US isn't ready for free medical like Canada

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Govt gonna eat out of our salary that goes to help rest of 15%+ (whom don't have health insurance) to become everybody to have health to take care.

The waiting list take weeks to months, their average is 17.1. There is example happen 1997 from Ontario Statistical report:

• 71 patients died while waiting for CABG (coroary artery bypass grafting)
• 121 were rem,oved from the list permanently because they had become medically unfit for surgery
• 211 were taken off the list temporarily
• 259 were removed from the list for unspecified reason
• 44 left the province and underwent CABG elsewhere.

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more than from past...

CBC News Indepth: Health Care

Canada’s “Free” Health Care Has Hidden Costs

Analysis on Wait Times Tables - report from Feb 2007
 
PowerON said:
Did you know?

Govt gonna eat out of our salary that goes to help rest of 15%+ (whom don't have health insurance) to become everybody to have health to take care.

The waiting list take weeks to months, their average is 17.1. There is example happen 1997 from Ontario Statistical report:

• 71 patients died while waiting for CABG (coroary artery bypass grafting)
• 121 were rem,oved from the list permanently because they had become medically unfit for surgery
• 211 were taken off the list temporarily
• 259 were removed from the list for unspecified reason
• 44 left the province and underwent CABG elsewhere.

» source

more than from past...

CBC News Indepth: Health Care

Canada’s “Free” Health Care Has Hidden Costs

Analysis on Wait Times Tables - report from Feb 2007
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I guess i am asuming you are from Canada??? Am I right??
 
Bypass surgery is poor example if you're trying to make a case against a socialist government health care system. A far better example is the current problem with dentists in the UK.
Sufferers pull out teeth due to lack of dentists - Telegraph
National Health Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm against a completely socialist health care system in the US, but I'm in favor of programs like SCHIP, and I'm upset that President Bush vetoed the bill to expand it to the working poor of our country.
 
Poweron -

It's not 'free'. My hearing Canadian ex had told me all about how Universal Health Care system works and had given me Canadian lessons. Under Canadian law, private insurances are forbidden except Quebec. That's one of the reasons Canadians come to the US for better care. We have many Canadians in my town. A few years ago, a Canadian doctor had decided to challenge the Quebec government on health insurance laws and forced the Province to change its policy on medical wait times and private care. Private insurances currently are set up all over Quebec. My ex loathes Quebec and, yet he keeps complaining regarding expensive Canadian taxes. He and his friends often sneak into the US to buy supplies because US taxes are so low. He doesn't even have his Canadian passport, and uses his American friend's US address to buy plane tickets because they're so cheap. All he has to do is just get across the border and get on a plane. It is very easy. His friend is the laziest man I've ever seen in my life. He has a computer science degree and is on welfare for about 5 years. He 'claims' he cannot find any job in Hamilton and areas near Toronto. I am not kidding ya. He uses his own daughter as a pawn to get $6,000/month from the Canadian government.

I've heard and read plenty of stories from my foreign relatives and friends. I have several cousins in out of country are having problems with doctors and it is totally flawed. I believe both Universal Health Care and Private Health care are flawed. Also, Bureaucracy is the problem. I have read the forum on a different site and a friend of mine knows this woman who resides in Sweden had posted her statement:

"In Denmark most of the handicapped live outside the cities in government run institutions where they have monthly fieldtrips to "civilization." Instead of working at Goodwill or as a grocery bagger or a greeter at Walmart, these individuals are isolated away. When I asked a lady who was with the government sector responsible for the disabled, she said "They prefer to not be in the way."

I was taken aback, because having a disabled brother and having worked with many with dissabilities, I know how important it is to be part of society...

Her brother has severely cerebral palsy.
 
Barbaro said:
Poweron -

It's not 'free'. My hearing Canadian ex had told me all about how Universal Health Care system works and had given me blah blah blah.
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Yes, I'm aware that it's not true free. That's why I provide the link about hidden cost.
 
I'm aware that Canada have lot of bad doctors even tho you do get 'free' health care...comes from a huge chunk of taxes you pay. I used to think it was great until I found out more about it and it's not worth living there because of the deaf support relations, jobs and health care issues. I'm happy to live here in the United States, it's better than nothing.
 
Many poor people die in the US because no health insurance. Much more than 71.

From USA Today: 18,000 deaths blamed on lack of insurance

More than 18,000 adults in the USA die each year because they are uninsured and can't get proper health care, researchers report in a landmark study released Tuesday.

The 193-page report, "Care Without Coverage: Too Little, Too Late," examines the plight of 30 million — one in seven — working-age Americans whose employers don't provide insurance and who don't qualify for government medical care.

About 10 million children lack insurance; elderly Americans are covered by Medicare.

It is the second in a planned series of six reports by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) examining the impact of the nation's fragmented health system. The IOM is a non-profit organization of experts that advises Congress on health issues.

Overall, the researchers say, 18,314 people die in the USA each year because they lack preventive services, a timely diagnosis or appropriate care.

The estimated death toll includes about 1,400 people with high blood pressure, 400 to 600 with breast cancer and 1,500 diagnosed with HIV.

And Canadians are healthier than US - with lower obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure and longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality

From Diabetes Health Center: Study: Canada Is Healthier Than U.S.

"Compared with Canadians, U.S. residents are one-third less likely to have a regular medical doctor, one-fourth more likely to have unmet health care needs, and are more than twice as likely to forgo needed medicines," write Lasser and colleagues.

They add that "problems accessing medical care are particularly dire for the U.S. uninsured," and that while both countries had racial gaps in health, those gaps were wider in the U.S


Nothing is free and US health care system has "hidden cost" of uninsured payed by everyone.

From CommonDreams: U.S. Uninsured Health Care Cost Put at $125 Billion

The cost of providing health care for U.S. citizens who have no insurance will total $125 billion this year, with taxpayers and private entities footing most of the bill, a report issued on Monday said.

The report by a health care research foundation estimated that there are 44 million Americans without any health insurance, and soaring health care costs have become a presidential campaign issue.
 
sequoias said:
I'm aware that Canada have lot of bad doctors even tho you do get 'free' health care...comes from a huge chunk of taxes you pay. I used to think it was great until I found out more about it and it's not worth living there because of the deaf support relations, jobs and health care issues. I'm happy to live here in the United States, it's better than nothing.
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NONE OF TRUE.. I'm lauff'n at you.. my gosh.. not even knowledge more than about it..

I'm pure canadian.. already know what going on every the details...

Tsk you jump huge consolation..

Canada is trying to coping deal with their system simlair alike US... isn't big deal. Not really LARGE OF SUM percent..

Depends what you have coverage of insurance will happy portion help pay your cost coverage expense for hospital medical.

Oh please...
Why don't you check out with Liebling's thread about Insurance health of medical.
 
US not ready? Come on!!!!

What I don't understand is...

Uncle Sam was able to afford 1.6 Trillion dollars for war on Iraq, yet can't afford universal health care???

Something is really wrong in US picture! SAD!
 
sequoias said:
I'm aware that Canada have lot of bad doctors even tho you do get 'free' health care...comes from a huge chunk of taxes you pay. I used to think it was great until I found out more about it and it's not worth living there because of the deaf support relations, jobs and health care issues. I'm happy to live here in the United States, it's better than nothing.
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Talk about hogwash!

To say that we have a lot of "bad" doctors is a slap in the face. We have a lot of excellent doctors who are dedicated to taking care of our health when your doctor is likely is only in it for the money. Plus you have to pay hundreds of dollars every month for health insurance. We pay it through the GST and income taxes.

I'm deaf and I live in Canada. I'm employed in a full-time occupation with dental/drug/optical and health plan benefits. It's also in the private sector. So far, I'll say the deaf population is doing just fine. It's just the lazy asses who won't stop leeching the disability welfare system in Canada.

Americans, do you realize that your government is spending far, far more in healthcare per capita than we are? Only the problem is, your government isn't getting as much out of it when compared to my government.

If you were to have a heart attack, the place to have one would be in Canada. It's free. In the US, many people end up having to beg their insurance carriers or sue them because of their refusal to pay the $200,000 medical bill. It happens a lot.

Canada is one of the best when it come to the emergency room. Period. That's the most crucial part of healthcare because when it's urgent, it is urgent. There's no time and they will do everything to save you and it's all free.

Once you're over 65, you don't have to pay for most prescription drugs. Only the dispensing fee which is often a few dollars.

The system isn't perfect, no argument. There are a lot of room for improvements to be made. But to be honest, I'm perfectly fine with paying for health insurance through taxes rather than paying $600 a month. All of the cares I've received from the hospitals and related services has been nothing short of excellence.

There, I said it.
 
Kaitin said:
Many poor people die in the US because no health insurance. Much more than 71.
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I'm pretty sure of that. I also remember the story of the woman who died on the floor in the ER at a hospital in LA after repeatedly asking for help. People walked around her and the janitor even cleaned up around her body after she was unconscious.

If that was to happen here, there would be a riot.
 
Banjo said:
Talk about hogwash!

To say that we have a lot of "bad" doctors is a slap in the face. We have a lot of excellent doctors who are dedicated to taking care of our health when your doctor is likely is only in it for the money. Plus you have to pay hundreds of dollars every month for health insurance. We pay it through the GST and income taxes.

I'm deaf and I live in Canada. I'm employed in a full-time occupation with dental/drug/optical and health plan benefits. It's also in the private sector. So far, I'll say the deaf population is doing just fine. It's just the lazy asses who won't stop leeching the disability welfare system in Canada.

Americans, do you realize that your government is spending far, far more in healthcare per capita than we are? Only the problem is, your government isn't getting as much out of it when compared to my government.

If you were to have a heart attack, the place to have one would be in Canada. It's free. In the US, many people end up having to beg their insurance carriers or sue them because of their refusal to pay the $200,000 medical bill. It happens a lot.

Canada is one of the best when it come to the emergency room. Period. That's the most crucial part of healthcare because when it's urgent, it is urgent. There's no time and they will do everything to save you and it's all free.

Once you're over 65, you don't have to pay for most prescription drugs. Only the dispensing fee which is often a few dollars.

The system isn't perfect, no argument. There are a lot of room for improvements to be made. But to be honest, I'm perfectly fine with paying for health insurance through taxes rather than paying $600 a month. All of the cares I've received from the hospitals and related services has been nothing short of excellence.

There, I said it.
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:h5:~ extactly...

Have no idea why Seq stated that poor doctor in Canada.. what make those stories bogus.. ? I've seen around DR who have excellent specialist and help w/patient doing great fine..
No difference make as same US dr may have poor too. no needed assumption about their country who have poor service.. doesn't matter as long their services as try their best effort to figure out what wrong w/patient until successful...

Agree, aren't you? Banjo..
 
While I was driving home from work tonight, I was listening to talk radio. A man called in and told how he recently became a citizen of the United States. He was originally from Canada. He said there were four reasons that he moved to the USA: 1. socialism in Canada 2. the health system in Canada 3. the cold weather in Canada 4. the mosquitoes in Canada.

He said that his elderly mother still lives in Canada and needs an MRI. She complains that she's been waiting for months. The man said, "Mom, come down here and pay $200 and get an MRI, now!" But she refuses. She says, "But I can get it here [Canada] for free!"
 
Reba said:
While I was driving home from work tonight, I was listening to talk radio. A man called in and told how he recently became a citizen of the United States. He was originally from Canada. He said there were four reasons that he moved to the USA: 1. socialism in Canada 2. the health system in Canada 3. the cold weather in Canada 4. the mosquitoes in Canada.

He said that his elderly mother still lives in Canada and needs an MRI. She complains that she's been waiting for months. The man said, "Mom, come down here and pay $200 and get an MRI, now!" But she refuses. She says, "But I can get it here [Canada] for free!"
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The man has a great deal. The average cost of MRI in the US is almost 10xs = $2,000.

From Blue Cross Blue Shield Association: Coverage Basics: How Much Things Actually Cost

* The national average cost of an MRI is nearly $2,000
* Heart bypass surgery costs about $57,000
* The average cost of a 30-day prescription of one name brand drug is $71 compared to $22 for the generic equivalent
* National healthcare expenditures are expected to nearly double over the next 10 years
 
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I recalled a CBS morning news last year about France's health system. I am impressed that France has the best health plan in the world as number one. But, I learned that it is the most expensive taxes that people complain about. It provides a full free care for taking care of the parents' babies awhile they go to work - it is not exact the same for a day care in U.S. It is just like more home for employees to take care of the babies. I find that interesting.

I am sure that Canada is also a good system. Banjo is right that it is not quite perfect because the government is copying the idea of U.S. Health System which disappointed to me. It has to do with the money business in the insurance industrials. Sigh.

In fact, FDA and insurance companies are the major problem because they do not want a free health care for American people in U.S. Mexican people with no visa disadvantage us to access to a free health care in U.S. That's not new to me because their Mexico Government is corrupt. It would be nice if the Mexican people go to Canada instead of U.S.
 
Reba said:
He said that his elderly mother still lives in Canada and needs an MRI. She complains that she's been waiting for months. The man said, "Mom, come down here and pay $200 and get an MRI, now!" But she refuses. She says, "But I can get it here [Canada] for free!"
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$200? For MRI?

Pfft, $2,000 would be more like it.
 
I use the VA hospital, which is kind of like having socialized medicine. I appreciate the staff at the hospital, and I know they do their best but there are many limitations with that kind of medical service. Here are some of the limitations that I experienced:

1. waiting several years to get a consult to ENT

2. no access to vision services unless it's a service-connected eye problem (which mine is not)

3. some medications are not carried in the pharmacy

4. I never know who my primary care doctor will be (constant turnover of doctors); no choice of doctor

5. hospital and clinic locations are few; some towns have no VA facilities; no choice of hospital

6. no evening or weekend or holiday hours

7. unless a person has high risk factors or symptoms, no colonoscopies offered

8. no dental services provided

9. more services are provided if you pay extra

10. there is no such thing as totally free medical care for career military retirees
 
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