What Is the Big Deal With Gay Marriage? - Page 12

**Reba** · 10-25-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

I believe I know of one candidate for President who is against the separation of Church and State. He seems to have forgotten why colonists left the Old World to come to the New World and why the the First amendment was written in the first place.

Which candidate?

The First Amendment was written in order to keep government out of religion, and to prohibit a tax-supported state church such as they had experienced in England.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Or any other behavior we "sanction". But in this case it would be refusing to endorse a behavior.

Rather a paternalistic and ethnocentric belief, isn't it? "Just because I say it is wrong, it is wrong, period! I don't care if I don't even know you, I still have the right to determine your behavior and your lifestyle just because I don't like it."

jillio · 10-25-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Your assumptions and interpretations of what I post are inaccurate. If you truly believe that my words can stand alone, why do you feel it necessary to add the editorial comments?

In that case, I guess you didn't either. Secular preaching is still preaching.

Snarkiness and condescension is so unbecoming.

I'm making no decisions for others. Each person decides how to vote and how to live. People are free to incorporate religious beliefs or non-religious beliefs in their decision making.

I don't tell you how to make your decisions, or what to use in the decision-making process.

I like the Scriptures to be quoted accurately and completely without paraphrasing and editing.

Why does my opinion need confirmation? People can read my posts for themselves.

Again, that's your personal opinion. I don't "use religion as an excuse."

Guess what? I really don't care what you "suggest." I'm not one of your clients.

Religious discussion is a two-way street. I guess you would like it if I just sit by quietly while others can say whatever they want about God, Jesus, and the Bible.

Fine. Keep bringing religion into it as your sole reason for opposition. And I will keep seeing as I see it, and others will as well. Just accept responsibility for the fact that people are seeing what you are choosing to portray.

**Reba** · 10-25-2011, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Fine. Keep bringing religion into it as your sole reason for opposition. And I will keep seeing as I see it, and others will as well. Just accept responsibility for the fact that people are seeing what you are choosing to portray.

I'm not posting here for ego satisfaction or to impress anyone.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I'm not posting here for ego satisfaction or to impress anyone.

Who said you were? You are obviously posting, at least in this thread, to preach your religious convictions. And then getting upset when it is recognized that is what you are doing.

**TXgolfer** · 10-25-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Rather a paternalistic and ethnocentric belief, isn't it? "Just because I say it is wrong, it is wrong, period! I don't care if I don't even know you, I still have the right to determine your behavior and your lifestyle just because I don't like it."

Nope, again we each are entitled to vote for the type of country we want to live in. If people don't want their country to endorse something they find immoral they have every right to vote that way no matter what their opinion is based on.

That is really all that needs to be said. Welcome to America

see you at the polls.

Ildri · 10-25-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Oh goody! I will send my goons.

So you don't agree with our right to protest peacefully, just because we're supporting something you oppose?

jillio · 10-25-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Nope, again we each are entitled to vote for the type of country we want to live in. If people don't want their country to endorse something they find immoral they have every right to vote that way no matter what their opinion is based on.

That is really all that needs to be said. Welcome to America

see you at the polls.

Yep. Like I said. Completely paternalistic and ethnocentric and morally imperialistic. What a shame that there are still people who consider such negative practices to be acceptable. As long as they are the ones engaging in it.

whatdidyousay! · 10-25-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by naisho

Some Christians may see it as sin spreading around them and don't like it. Some people do something about that or some choose to adapt to it. Some intend to challenge things or fix humanity for the greater good (Christ).

It's like saying that you're living in a regular neighborhood, and then someone who doesn't share the same ideas as you moves in the neighborhood. It may be that you might not be concerned, but for example if you can picture someone could be an ex-convict who believes in killing people in wars for a reason or believe in pro-birth or pro-abortion, or pro PETA or someone who was into animal beastality moving in the neighborhood.

I'm not saying these are the same as gays or homosexuals, just saying they just share an idea that you might not find welcoming. What would ya do about it?

It's a tough question, and I don't think everyone would answer it in the same way...

Just giving you insight to why some Christians may feel differently than others who don't see why.

What do mean by a regular neighborhood?? .

**shel90** · 10-25-2011, 06:39 PM

If I wanted to marry a woman (I am a woman), I sure as hell wouldnt want some of you dictating my rights to whoever I want to marry. If I marry a woman, who am I hurting? Who?

whatdidyousay! · 10-25-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny_signs

Reba, you say your conscience make you vote against legislation which harm others. This include gay people? Or only straight people / people you deem worthy not be harmed?

I do not know how someone can have a clear conscience voting against two people loving one another! There is too much hate and fear going around already, I see no sin in two men or women getting married . I think it's horrible when a person is not allowed to see a dying partner because they're not considered a famliy member. To me that is wrong. We should be cerebrating
love not trying to stop it! Gee I still sound like a hippie!! Good for me!

**sallylou** · 10-25-2011, 07:15 PM

It's the older generation that has a problem with gay marriage. When they die, my generation and younger people will take care of it.

rolling7 · 10-25-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I have lived in dry cities and counties. There are a lot of laws on the books that are never enforced. You might want to do a Google search regarding some of the silly laws that are still on the books that never get enforced.

But again...you are using strawman arguments. We are not discussing alcohol or the laws pertaining to such. We are talking about homosexual marriage.

I'm well aware that you can't come up with a legal support for your objection. That is the whole point. Your objection is emotional and based on prejudice, discrimination, and personal belief systems. That is exactly why your arguments are moot.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that you have objections to the Civil Rights Act. It simply confirms what I have believed all along.

I quote you: We are talking about homosexual marriage. There is no such thing, so why talk about it. You want to talk about homosexual sexual relations? Feel free to do so. You want to tall about civil unions? Feel free to do so. But don't talk about something that does not exist (Halloween must be getting to you!)

**Banjo** · 10-25-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

I quote you: We are talking about homosexual marriage. There is no such thing, so why talk about it. You want to talk about homosexual sexual relations? Feel free to do so. You want to tall about civil unions? Feel free to do so. But don't talk about something that does not exist (Halloween must be getting to you!)

It exists in Canada.

**TXgolfer** · 10-25-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ildri

So you don't agree with our right to protest peacefully, just because we're supporting something you oppose?

I think you missed Mr. Laffyface

**TXgolfer** · 10-25-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

It's the older generation that has a problem with gay marriage. When they die, my generation and younger people will take care of it.

I don't think so....But time will tell.

rolling7 · 10-25-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

It exists in Canada.

So move there, DC will welcome you.

My bad! You already are there.

**TXgolfer** · 10-25-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yep. Like I said. Completely paternalistic and ethnocentric and morally imperialistic. What a shame that there are still people who consider such negative practices to be acceptable. As long as they are the ones engaging in it.

Kind of a shame you are in a thread bashing opinions the OP requested.....but such is life

It's funny you are accusing Reba of pushing her views on others, while you attempt to push your views.

All Reba did was answer the OP and other direct questions. I only see one side pushing views.

**Banjo** · 10-25-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

So move there, DC will welcome you.

My bad! You already are there.

Pfft.

Not that it matters but I got married last year and no, it wasn't someone of the same sex. Just because I believe people should be granted the right to marry someone of the same sex doesn't mean I am gay. I have several family relatives and friends who are. I attended a same-sex wedding last month and it was lovely and nothing out of ordinary.

Same-sex marriage didn't "exist" in Canada until a few years ago. Same-sex marriage licenses already are granted in some of the states. It's still not recognized by the federal government. That may change someday though.

Ildri · 10-25-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

I quote you: We are talking about homosexual marriage. There is no such thing, so why talk about it. You want to talk about homosexual sexual relations? Feel free to do so. You want to tall about civil unions? Feel free to do so. But don't talk about something that does not exist (Halloween must be getting to you!)

It exists in several countries and some US states.

**sallylou** · 10-25-2011, 07:45 PM

Enough already with the poetic pearl "time will tell." Are you the AD magic 8 ball?

**TXgolfer** · 10-25-2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Enough already with the poetic pearl "time will tell." Are you the AD magic 8 ball?

No, Just an ASIA fan.

**sallylou** · 10-25-2011, 07:57 PM

I wouldn't admit that if I were you.

**KarissaMann05** · 10-25-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

I didn't say that I didn't believe them--you haven't posted any yet. When you post them, I can read them.

I wasn't expecting the private stories of friends but I thought you might be able to find public news stories about such events.

I did. I already searched public news stories and articles... I edited my previous post for clarity. And, if you never heard of them that doesn't mean they are not there...

**TXgolfer** · 10-25-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

I wouldn't admit that if I were you.

Sadly I loved them as a kid.

**Reba** · 10-25-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Who said you were? You are obviously posting, at least in this thread, to preach your religious convictions. And then getting upset when it is recognized that is what you are doing.

Upset? Not in the least.

Tousi · 10-25-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Who said you were? You are obviously posting, at least in this thread, to preach your religious convictions. And then getting upset when it is recognized that is what you are doing.

She was not; she spent all of her time blunting the crap you were sending her way.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rolling7

I quote you: We are talking about homosexual marriage. There is no such thing, so why talk about it. You want to talk about homosexual sexual relations? Feel free to do so. You want to tall about civil unions? Feel free to do so. But don't talk about something that does not exist (Halloween must be getting to you!)

We are talking about it in terms of social justice and the probability of it being a reality in the very near future for residents of all states. But, you have once again mispoken, because there are states in which gay marriage is indeed a reality. In fact, there are entire countries where it is a reality.

The states which endorse gay marriage do not provide a license of civil union. They provide a marriage license. Your attempt at semantic games has backfired on you.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

She was not; she spent all of her time blunting the crap you were sending her way.

Why? Because I refuse to accept a religious belief that does not apply to all for a legal premise that does? There is a reason that you are allowed to choose your religion but laws apply to all equally.

jillio · 10-25-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

It exists in Canada.

Thank you. I tried to tell him it was a reality in entire countries, and also in specific states here. He just doesn't seem to get it. He is hooked on semantics.

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