racist behavior - Page 3

**Reba** · 06-15-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Sure it can, on a collective basis. One way to measure would be the number of hate crimes per capita. Another would be per capita support for laws that validate racist behavior.

According to the FBI stats of hate crimes per capita, Arizona is NOT one of the most racist states.

Hate Crime Statistics in the United States - Hate Crime Statistics - Esquire

**Foxrac** · 06-15-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

According to the FBI stats of hate crimes per capita, Arizona is NOT one of the most racist states.

Hate Crime Statistics in the United States - Hate Crime Statistics - Esquire

No, that what she wasn't talking about it.

**shel90** · 06-15-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

According to the FBI stats of hate crimes per capita, Arizona is NOT one of the most racist states.

Hate Crime Statistics in the United States - Hate Crime Statistics - Esquire

As much I love the fact that I was born and raised in AZ...I still never forgot when the voters turned down making MLK a holiday.

I felt it was more racist there than here in Maryland. Just my two cents.

jillio · 06-16-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

According to the FBI stats of hate crimes per capita, Arizona is NOT one of the most racist states.

Hate Crime Statistics in the United States - Hate Crime Statistics - Esquire

I said that would be one measure. Relying on a single statistic to reach a conclusion is the way to reach an erroneous conclusion.

**Reba** · 06-16-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I said that would be one measure. Relying on a single statistic to reach a conclusion is the way to reach an erroneous conclusion.

So on what measures do you base this statement:

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jillio · 06-16-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

So on what measures do you base this statement:

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Didn't base it on any measures at all. It was an opinion arrived at through observation of several different instances. I only need to use "measures" if I am presenting a factual statement that is intended to be used as reference.

Surely you understand opinion formation.

kokonut · 06-16-2010, 10:30 AM

This should get interesting. Wonder what Bob Andweave will say?

**Reba** · 06-16-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Didn't base it on any measures at all. It was an opinion arrived at through observation of several different instances. I only need to use "measures" if I am presenting a factual statement that is intended to be used as reference.

Surely you understand opinion formation.

Got it.

It was your opinion with no factual basis.

jillio · 06-16-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Got it.

It was your opinion with no factual basis.

My opinion through observation. Never represented it as anything else. In fact, The first two words of my statement qualify it as such. Much the same as those you express without empirical support.

**Reba** · 06-16-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

My opinion through observation. Never represented it as anything else. In fact, The first two words of my statement qualify it as such. Much the same as those you express without empirical support.

We were discussing your specific post. If you have a question or statement about a specific post of mine, please reference it, as I do your posts.

jillio · 06-16-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

We were discussing your specific post. If you have a question or statement about a specific post of mine, please reference it, as I do your posts.

No questions at all. Just saying you should have been able to infer what you demanded I explain, as it is something you do, as well.

**Reba** · 06-16-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

No questions at all. Just saying you should have been able to infer what you demanded I explain, as it is something you do, as well.

Example?

jillio · 06-16-2010, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Example?

Anytime you express an opinion. Anytime you make a statement that cannot be supported with indisputable evidence. Let's see... a specific example? How about the posts you make that are of a more religious nature.

**Reba** · 06-16-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Anytime you express an opinion. Anytime you make a statement that cannot be supported with indisputable evidence. Let's see... a specific example? How about the posts you make that are of a more religious nature.

Well, there's a convenient topic for you to post knowing that no one can access the religious threads to disprove what you say, or to quote from them.

Some religion-themed posts are factual, and some are opinions. I usually start out with, "I believe" or "Baptists believe" or "Christians believe." Those are beliefs, not statistical figures, clearly. I also quoted Scripture, with references, and state, "the Bible says" or "in the Bible", which people can look up and verify the accuracy of in their own Bibles or using an on-line Bible.

If you notice, I usually start opinion posts with, "in my opinion", or include "IMO" or "just my opinion" in the text. I also use, "according to the report/source/link" to make it clear that it's another person's statement.

If there is ever a question about one of my statements I'm happy to clarify.

**sallylou** · 06-16-2010, 01:36 PM

Ya'll want to debate the definition of "opinion"? I'm sure that I could come up with some lawyerly arguments about that.

**sallylou** · 06-16-2010, 01:37 PM

Opps! I put a question mark outside a quote. *looks around for grammar Nazis*

kokonut · 06-16-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Opps! I put a question mark outside a quote. *looks around for grammar Nazis*

Hmmm....

Quotation Marks | Punctuation Rules

jillio · 06-17-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Well, there's a convenient topic for you to post knowing that no one can access the religious threads to disprove what you say, or to quote from them.

Some religion-themed posts are factual, and some are opinions. I usually start out with, "I believe" or "Baptists believe" or "Christians believe." Those are beliefs, not statistical figures, clearly. I also quoted Scripture, with references, and state, "the Bible says" or "in the Bible", which people can look up and verify the accuracy of in their own Bibles or using an on-line Bible.

If you notice, I usually start opinion posts with, "in my opinion", or include "IMO" or "just my opinion" in the text. I also use, "according to the report/source/link" to make it clear that it's another person's statement.

If there is ever a question about one of my statements I'm happy to clarify.

But they can access any of the abortion threads,which would serve the same purpose. And your reliously overtoned opinions are available all through threads of any topics. Scriptures are no more than anecdotal evidence. Certainly nothing empirical there. In fact, unless one states "empirical evidence shows" it should be known that it is opinion.

jillio · 06-17-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Ya'll want to debate the definition of "opinion"? I'm sure that I could come up with some lawyerly arguments about that.

Only ones that love to debate the definition of opinion are those that can't seen to find anything scholarly or empirical to denounce the opinion they don't like.

**Beowulf** · 06-17-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Well, there's a convenient topic for you to post knowing that no one can access the religious threads to disprove what you say, or to quote from them.

Some religion-themed posts are factual, and some are opinions. I usually start out with, "I believe" or "Baptists believe" or "Christians believe." Those are beliefs, not statistical figures, clearly. I also quoted Scripture, with references, and state, "the Bible says" or "in the Bible", which people can look up and verify the accuracy of in their own Bibles or using an on-line Bible.

If you notice, I usually start opinion posts with, "in my opinion", or include "IMO" or "just my opinion" in the text. I also use, "according to the report/source/link" to make it clear that it's another person's statement.

If there is ever a question about one of my statements I'm happy to clarify[/B].

Regarding your earlier post about hate-crime statistics, is the FBI madly revising its opinion of Arizona?

jillio · 06-17-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Regarding your earlier post about hate-crime statistics, is the FBI madly revising its opinion of Arizona?

No doubt. Those stats are always a few years behind.

**Reba** · 06-17-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Regarding your earlier post about hate-crime statistics, is the FBI madly revising its opinion of Arizona?

Only if incidences of hate crimes have increased.

**Reba** · 06-17-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

But they can access any of the abortion threads,which would serve the same purpose.

Fine. Anyone is welcome to do that, including you, if you want to cite one of my posts.

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And your reliously overtoned opinions are available all through threads of any topics. Scriptures are no more than anecdotal evidence. Certainly nothing empirical there.

You misunderstand. I didn't offer the Scripture examples for "empirical evidence" but for showing my sources so that readers would know from where I get my information. I have nothing to hide, and I welcome anyone looking up the verses for themselves to verify that I don't make up my sources. They can draw their own conclusions from their own interpretations.

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In fact, unless one states "empirical evidence shows" it should be known that it is opinion.

I never stated "empirical evidence shows", did I?

It's a fact when I state that John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" in the King James Bible.

It's opinion when I give my interpretation or belief about that verse.

I hope that you aren't bringing up religious posts in an attempt to get this thread locked.

Tousi · 06-17-2010, 04:31 PM

I'll tell you what she wants, Reba; she wants/needs/must have the final say in anything. Control freak. No respect shown to those who have a different view.

**Reba** · 06-17-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I'll tell you what she wants, Reba; she wants/needs/must have the final say in anything. Control freak.

I'm movin' on to other threads so as not to get this one locked.

**Beowulf** · 06-17-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I'll tell you what she wants, Reba; she wants/needs/must have the final say in anything. Control freak.

Tell you what, Tousi, we will give you the last word.

Tousi · 06-17-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Tell you what, Tousi, we will give you the last word.

Why, thanks, man; that'd be my first.

kokonut · 06-17-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I'll tell you what she wants, Reba; she wants/needs/must have the final say in anything. Control freak. No respect shown to those who have a different view.

Amen!

Ok, now you can have the last word.

Word.

**TXgolfer** · 06-17-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Amen!

Ok, now you can have the last word.

Word.

Oh way to go.....you just took Tousi's last word........ D'oh

kokonut · 06-17-2010, 11:51 PM

No, seriously, i just gave Tousi my last word for him to use.

Word.

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Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,731	I'll tell you what she wants, Reba; she wants/needs/must have the final say in anything. Control freak. No respect shown to those who have a different view.