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sallylou

TXgolfer claims to be an

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jillio

Is that your slippery slope argument?

Reba

Same-sex marriage is not the law of the land in the USA. It's been passed in a few states.

We do get to choose our laws by voting in referendums, and by electing representatives who will vote for us.

jillio

This is exactly why I asked if anyone had bothered to read the studies I was referencing in a previous post.

jillio

But what criteria are you using to make those votes? A few states, several countries, and moving forward.

FireTiger

I'm not Reba...
The current legal definition of male has nothing to do with a penis, it has to do with having one (or more) 'Y' chromosomes... the current definition of female is lacking 'Y' chromosomes...

this actually came up in our ethics class for Med.

Most Hermaphrodites get 'gender assigned' at birth or shortly after birth (by removal of a non fully formed organ, whichever one).

How to house the set (there where three in the same area it was apparently a 'non gender assigned' hermaphrodite convention that then had a tragic accident )

The correct answer was to ask the person's their chosen gender identity, (or assign then all single rooms... which didn't count for full credit but should have... *my answer*)

Reba

Even when your descriptives are simply inaccurate biased opinions.

Thankfully, people can read all the posts for themselves, and make their own judgments. They don't have to depend on your "descriptives."

TXgolfer

Does it matter?

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sallylou

Gender and sexual orientation are two completely different issues.

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jillio

Actually, genetically, we are programed to become female by default. It is the effects of hormone exposure prenatally that make the determination of whether one becomes male or female. Since they don't do genetic testing at birth, it is entirely possible for a newborn to appear male but to have the chromosome make up of a female, or vice versa. These instances are not true hermaphroditism, or intersexed individuals. They are individuals who have the external and internal genitalia of one sex, but the chromosome pattern of the opposite sex.

jillio

Yes, they are. Gender is a social construction, sex is biological.

jillio

Yes.

sallylou

Especially in a patriarchy.

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jillio

You see them as inaccurate; I see them as accurate.

Yes, thank goodness they can. They are not dependent upon my descriptives. They are perfectly capapble of applying the same ones themselves.

jillio

No doubt.

TXgolfer

True..... I never got the association between the GLB and the T. IMO the T really holds the GLB back. Not with me but just opinions I have heard here and there.

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sallylou

Most people, including myself, have a hard time understanding transgender issues. I try to look at it as people being what they were born to be when the apparent gender didn't fit. I can imagine that it's really hard for transpeople growing up.

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TXgolfer

I think not. One is free to use any criteria they chose when voting. That is the beauty of it.

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jillio

Why would transsexual or transgender hold the gay, lesbian, and bisexual group back? A transexual and a transgender are two different things and the T stands for both.

jillio

That's the frightening part of it.

TXgolfer

Totally aware of that.

You would have to ask the people that feel that way.

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TXgolfer

Again probably everyone agrees with that....but for different reasons

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posts from hell

Since Reba skipped answering my question....

I have no interest going forward in this discussion.

jillio

You are the one that said it held them back. I'm asking you how it would.

jillio

Yeah, my question regarding the biological/medical research was ignored too. Says a lot, doesn't it?

FireTiger

Well, yes and no, there are genetic conditions that causes sex traits to be crossed, the current definition stands in courts...

Yes sex ( XX or XY or (XXX,XXY,X0) ) and gender (girls should like pink, boys should like blue- social) are different, I'll stand by 'gender assigned' however because if both sets are considered functional, it is up to the parents to decide what to do (leave both or 'gender assign').

[BIOLOGY]

xo
xxy
xyy

are some examples of funny things that can happen on the way to knowing sex.

we are not 'programed' female it so much as it is that the 'x' chromosomes carry the coding for other major organs so that if there are no 'x' chromosomes present there is no life (in non monotremes mammals) - without a 'y' chromosome the default condition is -considered- female in mammals (X0) would be a not-fertile female.

(aside) 'programed' and 'default condition' may mean the same for most normal non-sleep deprived people... I see a little gnome or something sitting there typing code... Apperently neither is true. Chromosomal Sex Determination in Mammals - Developmental Biology - NCBI Bookshelf -skim the whole thing, its neat. -(/aside)

(why particular types of genetic disorders only show up in the maternal carrier's sons)

(Birds are the opposite, male unless specified female and some reptiles are really odd - an the monotremes... uggg - this is my degree...)

[/BIOLOGY]

(then again it's also 2 AM and odd things are in my head... )

So it probably come down to what gender they had been self ID as, if opposite then nobody cares, if they both claim to be the same gender some people care (but not me).

TXgolfer

Judging what I have heard from other....many in the gay community in fact.

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TXgolfer

Yes, it says you should start a different thread

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