Behind the veil: Inside Iran

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We're in Iran, and as we make our way, we're expecting what most Americans probably would expect. A place of rage----especially toward the West, which is increasingly concerned about Iran's nuclear ambitions; where freedom of expression is non-existent. But we soon discover there is another side to this Islamic Republic beyond those chants of death to America. There is an Iran unknown to most Americans. Young people singing for joy at a rally for a presidential candidate.

We are, you know, we are human, we are not terrorists!!

A woman--who used to be a man-- her sex change operation approved by the Iranian government. A place where there's a proactive government policy to prevent AIDS.

Dr. Minoo Mohraz: I like you too, if you listen to me, don't worry, okay?

Where a Muslim cleric kisses a Jewish leader in friendship. And where women have more options than you might think. Now, a journey into a country of contradictions, at a significant moment in world history. In Iran, voices of a new generation are beginning to be heard.

Everyone answers to a religious cleric known as the supreme leader. But there is also an elected president who runs the day-to-day government. And later this week, voters here will go to the polls to choose their next president. And the fiery Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is facing a serious challenge. Could the results alter the course of U.S.-Iranian relations?

President Obama: I would like to speak clearly to Iran 's leaders.

At a time when the U.S. itself is showing signs of changing course.

President Obama: This process will not be advanced by threats. We seek instead engagement that is honest and grounded in mutual respect.

But realistically, is mutual respect even possible between the United States and Iran?

Hooman Majd: The true Iran is probably very much like America.

Hooman Majd understands both cultures better than most. The son of an Iranian diplomat, he grew up in the West, becoming a New York-based writer. He's written a book describing the many paradoxes of modern-day Iran.

Iran's reformist leader former President Mohammad Khatami talks to NBC's Ann Curry before his nation's election about what might change if the reformist movement had won.

Hooman Majd: Most people have the same desires, the same needs as most Americans do. There's a very big difference in the religion. But in reality what goes on in people's homes, what people think, what people do, you know, aspire to, is very similar um to what Americans desire and aspire to.

Then why all the tension? To understand, consider Iran's history rich history dating back more than two thousand years when it was called the Persian Empire. A civilization that came up with the first human rights doctrine and many other innovations...

Dateline NBC’s Ann Curry: Iran is the source of Polo?

Hooman Majd: The very town we're sitting in right now. Yes.

Ann Curry: What else?

Hooman Majd: Backgammon, chess-- certain mathematical theories, astronomy-- all that goes back centuries and centuries, thousands of years. So, Iranians are very, very proud of all that. Yes.

The trouble between Iran and the United States started in the 1950s. After centuries of rule by monarchs known as the shahs, Iran was moving toward democracy. But the U.S.'S CIA helped get rid of Iran's democratically elected leader in favor of the Shah, who became known for repressing his people. They revolted in 1979. A cleric - Ayatollah Khomeini - returned to Iran from exile to lead the Islamic revolution. The U.S. gave the Shah refuge.

In retribution, a group of Iranian students seized the U.S. Embassy in Iran's capital, Tehran, and held more than 50 Americans hostage for 444 days. That set the tone for U.S.-Iranian relations for the next thirty years. Worsening the tensions --the U.S. supported Iraq in its war against Iran in the 1980s-- when hundreds of thousands of Iranians were killed, some with chemical weapons.

Hooman Majd: They resent that greatly that the United States took the side of a brutal dictator like Saddam Hussein, who had invaded their country illegally.

Even today you can see the depth of emotion at this cemetery, where tens of thousands of Iran's soldiers are buried. And in the way people line up to kiss a well-renown hero from that war.

Hooman Majd: Most families have-- all families have somebody who served-- my-- my own family included. They witnessed a horrific, horrific war.

Mistrust runs deep on both sides, with the U.S. pointing to Iran's poor record on human rights--and its support for terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas.

President Bush, 2002 State Of The Union: States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.

Relations worsened further after the election of president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, known for his anti-U.S. and anti-Israel diatribes--and for his repeated questioning of the Holocaust. But seeds of change may now be taking root in Iran.

Man: I have no freedom, no freedom of speech. And so I'm trying-- I'm trying to change my destiny by voting.

Of the seventy million people in Iran, two thirds of them are under the age of 30. Many are wary of talking openly - but we'll meet some who are willing to tell a stranger about the change they want.

Ann Curry: What kind of freedom do you want?

This documentary article has 6 pages long and it's an interesting read.

You know, Since there's the protest of disputed vote of the election that recently occurred in Iran; That alone sparked a lot of other reasons for citizens of Iran to protest for human rights, censorship and most of all, freedom.

It is clear that there is a heavy oppression over there in Iran for most.
 
This documentary article has 6 pages long and it's an interesting read.

You know, Since there's the protest of disputed vote of the election that recently occurred in Iran; That alone sparked a lot of other reasons for citizens of Iran to protest for human rights, censorship and most of all, freedom.

It is clear that there is a heavy oppression over there in Iran for most.

It seems very clear, and the latest election shows how much corruption.
 
This documentary article has 6 pages long and it's an interesting read.

You know, Since there's the protest of disputed vote of the election that recently occurred in Iran; That alone sparked a lot of other reasons for citizens of Iran to protest for human rights, censorship and most of all, freedom.

It is clear that there is a heavy oppression over there in Iran for most.

Yes, it´s very interesting to read the whole 6 pages.

I posted the same link what you posted here last week and recommend ADers to read "Inside Iran".

AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Ahmadinejad Wins Iranian Vote
 
It seems very clear, and the latest election shows how much corruption.

Indeed, there's a lot of corruption going on.

I wonder how long will this liberation go on and how much more violence of this will continue?
 
Indeed, there's a lot of corruption going on.

I wonder how long will this liberation go on and how much more violence of this will continue?

if past's any of reference - it will continue until Ahmadinejad resigns.
 
Yes, it´s very interesting to read the whole 6 pages.

I posted the same link what you posted here last week and recommend ADers to read "Inside Iran".

AllDeaf.com - View Single Post - Ahmadinejad Wins Iranian Vote

Oops, My bad. I didn't realize you had posted the same link in another thread. :)

I had thought about this because it was not only the disputed election (which was related to other thread) that occurred but also because of the fight for their human rights that stems to different matters. :)
 
Oops, My bad. I didn't realize you had posted the same link in another thread. :)

I had thought about this because it was not only the disputed election (which was related to other thread) that occurred but also because of the fight for their human rights that stems to different matters. :)

No problem. :)

Yes, they fight for their freedom like our freedom and others are happy with their "freedom" which is different as our freedom that´s why I posted that link to show what Iran´s culture, background, law, etc.

I respect Iranians for what they beleive in.

 
No problem. :)

Yes, they fight for their freedom like our freedom and others are happy with their "freedom" which is different as our freedom that´s why I posted that link to show what Iran´s culture, background, law, etc.

I respect Iranians for what they beleive in.

Because of what they believe in, we helped them because our type of freedom and democracy are similar. :)

Did you know many Iranians live in America? My good college friend is an Iranian. They moved to America because they hated their government. It's evil. Sometimes I joke that the government sent him to my college to learn engineering to make weapon and he mocked me too that North Korea sent me too. :lol:
 
No problem. :)

Yes, they fight for their freedom like our freedom and others are happy with their "freedom" which is different as our freedom that´s why I posted that link to show what Iran´s culture, background, law, etc.

I respect Iranians for what they beleive in.


What's define for freedom?

Iran don't have much term of freedom, don't matters if difference or not.
 
What's define for freedom?

Iran don't have much term of freedom, don't matters if difference or not.

You're right - These people in Iran does not have much of a freedom but that is why they are fighting for it now in order to retain the democracy and also for their human rights.

But, I have to ask you this - What do you mean it doesn't matter if there is a difference of having a freedom or not? Can you clarify this? :)
 
Because of what they believe in, we helped them because our type of freedom and democracy are similar. :)

No, they do not need your help because they know what form of freedom they had before 1979. :)

Did you know that Iranians once had a democracy until the US took it away in 1950s?


Did you know many Iranians live in America? My good college friend is an Iranian. They moved to America because they hated their government. It's evil. Sometimes I joke that the government sent him to my college to learn engineering to make weapon and he mocked me too that North Korea sent me too. :lol:

Actually, we have Iranians here in Germany, too. They choose to move out to Western countries for their freedom over Iran.
 
What's define for freedom?

Iran don't have much term of freedom, don't matters if difference or not.

Yes, I give you right that´s why I use comma "freedom" which mean is they prefer their freedom over our freedom which I don´t see it. All what I do is respect them if they beleive in their freedom is better than our freedom.

They beleive in their freedom is better... Example of all, they (many Muslim people from Islam countries) support Sharia law.

Dated July 2008

Many Turks, Iranians, Egyptians Link Sharia and Justice
Egyptians most likely to make positive associations with Sharia


Many Turks, Iranians, Egyptians Link Sharia and Justice


Iranians, Egyptians, Turks: Contrasting Views on Sharia



I do not agree with Sharia law and find Sharia law horrible and no freedom but for them, not. ...You know that there´re different form of freedom in different countries what they beleive in differently as us.

I hope I explain better about the form of freedom .
 
No, they do not need your help because they know what form of freedom they had before 1979. :)
Did you know that "form of freedom" was created by Iranian "pro-American" government?

Did you know that Iranians once had a democracy until the US took it away in 1950s?
source please?

Actually, we have Iranians here in Germany, too. They choose to move out to Western countries for their freedom over Iran.
there you go.
 
Did you know that "form of freedom" was created by Iranian "pro-American" government?

Re-read my response post to Foxrac.


source please?

:confused: I thought you know Iran history don´t you? You told me few days ago that you know Iran history... :scratch:



there you go.

You do not need to tell me because I know for a long time. I explained my post twice about form of freedom at my post# 8.

I am trying to explain more clear. Each person is different and beleive in freedom differently. Example of all, we beleive our freedom is better than other countries but they beleive their freedom is better than us and consider our freedom bad, evil or whatever... Each person see differently. That´s an exact why Iranians like our freedom better than their country and move out... and other Iranians like their freedom better than ours... See the 2 links, I posted yesterday.

 

Re-read my response post to Foxrac.




:confused: I thought you know Iran history don´t you? You told me few days ago that you know Iran history... :scratch:





You do not need to tell me because I know for a long time. I explained my post twice about form of freedom at my post# 8.

I am trying to explain more clear. Each person is different and beleive in freedom differently. Example of all, we beleive our freedom is better than other countries but they beleive their freedom is better than us and consider our freedom bad, evil or whatever... Each person see differently. That´s an exact why Iranians like our freedom better than their country and move out... and other Iranians like their freedom better than ours... See the 2 links, I posted yesterday.


I understand exactly what you are saying, Liebling. The definition of freedom is not the same for an American and an Iranian. It is based on cultural relativism.
 
I understand exactly what you are saying, Liebling. The definition of freedom is not the same for an American and an Iranian. It is based on cultural relativism.

Exactly, what I am trying to say...

Yes, you said it better due difference cultural background and mentality.

Yes, American´s freedom is not same as an Iranian.
 
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