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[Maria]

oooo ok! I didn't even notice the correlation between OP's video and your statement. It's interesting to hear about your reaction from the video because my reaction to it is completely different. Let me try my best to dispel the fear from you


You misunderstood the concept of computational capabilities. It's merely talking about # of calculations it can perform at once.... not "thought" process. It doesn't mean it's smarter than humans.... just that it's able to compute faster than humans. It still needs to be programmed by humans. the "intelligence" of computers depends on the program created by humans. If the program is dumb, then computer is dumb. simple as that. In computer - intelligence is created, not learned or born. In human - intelligence is born/learned and growing - something that computer cannot do. Yes there's "Artificial Intelligence" but it has HUGE limitation and it doesn't function exactly like human brain. It is true that computer will exceed the human's computational capability eventually but it's still dumb. Just because computer's faster doesn't mean it's smarter. Speed and Cognition are 2 completely different things.

it's always our newborns learning newer technology and we old farts are too dumb to learn it It's called PROGRESSION. Our future generations are always more advanced than previous generation but when it comes to CORE part - they're all the same. We have same emotions, same DNA, and same patterns - we born, live, die. We are already in advanced technology and there are already bad hackers out there, stealing our identities and hacking into government computers. but we're still alive, right? at least the hacker didn't hack into some nuclear powerplant and cause a meltdown Of course people already expect that to happen which is why they're smarter than bad hackers and they built many safeguards to prevent that.

just remember - computer is a tool. we create computer as a tool to make our life easier. I see that you're worrying about many humans being controlled by computer because of some chips inside their skin but let me tell you this - many people were brain-washed and controlled by Hitler and it didn't even take a computer to do that. just a simple radio

Jiro, I understand what you were talkin' about. I have no problem understandin' you about the concept of computational capabilities. I wasn't misunderstood. Computers can increase the knowledge and of course, I understand what you mean about its human brain is not like the real human brains like ours. Humans can command the computers to do what humans wish it to do for them. I understand that part.

In the FUTURE, scientists can make the computers smarter. Ok, tell me Jiro -- why we have the phones so called " Smart Phone " ? What does that mean ? Does that mean it has a BETTER advanced technology IN it ? Please, explain that for me what YOU know -- and don't go to Google search to find the answers to my questions.

Of course, you are right about the computer can make life easier for people, but it is also have bad side as well. Both bad and good. Pro vs con.

You mentioned about Hitler -- I wasn't talkin' about Hitler. Yes, I know what you mean about Hitler that controlled/brain-washed people thru a simple radio or whatever. Hitler don't have EVERYTHIN' to KNOW people's history to know WHO the people really are. Computer can show up people's history or SSN or what ever by typin' out the names and such. It has everythin' than Hitler's. Hitler CAN'T violate people's privacy -- computer can. It knows everythin' about each person. It knows what a person buy. The information of what a person buy is already on the reciept by usin' a credit card. Hitler CAN'T check people's bank account statement to check where or what store people bought an items. Computer can show it all.

Are we goin' to have so called " Smartcomputer " in the near future ?

 

[purplecatty]

High advanced technoloy brings the future more faster. It brings more exceed knowledge than before. Supercomputers could control people all over the world.

This is a bull because Computers can't control people. All of us have our own independent mind and have common sense (I sure hope they do!!). Computer is just a machine programmed by humans and it is liable to have errors cause by human. We humans can trick computers cuz it doesn't have feelings. We can deprive, kill, corrupt Supercomputer with impunity.

Lot of people think that computers, robots, and any electronics device can control people in future. Basically what they say are just a scare tatic.

Remember every robots, electronics are created by humans and it's flawed even perfect machine do have flaws and weakness.

Many years ago, when I first came to new job as mail processor. Manager said that the machine will take over manual letter jobs and someday it would be fully automated without people around. 20 years later, today... could you guess what happened to their talk??

It's a joke!!

Machine have lots lots of problem and it mis-sort, mis-read, chews, damage or even spit object out of letters. This cause MORE work for manual clerk than ever before. Machine do not last long. Motors, bearings, belts, electronics, sensors and all the guts of machine can go wrong in any minutes. Electronic Technicians spent more time working on machines which are problematic and Company is paying lots of $$$$'s for replacement parts.

We humans are the most flexible, intelligent creature over machines. We make decisions, act, defends ect.. While machines with Artificial Intelligent (A.I) have it's limitation and can't do.

Remember, Japan created a robot called ASMIO, currently have mind of 7 years old. Programmers are trying to train ASMIO to reconize objects and colors. It's slow on progress. Robot can easily get fooled. Robots are pretty dumb in fact. You can kill robot easily by dumping water into it's circuit board and watch the fireworks coming out of it's body :rofl2:.

Those who are paranoid about future watched too much science fiction movies. Some religious group believe that it's gonna be the end of the human world NOT!!!

So sit back, relax and have a glass of lemonade and enjoy your time under sun.

Catty

 

[purplecatty]

The video is pretty interesting. We are still living in Information Age. Google are pretty educative and very helpful to find information quickly. Rather than going to library, it's a library within stroke of your fingers. People are getting smarter because of information they are getting from the computers.

Catty

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, I understand what you were talkin' about. I have no problem understandin' you about the concept of computational capabilities. I wasn't misunderstood. Computers can increase the knowledge and of course, I understand what you mean about its human brain is not like the real human brains like ours. Humans can command the computers to do what humans wish it to do for them. I understand that part.

In the FUTURE, scientists can make the computers smarter. Ok, tell me Jiro -- why we have the phones so called " Smart Phone " ? What does that mean ? Does that mean it has a BETTER advanced technology IN it ? Please, explain that for me what YOU know -- and don't go to Google search to find the answers to my questions.

I don't need to look it up. It can be called anything you want. People chose to call it "smart phone" just because it's a good advertising name for people to buy it. It used to be called PDA (Personal Digital Assistant). Call it "uber-intelligent phone" if you like

Of course, you are right about the computer can make life easier for people, but it is also have bad side as well. Both bad and good. Pro vs con.

You mentioned about Hitler -- I wasn't talkin' about Hitler. Yes, I know what you mean about Hitler that controlled/brain-washed people thru a simple radio or whatever. Hitler don't have EVERYTHIN' to KNOW people's history to know WHO the people really are. Computer can show up people's history or SSN or what ever by typin' out the names and such. It has everythin' than Hitler's. Hitler CAN'T violate people's privacy -- computer can. It knows everythin' about each person. It knows what a person buy. The information of what a person buy is already on the reciept by usin' a credit card. Hitler CAN'T check people's bank account statement to check where or what store people bought an items. Computer can show it all.

But Hitler did have access to everything. Remember Gestapo? They were incredibly effective.... and they didn't need computer. In old time - people recorded everything in papers. So now what's wrong with people recording everything in computer? If you don't want to be recorded - simply don't have a credit card, EZ pass, computer, telephone, or anything electronic. You can simply live like a Luddite

Are we goin' to have so called " Smartcomputer " in the near future ?

well you can call it anything you want. I'm not sure if "smartcomputer" will make a great marketing name

 

[Jiro]

Maria - have you heard of Isaac Asimov? There's 3 simple laws for robots -

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

 

[Maria]

ah I know what you're talking about. it's called RFID. it has a very very very simple function. All it does it store the information and you wave the RFID reader over the area and it will retrieve the information from RFID implanted in the skin. it cannot control anything. It's just like an EZ-Pass electronic tag. it's same thing.

Ok, I found it about Spain in the article. Let me copy and paste here along with the link. It's not RFID. It's VeriChip.

Technology gets under clubbers' skin
By Chetna Purohit
Wednesday, June 9, 2004 Posted: 1324 GMT (2124 HKT)


(CNN) -- Queuing to get into one nightclub in Spain could soon be a thing of the past for regular customers thanks to a tiny computer chip implanted under their skin.

The technology, known as a VeriChip, also means nightclubbers can leave their cash and cards at home and buy drinks using a scanner. The bill can then be paid later.

The system is also designed to curb identity theft and prevent fraudulent access to credit card accounts that is increasingly common in crowded restaurants and clubs.

Clubbers who want to join the scheme at Baja Beach Club in Barcelona pay 125 euros for the VeriChip -- about the size of a grain of rice -- to be implanted in their body.

Then when they pass through a scanner the chip is activated and it emits a signal containing the individual's number, which is then transmitted to a secure data storage site.

The club's director, Conrad Chase, said he began using the VeriChip, made by Applied Digital Solutions, in March 2004 because he needed something similar to a VIP card and wanted to provide his customers with better service.

"I believe we should use new technology to provide our customers with the best service and entertainment," Chase told CNN.

He said 10 of the club's regular customers, including himself, have been implanted with the chip, and predicted more would follow.

"I know many people who want to be implanted," said Chase. "Almost everybody now has a piercing, tattoos or silicone. Why not get the chip and be original?"

In the wake of the Madrid train bombings that killed 190 people in March, Chase said VeriChip could also boost security by speeding up checks at airports, for example.

He denied the scheme had any drawbacks. The VeriChip is an in-house debit card and contains no personal information. It is made of glass so poses no health risk, Chase said.

But Dr. Arun Patel, a general physician in Los Angeles, warned that placing an electronic device inside the body could be problematic.

"From a medical standpoint, obviously you worry about radiation with any electronic device," Patel said.

CNN.com - Technology gets under clubbers' skin - Jun 9, 2004

 

[Jiro]

Ok, I found it about Spain in the article. Let me copy and paste here along with the link. It's not RFID. It's VeriChip.

yes - that's the company's product name - VeriChip. the technology they're using is called RFID (Radio-Frequency Identification). See VeriChip's site.

link

VeriChip’s innovative RFID security solutions stem from a series of ground-breaking technologies including:

* The world’s first and only patented, FDA-cleared, human-implantable RFID microchip,
* The only patented active RFID tag with skin-sensing capabilities,
* The smallest active RFID tags with the longest battery life,
* Patented anti-collision technology providing unobstructed support for up to 16 million ID tags while improving battery life for the utmost in scale and reliability,

Leveraging these technology milestones, VeriChip is able to offer the most unique range of RFID security solutions for the identification, tracking, and protection of people, their assets, and their environments.

 

[Maria]

yes - that's the company's product name - VeriChip. the technology they're using is called RFID (Radio-Frequency Identification). See VeriChip's site.

link

 

[Jiro]

one more thing - we don't have to think about those scary supercomputer in the future because we'll be looonnngg dead. let our great-great-great-great-grandchildren worry about it

 

[Maria]

one more thing - we don't have to think about those scary supercomputer in the future because we'll be looonnngg dead. let our great-great-great-great-grandchildren worry about it

I am not exactly sure about that. FYI, I am NOT worried. I just like to debate and share what my thoughts are. Sometimes, some programs or movies on TV come true. I am not a fan of Sci-fi myself. I like to watch Lifetime, Discovery and sometimes rent/buy DVD movies to entertain myself.

 

[Mistyrose]

Well, Mistyrose -- don't forget that it already been invented and they did insert it under animals' skin. If, animal is lost or somethin', they will trace them through computer to find them while they have that thing under the animals' skin.

People will be next. It already happens in Spain I THINK -- I will check it at website myself to find it. I don't remember what part in Spain when I read about it at that time. I don't want to jump on that part until I find the article to be sure that I am correct. IF, find it then I will post it here. Ok ?

Yeah, i know about the dogs and cats that the Vets implant the chips
in them for id purposes if they get lost..old news.
What im talking about is that these deafies are talking about is that
in the future, the people will be implanted with chips in their hands
for id purposes and to purchuse items in stores cuz we will not have
money (?) and they can be kept tracked by the Government by super
computer!! pretty wild thinking by these deaf religious fanatics!! :roll:
Pretty silly, really. Its just not feasible.

 

[Maria]

Yeah, i know about the dogs and cats that the Vets implant the chips
in them for id purposes if they get lost..old news.
What im talking about is that these deafies are talking about is that
in the future, the people will be implanted with chips in their hands
for id purposes and to purchuse items in stores cuz we will not have
money (?) and they can be kept tracked by the Government by super
computer!! pretty wild thinking by these deaf religious fanatics!! :roll:
Pretty silly, really. Its just not feasible.

Okay, let me explain it a little bit what will happen:

1) Some religious people believe that when non-religious people have their microchip device under their skin, they will be able to buy or sell things. Their microchip device will subtract/add their bank account through satelitte/computer from where/what they buy or sell. That microchip device is alot more cheaper and less crime. People can't fool microchip device or to attempt to steal people's items/property. For security reason.

2) For those people who are religious who refused to accept this microchip device under their skin will NOT be able to buy or sell things. They will suffer by starvation/have no place to live and so forth. They will be put in jail for refusin' to obey/follow the law. Their reason: They refused to sell their souls for microchip device. That microchip device can be traced through satelitte/computer. That's all, Mistyrose. It can happen in the future. I am not sayin' that it will happen NOW. It takes the time to change.

It's okay for some people not to believe it will happen. It's people's choices.

 

[Jiro]

Okay, let me explain it a little bit what will happen:

1) Some religious people believe that when non-religious people have their microchip device under their skin, they will be able to buy or sell things. Their microchip device will subtract/add their bank account through satelitte/computer from where/what they buy or sell. That microchip device is alot more cheaper and less crime. People can't fool microchip device or to attempt to steal people's items/property. For security reason.

2) For those people who are religious who refused to accept this microchip device under their skin will NOT be able to buy or sell things. They will suffer by starvation/have no place to live and so forth. They will be put in jail for refusin' to obey/follow the law. Their reason: They refused to sell their souls for microchip device. That microchip device can be traced through satelitte/computer. That's all, Mistyrose. It can happen in the future. I am not sayin' that it will happen NOW. It takes the time to change.

It's okay for some people not to believe it will happen. It's people's choices.

whoa.... that is a rather extreme Ludditism. To be honest - it's very misguided. I don't understand what's the problem with microchip especially for religious people. What about credit card? What about remote control key? what about computers? How are they any different with microchips?

 

[Mistyrose]

whoa.... that is a rather extreme Ludditism. To be honest - it's very misguided. I don't understand what's the problem with microchip especially for religious people. What about credit card? What about remote control key? what about computers? How are they any different with microchips?

Thats exactly what im questioning...geeez.

 

[Mistyrose]

Okay, let me explain it a little bit what will happen:

1) Some religious people believe that when non-religious people have their microchip device under their skin, they will be able to buy or sell things. Their microchip device will subtract/add their bank account through satelitte/computer from where/what they buy or sell. That microchip device is alot more cheaper and less crime. People can't fool microchip device or to attempt to steal people's items/property. For security reason.

2) For those people who are religious who refused to accept this microchip device under their skin will NOT be able to buy or sell things. They will suffer by starvation/have no place to live and so forth. They will be put in jail for refusin' to obey/follow the law. Their reason: They refused to sell their souls for microchip device. That microchip device can be traced through satelitte/computer. That's all, Mistyrose. It can happen in the future. I am not sayin' that it will happen NOW. It takes the time to change.

It's okay for some people not to believe it will happen. It's people's choices.

Maria..thats ludricious! its not going to happen! Dont think we are going
to get chips implanted in our hands..thats what these religious fanatics
think is going to happen to us in the future, they are so scared that
the Government going to do that. It is a bunch of baloney.

 

[Maria]

whoa.... that is a rather extreme Ludditism. To be honest - it's very misguided. I don't understand what's the problem with microchip especially for religious people. What about credit card? What about remote control key? what about computers? How are they any different with microchips?

What do you mean ?

 

[Calvin]

Mod Note:

This is swaying into religious discussion, that is no-no... let me remind you guys to refrain from doing that.

 

[Jiro]

Mod Note:

This is swaying into religious discussion, that is no-no... let me remind you guys to refrain from doing that.

this is not a religious discussion per se..... There's no talk of God or any such. We're talking about the certain group of people who believed microchip implant is a violation of their soul. It's same as saying "Asian people viewed microchip implant as a rape to their body."

 

[Maria]

this is not a religious discussion per se..... There's no talk of God or any such. We're talking about the certain group of people who believed microchip implant is a violation of their soul. It's same as saying "Asian people viewed microchip implant as a rape to their body."

Yep, that's what we are discussin' about the certain group of people. There's no God in our discussion.

 

[Jiro]

What do you mean ?

I'm just saying that right now - we're using credit card, cochlear implant, EZ-Pass, digital watch, computer, tv, passport, etc. etc.... They're all traceable and "monitored." It's same concept as microchip implant. Do religious people that you're talking about avoid using that too?

BTW - Luddite is the term for people who do not like technology - regardless of their reason and religious/political/etc. affliction.