Obama will change

[Jiro]

Hubby and I are stocking up on ammo before the price soars and availability is reduced.

I already did too... a few months ago at Cabala's in Connecticut. It's worth a 2 hours drive

 

[Maria]

What's ammo ? Bullets ?

 

[Hear Again]

What's ammo ? Bullets ?

Yes. "Ammo" is short for ammunition.

 

[Jiro]

Of course we have freedom of religions, but for the government, I don't think it will work because the government can't really follow the religions or every one of them.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The government has ALREADY accommodated us by GRANTING us a freedom of religion... meaning - we are free to practice ANY religion - ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. What do you think why there are tons of evangelists (no matter how crazy/extreme they are) like Waco, Jenovah's Witness, YFZ Ranch, etc.?

The functionality of government is INDEPENDENT of religion and our public education is INDEPENDENT of religion.

 

[Jiro]

Thanks for link.

Obama seems don't expect to follows all of his plan to control on gun rights because of make new gun control law require congress to approve, there's conservative and moderate democrats in congress, usually support gun rights and would have any chance to fail it, despite on majority in congress since not all democrats are liberal. Most of Obama's plan was previously based on vote history.

For me, I'm favor into full gun rights but really some part of less concern than economy, I voted him because of economy and economy need to be fixed and alot of work, do you expect me to be conservative democrat? I don't think it's enough for me to be so due support GLBT rights and abortion.

When increase of conservative democrats in southeast states and some part of midwest would be enough for turn into blue, it shows like congress is nowhere to be too liberal or too conservative.

I don't think that Obama would follow of his expect, I hope it wouldn't going be happen.

you need to review the gun history. sounds like you're ill-informed about this issue. Don't you remember back in Clinton era? Our gun rights were highly restricted. With Congress under Democratic control.... our gun rights are in danger. It will be again restrictive.

 

[Foxrac]

you need to review the gun history. sounds like you're ill-informed about this issue. Don't you remember back in Clinton era? Our gun rights were highly restricted. With Congress under Democratic control.... our gun rights are in danger. It will be again restrictive.

Oh my boy, you don't got it. :roll:

Whatever.

 

[Hwy99]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. The government has ALREADY accommodated us by GRANTING us a freedom of religion... meaning - we are free to practice ANY religion - ANYWHERE, ANYTIME. What do you think why there are tons of evangelists (no matter how crazy/extreme they are) like Waco, Jenovah's Witness, YFZ Ranch, etc.?

The functionality of government is INDEPENDENT of religion and our public education is INDEPENDENT of religion.

If the government are independent of the religion, then what's up with the "God" word on everywhere, even the dollars and coins, that symbols our governments?

 

[Jiro]

If the government are independent of the religion, then what's up with the "God" word on everywhere, even the dollars and coins, that symbols our governments?

because we are not faithless, soulless, savage people. Mind you - the government isn't telling you its specific preference for religion. and mind you - its legal system isn't based on religious view. That's the most important.

In God We Trust

Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania to Secretary of Treasury Chase

Dear Sir: You are about to submit your annual report to the Congress respecting the affairs of the national finances.

One fact touching our currency has hitherto been seriously overlooked. I mean the recognition of the Almighty God in some form on our coins.

You are probably a Christian. What if our Republic were not shattered beyond reconstruction? Would not the antiquaries of succeeding centuries rightly reason from our past that we were a heathen nation? What I propose is that instead of the goddess of liberty we shall have next inside the 13 stars a ring inscribed with the words PERPETUAL UNION; within the ring the allseeing eye, crowned with a halo; beneath this eye the American flag, bearing in its field stars equal to the number of the States united; in the folds of the bars the words GOD, LIBERTY, LAW.

This would make a beautiful coin, to which no possible citizen could object. This would relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism. This would place us openly under the Divine protection we have personally claimed. From my hearth I have felt our national shame in disowning God as not the least of our present national disasters.

To you first I address a subject that must be agitated.

A reply -

Dear Sir: No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense. The trust of our people in God should be declared on our national coins.

You will cause a device to be prepared without unnecessary delay with a motto expressing in the fewest and tersest words possible this national recognition.

I approve your mottoes, only suggesting that on that with the Washington obverse the motto should begin with the word OUR, so as to read OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY. And on that with the shield, it should be changed so as to read: IN GOD WE TRUST.

 

[Jiro]

Oh my boy, you don't got it. :roll:

Whatever.

First of all - you did not know Obama's stance on gun laws. Secondly - you claim that Obama Administration & Congress "won't" touch it. Thirdly - it shows you are very ill-informed about the history of gun laws in America.

Please educate yourself on this issue before you say something. It'll help a great deal for you.

 

[Foxrac]

First of all - you did not know Obama's stance on gun laws. Secondly - you claim that Obama Administration & Congress "won't" touch it. Thirdly - it shows you are very ill-informed about the history of gun laws in America.

Please educate yourself on this issue before you say something. It'll help a great deal for you.

It wouldn't make me to vote for republican, no way.

 

[Hwy99]

because we are not faithless, soulless, savage people. Mind you - the government isn't telling you its specific preference for religion. and mind you - its legal system isn't based on religious view. That's the most important.

In God We Trust

Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania to Secretary of Treasury Chase


A reply -

Without a God doesn't mean that we are hopeless, we are human and we require to surivive anyway, because yea of course, have you ever seen any animals that worship to God? No, but do they still surivive and have a hope? Yes. Plus the governments are not create from the God, they are create by other human that dominate them.

 

[Jiro]

Without a God doesn't mean that we are hopeless, we are human and we require to surivive anyway, because yea of course, have you ever seen any animals that worship to God? No, but do they still surivive and have a hope? Yes. Plus the governments are not create from the God, they are create by other human that dominate them.

That's why we're the intelligent being. Do these animals have civilizations? technology? laws? No the government are not created from God like Vatican City. That's different in America. There are many moments where we're at loss.... so we turn to God for wisdom and faith.

I think you're confusing the concept of God in America. Perhaps you view "God" as the MAN who controls everything, dictates what's wrong or not. That's not an issue in here. We look to God for wisdom and faith.

Ever read Orwellian stories? Do you want to live in a Police State? That's what China is like. They persecuted anybody associated with a certain religion. Do you want to live in a brutal godless state?

 

[Macian]

That's why we're the intelligent being. Do these animals have civilizations? technology? laws? No the government are not created from God like Vatican City. That's different in America. There are many moments where we're at loss.... so we turn to God for wisdom and faith.

I think you're confusing the concept of God in America. Perhaps you view "God" as the MAN who controls everything, dictates what's wrong or not. That's not an issue in here. We look to God for wisdom and faith.

Ever read Orwellian stories? Do you want to live in a Police State? That's what China is like. They persecuted anybody associated with a certain religion. Do you want to live in a brutal godless state?

or perhaps a few fools who think their country is god, and the world revolves around them

 

[Jiro]

or perhaps a few fools who think their country is god, and the world revolves around them

yup... which is why their civilizations crumbled to shamble.

 

[Hwy99]

That's why we're the intelligent being. Do these animals have civilizations? technology? laws? No the government are not created from God like Vatican City. That's different in America. There are many moments where we're at loss.... so we turn to God for wisdom and faith.

That's because the animals don't have the capability to create such like humans do, but can we make a web right from our bodies like the spiders? Can we fly with our body like the birds? Can we see in the dark like the cats? No, it is because we are different species than them, as well as they are different than us.

I think you're confusing the concept of God in America. Perhaps you view "God" as the MAN who controls everything, dictates what's wrong or not. That's not an issue in here. We look to God for wisdom and faith.

Doesn't matter what we are looking to God for, it is still the God which not everyone would believe in. That's why I don't see any freedom of governments using the word of "God".

Ever read Orwellian stories? Do you want to live in a Police State? That's what China is like. They persecuted anybody associated with a certain religion. Do you want to live in a brutal godless state?

LOL China's policy of the religion is not freedom of religion nor while we the America using the word of "God" on our government's system.

Only the real freedom of religion is leave it alone and let people choose any religion they feel to believe in.

 

[Macian]

yup... which is why their civilizations crumbled to shamble.

thank you for confirming my beliefs

 

[Jiro]

thank you for confirming my beliefs

and you confirmed wrong. USA does not revolve around God but includes it along the way..... USA is still independent of God.

 

[Macian]

and you confirmed wrong. USA does not revolve around God but includes it along the way..... USA is still independent of God.

i never said they did Jiro, i don't know how to explain to a juvenile, but i will try, some of the people in the US don't believe in god but think their country is it, and the world revolves around them, tell me is that any clearer? and i dont mean all, i have a few friends who are not so biased that are from the US

 

[Jiro]

Doesn't matter what we are looking to God for, it is still the God which not everyone would believe in. That's why I don't see any freedom of governments using the word of "God".

because America was originally built on "freedom of religion" by pilgrims. To escape from Europe's extreme religious view and the persecution. To practice any religions they want. Like I said - we are not faithless, soulless savages/extremists/fundamentalists. If you have no God, that's fine... but too bad for you because a significant portion of American population has religious association (even if they haven't been to church in decades).

LOL China's policy of the religion is not freedom of religion nor while we the America using the word of "God" on our government's system.

Only the real freedom of religion is leave it alone and let people choose any religion they feel to believe in.

EXACTLY! That is the ultimate reason why pilgrims ran away to America! Is American government telling you who to worship to? what religion not to worship to? no, right? There you go. You are free to be "God-less" but tough luck. America was originally built on it by the founding fathers and their ancestors so once you live in here - you have to abide by it.

 

[Jiro]

i never said they did Jiro, i don't know how to explain to a juvenile, but i will try, some of the people in the US don't believe in god but think their country is it, and the world revolves around them, tell me is that any clearer? and i dont mean all, i have a few friends who are not so biased that are from the US

see? flint axe does a good work, eh? thank you for information. More Domestic Dissents for me... it's a good day.