Interpreter's salary

[jasin]

Absolutely nothing.

:roll:

A secretary who puts in the accommodations and does the scheduling and finding of interpreters does not have more sway, pull, seniority, or clout then a department head with tenure.

 

[jillio]

:roll:

A secretary who puts in the accommodations and does the scheduling and finding of interpreters does not have more sway, pull, seniority, or clout then a department head with tenure.

Especially when that dept. head has nothing to do with the issue. A dept head is there to run his academic dept. and to teach. He is not there to perform insitutional equity services.

 

[jasin]

Especially when that dept. head has nothing to do with the issue. A dept head is there to run his academic dept. and to teach. He is not there to perform insitutional equity services.

A Department head has the job of running the department and being an instructor, yes, but that does not exclude them from standing up for a deaf person who has potentially been discriminated against.

There is nothing in academic policy or US law that excludes an Asl professor from doing such things, especially when its on her own time.

There still are people who actually care for the needs and concerns of the deaf and thats never wrong to do.

 

[jasin]

Jillio, you was not there when this occurred, you do not attend this college, you are not deaf or have experienced what I did as a deaf person, and you do not know this professor or her thinking; please, stop trying to judge, analyze, and criticize things you could possibly not know anything about.

 

[jasin]

So I will say again that no one should refuse an assignment simply on the basis of ethnicity.

A deaf person has the right to request an interpreter that he or she feels works best for them and with them. If that is someone of the same ethnicity, then so be it.

 

[Grummer]

I have no idea why that interpreter did anything. I can't speak for someone else's decisions. You'd have to ask that person.

Your statement was:
"I happen to know an terp who declined to terp for a guy i know on the basis that he dont like a ethnic group"

My reply was:
"That isn't the same thing that I was talking about. No one should be turned down simply on the basis of ethnicity. I was talking about personal behavior, not personal background."

yah i read you, i do.
However, all i was saying is, a refusal to interpret for a client on the basis of how the client personal veiws is percieved. It has nothing to do with this interpreter. Much in the same way you don't decide not to sell a car to a buyer because you found out this buyer supports a different political party as you, or maybe to have different music taste - whatever. It has Nothing to do with the seller or provider of a service of any kind. So from this take, that interpreter has basically discriminated on the basis of the political views.

It is all dependent on how well the argument is handled and constructed, in saying this, the hearing superiority of an SL interpreter (most terps are hearing right?) shouldnt rationalise their motive , simply because they seem to think they have clearer views of things, or a more 'correct' powers of reasoning - that itself it bigotry.

That's the point, as well as recognising when personal involvement has been brenched. Like I said before this particular terp was all happy to 'terp for this deaf-er person or indeed might be a deaf person with a learning disability, who ranted about having his brother in the Neo-nazi group. While I dont know for sure about whether he has a learning disability or not, beside this, I still dont buy her decision, she obviously made a personal decision, not a professional decision, that's wrong. That is my whole point, sure that are such thing as safety but I think alot of that these days is getting carried away.

cheers anyway

 

[jillio]

A Department head has the job of running the department and being an instructor, yes, but that does not exclude them from standing up for a deaf person who has potentially been discriminated against.

There is nothing in academic policy or US law that excludes an Asl professor from doing such things, especially when its on her own time.

There still are people who actually care for the needs and concerns of the deaf and thats never wrong to do.

While there is nothing that prevents a dept. head from going to bat for a student, there is certainly nothing that mandates it either. Most professors are woefully uninformed regarding educational accommodations and the rights of studuents with disabilities. To got to bat for you with adminsitration would require that they have some form of specialized knowledge in the area to have credibility. Likewise, they are in effect, entering into a dispute with the insitution that signs their paycheck. Many, many professors care about their students, and would advise a student in this situation, but would not enter into a dispute with administration and risk loosing their job.

 

[jillio]

Jillio, you was not there when this occurred, you do not attend this college, you are not deaf or have experienced what I did as a deaf person, and you do not know this professor or her thinking; please, stop trying to judge, analyze, and criticize things you could possibly not know anything about.

The same could be said for any mediator that is appointed to handle such a complaint, so those points outlined in your post are invalid. There is a reason that an objective party is used for such purposes. It removes bias in the analyzing of the situation, and the decision made as a result.

Likewise, I have knowledge of and experience with the situations being discussed. Therefore, I am in a position to make a statement regarding such.

 

[jasin]

The same could be said for any mediator that is appointed to handle such a complaint, so those points outlined in your post are invalid. There is a reason that an objective party is used for such purposes. It removes bias in the analyzing of the situation, and the decision made as a result.

Likewise, I have knowledge of and experience with the situations being discussed. Therefore, I am in a position to make a statement regarding such.

Once again, you was not there when this occurred, you do not attend this college, you are not deaf or have experienced what I did as a deaf person, and you do not know this professor or her thinking.

 

[jillio]

Once again, you was not there when this occurred, you do not attend this college, you are not deaf or have experienced what I did as a deaf person, and you do not know this professor or her thinking.

Like I said, that actually removes bias and creates objectivity. It is an andvantage.

 

[jasin]

While there is nothing that prevents a dept. head from going to bat for a student, there is certainly nothing that mandates it either. Most professors are woefully uninformed regarding educational accommodations and the rights of studuents with disabilities. To got to bat for you with adminsitration would require that they have some form of specialized knowledge in the area to have credibility. Likewise, they are in effect, entering into a dispute with the insitution that signs their paycheck. Many, many professors care about their students, and would advise a student in this situation, but would not enter into a dispute with administration and risk loosing their job.

I can tell from the way you worded this posting that you sure don't have a lot of empathy and are, in a sense, just calling me a liar.

 

[Secretblend]

You just in a sense called me a liar. <g> thanks.

Explain how you came to that conclusion cause I dont see it.

 

[jillio]

You just in a sense called me a liar. <g> thanks.

No, I didn't. I offered a different perspective of the same situation.

You know, jasin, you would probably have fewer problems in your life if you let go of some of that hostility and defensiveness. You spend way too much energy looking for insult in everything. Do something positive with all that negative energy.

 

[jasin]

Like I said, that actually removes bias and creates objectivity. It is an andvantage.

My experiences are not bias their actually what I go through and deal with. S

 

[jasin]

No, I didn't. I offered a different perspective of the same situation.

You know, jasin, you would probably have fewer problems in your life if you let go of some of that hostility and defensiveness. You spend way too much energy looking for insult in everything. Do something positive with all that negative energy.

:roll: Ad hominem

 

[Secretblend]

My experiences are not bias their actually what I go through and deal with. They are real life, unlike your supposed vast knowledge my situation.

You are wrong there. Everybody has bias. Even people with their own experience is bias cause you will see what you want to see and will not see what you don't want to see. A person's memory can be so convenience.

 

[jillio]

I can tell from the way you worded this posting that you sure don't have a lot of empathy and are, in a sense, just calling me a liar.

Then you need to reread the post, because you have not understood it at all.

 

[jillio]

My experiences are not bias their actually what I go through and deal with. S

Your experiences are not biased, they are nuetral. It is your perception of those experiences that are biased. That is a given in every situation with every person alive.

 

[jillio]

You are wrong there. Everybody has bias. Even people with their own experience is bias cause you will see what you want to see and will not see what you don't want to see. A person's memory can be so convenience.

Exactly.

 

[jasin]

Explain how you came to that conclusion cause I dont see it.

Read between the lines! When someone comes on here and tries to contradict every statement someone makes about something someone experienced they are in effect calling that person a liar.