Is society more tolerant with teenage boys than teenage girls??

SFShawn13 said:
Well, the fact that there are numerous cultures with many genders and different roles is one. Are you looking for books specifically? Sexing the Body by Anne Fausto Sterling is one, The Male Body by Susan Bordo, Gender Outlaw by Kate Bornstein, and men, women and society, 5th edition by renzetti and curran.
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No, I mean peer-reviewed studies that support the "gender is a social construct" hypothesis.
 
darkdog said:
No, I mean peer-reviewed studies that support the "gender is a social construct" hypothesis.
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Firstly, it is not a hypothesis. It is a well substantiated and accepted theory. If it were a hypothesis, it would not be included as theory in numrous sociology, psychology, and anthropology texts. Peer reviewed research preceeds publication in a text.

But if you are looking for peer reviewed research, I would point you toward any of the professional journals devoted to developmental psychology, social psychology, gender psychology, sociology, and anthropology.
 
SFShawn13 said:
Also, sheltering girls and whatnot is obviously not stopping rape.
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Well it stopped me getting raped, at least whilst I lived at home. The only problem was that they can't possibly keep it up forever. Their comes a time when I go away to college and get raped there.
 
But it does not stop the roots of what causes rape.

And your last sentence reflects something truly evil about our society.
 
I mean that at one time, it had to be a hypothesis. I'm looking for the original papers that helped confirm the hypothesis and make it a theory, not just a book that summarizes or references them.
 
darkdog said:
I mean that at one time, it had to be a hypothesis. I'm looking for the original papers that helped confirm the hypothesis and make it a theory, not just a book that summarizes or references them.
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Yeah man, I know there were some I picked up in class but I think I probably trashed them with a bunch of junk I was getting rid of, just took a peek around some of my older college crap.

A lot of these hypothesis & research stuff were on my university journals, or shared from other publications that allowed us access to view them.

I remember this one, for example, it was hard to miss.
Treating Women as Sexual Objects: Look to the (Gender Schematic) Male Who has Viewed Pornography -- McKenzie-Mohr and Zanna 16 (2): 296 -- Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin

Is this the kind of stuff you're looking for?

Gonna see if I can still gain access to that..
 
SFShawn13 said:
But it does not stop the roots of what causes rape.

And your last sentence reflects something truly evil about our society.
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Exactly! I am impressed with your ability to see beyond the act to the societal reasons the act has become prevalent. I wish more had your ability to think critically when it comes to topics like this.
 
darkdog said:
I mean that at one time, it had to be a hypothesis. I'm looking for the original papers that helped confirm the hypothesis and make it a theory, not just a book that summarizes or references them.
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Any book that summarizes or references them will include, in the back of the book, the numerous sources of research utilized. All one has to do is look, and then access any of the citations one wishes to read further. The same for any peer reviewed research article.
 
naisho said:
I remember this one, for example, it was hard to miss.
Treating Women as Sexual Objects: Look to the (Gender Schematic) Male Who has Viewed Pornography -- McKenzie-Mohr and Zanna 16 (2): 296 -- Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin

Is this the kind of stuff you're looking for?
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Yeah, that's the kind of paper I'm looking for, although that's not quite the topic I had in mind.

SFShawn13 said:
Cultures such as the native americans had a third gender.

So...it's pretty obvious.
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Let me be sure I understand so I'm not making any wrong assumptions. When you say, "gender is a social construct," do you mean there are no innate gender differences and it's all forced by society? Or just that some gender differences are forced by society (i.e. girls with long hair and boys with short hair) while others are innate (i.e. girls prefer to play with Barby and boys prefer to play with GI Joe)?

jillio said:
Any book that summarizes or references them will include, in the back of the book, the numerous sources of research utilized. All one has to do is look, and then access any of the citations one wishes to read further. The same for any peer reviewed research article.
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I could look it up myself, but I sometimes prefer to ask people actually studying the topic- it can be quicker and more interesting. But if I can't find anyone that wants to or can help, that's cool.
 
You are in big time luck darkdog.

I still have access to my university connections with periodical articles, despite being an alum already. I just connected to my library, managed to snag a few off thru the Periodicals Archives Online ( Information Site - Periodicals Archive Online ) which you won't be able to gain access unless you're under a recognized tunnel through a school university that has a subscription with these guys, or unless you pay or something. These are all credible resources, we had to use stuff like this back in college, we couldn't use the normal crap you could google up on the internet and paste disputing the argument.

Anyways, here's what I dug off. If you want any specific terms let me know. When I checked, there was about like ~200-400 topics to choose from, various. They're in Adobe PDF format. Please lemme know when you download these PDF's also, I don't want to be caught on google online distributing this and finding some lawsuit email later.
This goes for anyone else reading this as well, please don't hotlink and I will be deleting these later. I am not sure if I am in any legal binds when I am posting this, so I am taking a risk at the expense of educating you.

Edit: the reason why I am making these journals public is for anyone else who wishes to view or refute the documentation provided in them, in light of this topic. I want to keep this documentation restricted to AD only, and have no way of certifying that other than your word.

Title: Children's Appraisals of Sex-Typed Behavior in Their Peers
Author: Zucker, Kenneth J.
Co-authors: Wilson-Smith, Debra N.
Kurita, Janice A.
Stern, Anita
Journal: Sex Roles
Number of Pages: 24
Link HERE

Title: Stereotypes About Children with Traditional and Nontraditional Gender Roles
Author: Martin, Carol Lynn
Journal: Sex Roles
Number of Pages: 26
Page: p.727
Link HERE

Title: Adult Sex Typing of Children's Toys (Probably the one you are mainly interested in, has barbies etc)
Author: Fisher-Thompson, Donna
Article ID: v531-1990-023-05-000007
Journal: Sex Roles Go to Journal Record
Issue: 23:5/6 (1990:Sept.) p.291 Go to Journal Issue
Journal Subjects: Social Sciences (General) / Women's Studies
Number of Pages: 13
Link HERE


Title: Gender-Related Personality Traits and Ego Development: Differential Patterns for Men and Women
Author: Bursik, Krisanne
Journal: Sex Roles
Number of Pages: 15
Page: p.601
Link HERE


Title: Gender Differences in Attributions About Microcomputer Learning in Elementary School
Author: Amico, Miranda D'
Co-authors: Baron, Lois J.
Sissons, Mary Elizabeth
Journal: Sex Roles
Number of Pages: 33
Link HERE


Title: Gendered Accounts: Undergraduates Explain Why They Seek Their Bachelor's Degrees
Author: Bank, Barbara J.
Journal: Sex Roles
Number of Pages: 18
Page: p.527
Link HERE


Title: Influence Tactics and Salary Attainment: A Gender-Specific Analysis
Author: Dreher, George F.
Co-authors: Dougherty, Thomas W.
Whitely, William
Article ID: v531-1989-020-09-000005
Journal: Sex Roles Go to Journal Record
Issue: 20:9/10 (1989:May) p.535 Go to Journal Issue
Journal Subjects: Social Sciences (General) / Women's Studies
Number of Pages: 16
Link HERE
 
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darkdog said:
Yeah, that's the kind of paper I'm looking for, although that's not quite the topic I had in mind.


Let me be sure I understand so I'm not making any wrong assumptions. When you say, "gender is a social construct," do you mean there are no innate gender differences and it's all forced by society? Or just that some gender differences are forced by society (i.e. girls with long hair and boys with short hair) while others are innate (i.e. girls prefer to play with Barby and boys prefer to play with GI Joe)?


I could look it up myself, but I sometimes prefer to ask people actually studying the topic- it can be quicker and more interesting. But if I can't find anyone that wants to or can help, that's cool.
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It would appear that you are confusing the terms "gender" and "sex". Gender is a socially constructed role that varies from culture to culture. Sex is a biological designation. Innate differences are found in sex, not gender. Gender differences are socially constructed.
 
naisho said:
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Wow, thanks naisho! I'll keep it confined to just this thread, but if you're worried about getting in trouble, you can go ahead and take the links down. I'm content to just have the titles, authors, journal names, etc. and I can look them up by my own means.

jillio said:
It would appear that you are confusing the terms "gender" and "sex". Gender is a socially constructed role that varies from culture to culture. Sex is a biological designation. Innate differences are found in sex, not gender. Gender differences are socially constructed.
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Thanks for clarifying the terminology. Then I'm wondering what differences are due to gender and what differences are due to sex.
 
darkdog said:
Wow, thanks naisho! I'll keep it confined to just this thread, but if you're worried about getting in trouble, you can go ahead and take the links down. I'm content to just have the titles, authors, journal names, etc. and I can look them up by my own means.


Thanks for clarifying the terminology. Then I'm wondering what differences are due to gender and what differences are due to sex.
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Difference due to gender roles are those that are considered to be socially created by culture. Differences that are due to sex are biological.
 
jillio said:
Exactly! I am impressed with your ability to see beyond the act to the societal reasons the act has become prevalent. I wish more had your ability to think critically when it comes to topics like this.
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*Blushes* thanks! :D
 
darkdog said:
Yeah, that's the kind of paper I'm looking for, although that's not quite the topic I had in mind.


Let me be sure I understand so I'm not making any wrong assumptions. When you say, "gender is a social construct," do you mean there are no innate gender differences and it's all forced by society? Or just that some gender differences are forced by society (i.e. girls with long hair and boys with short hair) while others are innate (i.e. girls prefer to play with Barby and boys prefer to play with GI Joe)?


I could look it up myself, but I sometimes prefer to ask people actually studying the topic- it can be quicker and more interesting. But if I can't find anyone that wants to or can help, that's cool.
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I am saying that gender is a social construct. For example, that boys should like the color blue and girls should like pink because it is "inborn." When really, that is totally cultural.

When it comes to male and female behavior, it all comes down to nature and nurture. For me the question is not "is it nature? is it nurture?" Because it IS both. The question should be "How MUCH of nature and how MUCH of nurture" determines human behavior.

Sex is not a social construct, but you could argue that it is. For example intersex individuals are often operated on as infants to be "male" or "female." This is scary because the correct sex is not always chosen, and not all intersex people want to be operated on. But that is a whooole other topic. hehe.
 
No worries, I am leaving the articles on my webserver for the time being. Don't forget you can save them to your computer.
 
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