are missing, Jiro.:roll: We are a Westernized country. We function differently culturally and politically from a country in the middle east.
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Kent State Shootings?
 
jillio said:
It uses democratic principles. It is not a "form" of democracy. Again, the difference between an adjective and a noun. Democracy does not provide for a monarch as ruler under any form.
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democratic..... an adjective word that is pertaining to the form of democracy. It's same word, Jillio.
 
Daredevel7 said:
So then, why need so much money? I mean the reason why people are pissed off in the first place is that we stopped giving them so much money.
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because they want plasma tv to watch Baywatch. :o
 
Jiro said:
democratic..... an adjective word that is pertaining to the form of democracy. It's same word, Jillio.
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The same root word, but different meanings depending upon it's usage. I can call a car orange, but it doesn't make it an orange.

I can say that a decision you made was democratic...it doesn't make your decision a democracy.
 
Jiro said:
yes - we failed Vietnam for example. We lose some, win many. It's not about how much we can fund it. We can provide them education and tool but it's entirely up to them on how they use it and how much further they want to go. Apparently - it's working so far for them by using the tools invented by Americans - facebook, twitters, youtube, and most importantly - the Western education.
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Western education invented by americans? If you had been exposured to a better and more proper education system than the american one, you would never lack the knowledge to claim such things :)

Pedagogy in system origins from Iran, and they know it very well.
 
Daredevel7 said:
So then, why need so much money? I mean the reason why people are pissed off in the first place is that we stopped giving them so much money.
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And yet, Obama is being criticized for funding to try to boost start the economy.

I see something wrong with this picture...

Obama spends money to help fund protestors... he gets applause.

Obama spends money to help Americans...he gets criticized.

I wonder if those who criticize him for cutting funding are those who have the need to intervere with other countries' policies and try to make them like America?
 
shel90 said:
And yet, Obama is being criticized for funding to try to boost start the economy.

I see something wrong with this picture...

Obama spends money to help fund protestors... he gets applause.

Obama spends money to help Americans...he gets criticized.

I wonder if those who criticize him for cutting funding are those who have the need to intervere with other countries' policies and try to make them like America?
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Excellent point.
 
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