JoeyDeafNinja

Any one else here is a Patriot, whom support America but not the government itself? I'm a Patriot.

-Recently, I had a thought about different between US Army and Patriot.
They support America but US Army actually support government? Patriot doesn't support government but freedom and America.
--Patriots doesn't take a orders from government but US Army does.
---What do you think?
----If you know this more than I do then please comment. Thanks!

Deafness

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This will get interesting and fast.

AlleyCat

And probably locked.

posts from hell

I thought about accelerating that process but decided against it.




for now.

Banjo

Some people seem to blur the lines between Patriotism and Jingoism.

Reba

dogmom

<PFH...I saw that little ad-on.....am waiting....>

kokonut

Durn it!

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Babyblue

Google this: "What does it take to be a patriot?" Be sure to type in everything in between the quotation mark. And you will be enlighten on what patriot is.

Steinhauer

and red flagged

Frisky Feline

jillio

Jiro

You Domestic Dissent!

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JoeyDeafNinja

What's wrong being Patriot and against Government?

Jiro

Are you a fan of Tim McVeigh?

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Reba

It depends on what you mean by "against" and "Government."

If "against" means you want to change current state and federal administrations by way of protesting, campaigning and voting, that's one thing. If you are advocating rebellion or violence, that's something else.

If "Government" means to you the very institution of Federal government instead of just the current administration or specific laws, that's two different issues.

darkdog

Where do you draw the line? Does waving a flag and yelling "USA! USA!" count as jingoism?

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Beowulf

Yep.

TinCanSailor

A real Patriot doesn't need to toot his own horn. It is bestowed by others who witness his/her deeds.

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Banjo

According to the definition of Jingoism, yes. Jingoism is when one takes an action intended to arouse one's patriotic emotions. Patriotism is when one loves the country and is dedicated to it enough to make sacrifices. Patriots are willing to defend their country from being attacked. Jingoism is a form of aggression towards the foreign policy. Jingoists often resent and support attacking any countries that they deem to be a potential threat.

StSapphire

I'd also add that Jingoistic patterns of thought and actions tend to have a correlation to xenophobia, as well.

darkdog

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

Interesting. I feel no desire to attack other countries. No hatred or fear of immigrants either. Let me try again.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

Nope. Just enjoying yelling "USA!"

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darkdog

By the way, I'll remember this next time I hear crowds yelling OBAMA! OBAMA!

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Banjo

Not really the point. The chant originated out of jingoism. Are you aware of how the "USA" chant got popularized in the first place? Here's a hint, it had something to do with the Soviets back in 1980.

darkdog

Actually, that is the point because you said "Jingoists often resent and support attacking any countries that they deem to be a potential threat." And then someone else said jingoism correlates with xenophobia. Those are the remarks I was responding to.

So people were yelling "USA! USA!" at a huge upset victory in the Olympics because they wanted to attack the Soviet Union? I don't think so. By the way, the United States is superior to the Soviet Union. There, I just said it directly, and yet, I'm glad the evil empire was able to crumble without us ever having to go to war with them. I see the chant as a celebration of our founding principles, Constitution, and traditions that allow this country to be great. It's not about putting down other countries (except the Soviet Union, but they kinda deserved it) or other peoples (including the unfortunate people who had to survive the atrocity that is communism). It's certainly not about wanting to attack other countries or being opposed to people wanting to move here and enjoy the blessings this country has to offer.

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StSapphire

That was me. And I said often, not always, and I said "correlates", not "causes". Post hoc non est ergo propter hoc.

Beowulf

You have to admit that "Obama, Obama, let mama marry mama" is more palatable than "Bush, Bush, let bush marry bush."
Sorry, couldn't help it.

rockin'robin

Jiro

Jingle Bell Jingle Bell Jingle All The Wayyyyyyyyy.............

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Banjo

Jingoist!