Rush Limbaugh calls on conservatives to take back nation

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ASLGAL said:
As the lone conservative I felt that way, especially with regard to the comment by Tousi indicating that I would start waffling and become hypocritical.


As far as your cousin's situation, you remember what I do for a living, I see this happen more than I care to say. It is especially sad to watch a vivacious young person with so much promise waste away before your eyes.
Meth is a vicious drug.
I have seen people who had taken themselves to the brink get the help they need and want and come out stronger. I hope your cousin reaches or has reached that point and gets her life back on track.
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If I was ganging up on you, I would have quoted u. I was just asking an hypothetical question because I was recalling my experience with those conservatives who belittled my cousin and others all because they got addicted to drugs. That was all to it..I dont know about Tousi's intention.

I am sorry but I dont remember what u do for a living.

My cousin has been sober for 10 years now but she is struggling to support herself and her daughter due to the crappy economy and we just hope she doesnt relapse. If she does, then of course, the family will do what we can to help her like we did 10 or so years ago. I just didnt appreciate the comments from those conservatives telling me that it was because of liberals that people like her are allowed to live in society. I couldnt believe they had the gall to say something like that.
 
jillio said:
Rush is not a hard core drug user?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

He bought drugs illicitly. He used drugs illicitly. He tried to hide his drug use. He has been to rehab 3 times. Oxycodone is an opiate, the same as heroin. The man was physically dependent and psychologically addicted.

Sounds like a hard core addict to me.
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Yep. That's how he ended up losing his hearing.
 
Reba said:
I'm not a supporter of drug abuse whether it's on the street or in a penthouse. I do believe people can be redeemed from drug addiction if they "come clean" not just physically but morally. No excuses. If they truly turn their lives around, they can go forward. But I wouldn't put a former drug addict of any kind in any leadership position until he or she has proven a full repentance of the past life over a period of time. That's not punishment but wisdom.

If Rush has met that criteria, more power to him. If he hasn't, then I can't endorse him.

I would prefer to hear a conservative statesmen as speaker, not someone who has "star" appeal. Alas!

Again, that's my opinion, not law. :)
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Reba said:
I'm not a supporter of drug abuse whether it's on the street or in a penthouse. I do believe people can be redeemed from drug addiction if they "come clean" not just physically but morally. No excuses. If they truly turn their lives around, they can go forward. But I wouldn't put a former drug addict of any kind in any leadership position until he or she has proven a full repentance of the past life over a period of time. That's not punishment but wisdom.

If Rush has met that criteria, more power to him. If he hasn't, then I can't endorse him.

I would prefer to hear a conservative statesmen as speaker, not someone who has "star" appeal. Alas!

Again, that's my opinion, not law. :)
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I respect your opinion, Reba, but one thing to be kept in mind is that addiction is recognized as a disease by the medical community. Repent a disease? I do not think so. You can make amends for your ACTIONS while on drugs, and all references to the Higher Power in the 12-Step Program are not religious.
 
Just to refute your previous statement.
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how did that refute my statement? It did not. Using that line to say Limbaugh is the spokesman for the Conservative is ridiculous.

I believe Tousi intended to be on the conservative side. (just to enlighten you)

Tousi! Now that she hates you too, will you come over to the Dark Side??
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I hate no one Bott :)

Even though you only speak for yourself, it's a good rebuttal to ASLGal rabid defense of Limbaugh
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That is hillarious, rabid response :rofl: and you speak of me being hateful :)

Exactly. It is that dichotomous thinking they represent...until of course, the time comes to apply their recommendations to themselves.
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Which textbook you pull that out of jillio. I hear you are working on a degree. Kudos!! What are you majoring in?

I am sorry but I dont remember what u do for a living.

My cousin has been sober for 10 years now but she is struggling to support herself and her daughter due to the crappy economy and we just hope she doesnt relapse. If she does, then of course, the family will do what we can to help her like we did 10 or so years ago. I just didnt appreciate the comments from those conservatives telling me that it was because of liberals that people like her are allowed to live in society. I couldnt believe they had the gall to say something like that.
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Police Officer. I see the very worst people can do to themselves and eachother.
10 years, wow! Good for her and struggling economy or not she just has to take it one day at a time always and count on her support system.
I understand, but please don't paint all conservatives with the same brush, we are as diverse as we are similar.

I would prefer to hear a conservative statesmen as speaker, not someone who has "star" appeal. Alas!
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Agreed, that is a problem with BO too.
 
drugs caused hearing loss????
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yes, sadly a lot of the quick fix pills and concoctions that doctors perscribe can cause more problems than what they are trying to cure or treat, physically and/or psychologically.
 
Beowulf said:
I respect your opinion, Reba, but one thing to be kept in mind is that addiction is recognized as a disease by the medical community. Repent a disease? I do not think so. You can make amends for your ACTIONS while on drugs, and all references to the Higher Power in the 12-Step Program are not religious.
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My opinion (I'm not a doctor, and I don't even play one on TV):
A person can have addictive tendencies meaning that it's easier for his or her body to develop chemical tolerances and dependence but there is no disease that forces one to start drinking alcohol, popping pills, or shooting up.

To repent (non-religious) means:

1. recognize and admit that one has a serious problem

2. feel sorrow and regret over one's actions related to that problem

3. quit that behavior

4. take on positive corrective behaviors in a new direction


I would love to post the Christian specifics but of course that is not allowed. :)

In general though, it still means, to turn away from wrong action and turn towards right action. A drug addict needs to make a full about face, not just little modifications in life.

My brother (totally not a Christian) and I know that our dad was alcoholic, and that it's possible that a tendency to addiction could be genetic. So we abstain from alcohol. If we don't take those few "social" drinks then we don't become addicted to alcohol. (Just a small example.)

If someone who is addicted to chemicals sees it only as a "disease", then he or she will never be free of that addiction because "it's not my fault" and can't be escaped.

Again, my opinion.
 
Reba said:
If someone who is addicted to chemicals sees it only as a "disease", then he or she will never be free of that addiction because "it's not my fault" and can't be escaped.
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Well said, Reba. :)
 
DURAY said:
drugs caused hearing loss????
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Yes, they do. That's how I lost my hearing (i.e. ototoxic drugs given to me while in the neonatal ICU as well as antibiotics given to me for ear infections during infancy, childhood and my teens).
 
Beowulf said:
I respect your opinion, Reba, but one thing to be kept in mind is that addiction is recognized as a disease by the medical community. Repent a disease? I do not think so. You can make amends for your ACTIONS while on drugs, and all references to the Higher Power in the 12-Step Program are not religious.
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Overdosing on drugs is a choice one makes -- not a disease.
 
Beowulf said:
I respect your opinion, Reba, but one thing to be kept in mind is that addiction is recognized as a disease by the medical community. Repent a disease? I do not think so. You can make amends for your ACTIONS while on drugs, and all references to the Higher Power in the 12-Step Program are not religious.
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Great observation.
 
Beowulf said:
You can make amends for your ACTIONS while on drugs, and all references to the Higher Power in the 12-Step Program are not religious.
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What else do you call them? Non-demoninational?

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

etc. etc.
 
Reba said:
My opinion (I'm not a doctor, and I don't even play one on TV):
A person can have addictive tendencies meaning that it's easier for his or her body to develop chemical tolerances and dependence but there is no disease that forces one to start drinking alcohol, popping pills, or shooting up.

To repent (non-religious) means:

1. recognize and admit that one has a serious problem

2. feel sorrow and regret over one's actions related to that problem

3. quit that behavior

4. take on positive corrective behaviors in a new direction


I would love to post the Christian specifics but of course that is not allowed. :)

In general though, it still means, to turn away from wrong action and turn towards right action. A drug addict needs to make a full about face, not just little modifications in life.

My brother (totally not a Christian) and I know that our dad was alcoholic, and that it's possible that a tendency to addiction could be genetic. So we abstain from alcohol. If we don't take those few "social" drinks then we don't become addicted to alcohol. (Just a small example.)

If someone who is addicted to chemicals sees it only as a "disease", then he or she will never be free of that addiction because "it's not my fault" and can't be escaped.

Again, my opinion.
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You will not become physically dependent upon a substance if you do not ingest it. However, that does not mean that you will not engage in many of the same behaviors and thought processes that are indicative of an addictive personality type, or have being raised in an addiction prone environment. Addiction is extremely complicated, and there is a difference between being physical dependance and the behaviors and thought processes of an addictive personality.

Addiction as a disease in no way frees one from the responsibility of doing what is necessary to manage and control that disease.
 
ASLGAL said:
how did that refute my statement? It did not. Using that line to say Limbaugh is the spokesman for the Conservative is ridiculous.




I hate no one Bott :)


That is hillarious, rabid response :rofl: and you speak of me being hateful :)


Which textbook you pull that out of jillio. I hear you are working on a degree. Kudos!! What are you majoring in?


Police Officer. I see the very worst people can do to themselves and eachother.
10 years, wow! Good for her and struggling economy or not she just has to take it one day at a time always and count on her support system.
I understand, but please don't paint all conservatives with the same brush, we are as diverse as we are similar.


Agreed, that is a problem with BO too.
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The fact that you are attempting to defend your position through personal attacks is evidence of a lack of substantial support. I am not working on a degree...I have successfully completed 3 degrees.
 
Hear Again said:
What else do you call them? Non-demoninational?

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

etc. etc.
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12 step programs are founded on a concept of spirituality, not of religious doctrine. It is stressed in all 12 step programs that the concept of God is one that is specific to the individual. Higher Power is the term most often used, and persons participating in 12 step recovery programs are consistently told that their concept of a Higher Power can be anything they choose it to be.

Addiction is, in effect, a desperate attempt to maintain control over that which the individual is unable to control. The idea behind relinguishing that control to the concept of a Higher Power is intended to break through the powerful denial that every addict has...that they can control their disease on their own.

While 12 step programs have been shown to be effective in maintaining recovery, they are not, by any means, the only way to achieve recovery. They are simply support groups that are effective in allowing an individual to maintain abstinence, not a means toward facillitating the change necessary to enter into recovery.
 
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