yizuman

this is the brother of rahm emanuel not liking the spotlight being pointed at him.......we are in trouble folks

For the hearing and hoh, watch this...


I'm hoh, can't hear alot of it to make a transcript, so if anyone can, please post one, we'd appreciate it.

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yizuman

then we have obama's new science czar.....john holdren who co-authored a book in the 70's called ecoscience

in that book he wrote that

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

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yizuman

the other author of the book ecoscience was one paul ehrlich.......of the club of rome

the same club of rome who tell us they came up with the idea of global warming

“The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome

notice again.....they tell us..."WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA"

it's a small world at the top ...that's for sure

and......we....ladies and gentlemen are living through the changes they foist on us......it's all a eugenics agenda...with the environment as the big stick and rallying point to bring it about

that is why we are all in unity talking about climate change,the environment,recycling.....we are all being manipulated

go find out for yourselves....you will see it all around you

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yizuman

Now read this regarding this science czar....it's a real doozy...

Hot Button - Washington Times

President Obama's top science adviser has toyed with extreme measures of population control, even suggesting in one book how to make it more publicly acceptable for the government to spike drinking water in order to sterilize people.

John P. Holdren, named as Mr. Obama's science "czar" earlier this year, described this in a book he wrote with Paul Ehrlich -- author of the "Population Bomb," which predicted masses would starve due to exploitation of resources through the 1980s -- about the world's rapidly increasing population. In the 1977 tome "Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment," Mr. Holdren and Mr. Ehrlich, in addition to Mr. Ehrlich's wife, Anne, considered various ways to keep growth in check.

Several selections from the book have been highlighted at blogs critical of Mr. Holdren, particularly passages that appear to advocate sterilization, forced abortions and consideration of an "armed international organization, a global analogue of a police force" for population enforcement capabilities.

Although controversial, Mr. Holdren and the Ehrlichs argued such policies "could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society," in a section titled "Population Law."

At one point, the scientists discussed the benefits of a future sterilization mechanism that "could be implanted at puberty and might be removable, with official permission for a limited number of births."

Later, the writers considered putting sterlization additives into drinking water and foods, acknowledging the notion "seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control," but speculating that the public would be more open to it if developers could guarantee it was "free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock."

Other ideas bandied about to lower the population included giving incentives to encourage late marriage and childlessness, such as a bonus for women who put off marriage until they are older than 25 and lotteries for childless adults, because, according to the authors, "Social pressures on both men and women to marry and have children must be removed."

When asked whether Mr. Holdren's thoughts on population control have changed over the years, his staff gave The Washington Times a statement that said, "This material is from a three-decade-old, three-author college textbook. Dr. Holdren addressed this issue during his confirmation when he said he does not believe that determining optimal population is a proper role of government. Dr. Holdren is not and never has been an advocate for policies of forced sterilization."

Sen. David Vitter, Louisiana Republican, did ask Mr. Holdren during his confirmation whether he thought "determining optimal population is a proper role of the government." Mr. Holdren said he did not.

The White House also passed along a statement from the Ehrlichs that said, in part, "anybody who actually wants to know what we and/or Professor Holdren believe and recommend about these matters would presumably read some of the dozens of publications that we and he separately have produced in more recent times, rather than going back a third of a century to find some formulations in an encyclopedic textbook where description can be misrepresented as endorsement."

Obama and abortion

Pro-life Republicans think President Obama's health care plan is certain to cover abortion unless Congress specifically bars it from being included in the legislation now being drafted for the government-sponsored program.

Other government health programs have covered abortion until Congress instructed them otherwise. Critics cite previous bouts with Medicaid and Indian Health Services as the top examples of this.

Medicaid covered abortion from 1973 to 1976 until Congress, led by Republican former Rep. Henry J. Hyde of Illinois, changed Medicaid rules to prohibit it from doing so. Congress needed to make similar legislative changes after the fact to stop Indian Health Services from providing abortion as well.

"In both of these cases, explicit exclusions had to be added to ensure that taxpayers would not have to continue to pay for abortions," said Republican Rep. Joe Pitts, Pennsylvania Republican, at a Tuesday press conference organized to draw attention to the potential prob- lem with Mr. Obama's plan.

"The issue here is clear: If abortion is not explicitly excluded, it is implicitly included," he said.

Two bills are currently being moved, one through the Senate and another through the House as a part of the White House's fast-track strategy for the bill. National Right to Life Director Douglas Johnson said, "The pro-life movement needs to go to Threat-Level-Red status on this," pointing out that the Senate's health care committee last week rejected amendments that would strip abortion accommodations from the bill.

But the pro-lifers do have some Democrats on their side. Nineteen House Democrats wrote to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in late June to say, "We cannot support any health care reform proposal unless it explicitly excludes abortion from the scope of any government-defined or subsidized health insurance plan."

Among the Democrats signing were Reps. Dan Boren of Oklahoma, Bart Stupak of Michigan, and John P. Murtha of Pennsylvania.

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yizuman

Google "United Nations' International Conference on Population and Development"...

In 1994, various world leaders and other well known influences like Al Gore attended that UN conference and they all sat down to discuss ways to control the growth of human population in order to preserve the food supply, water consumption, the ecosystem and wildlife.

Seems that these things are far more important than preserving the life of a human being.

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This is a transcription of Anton Chaitkin's statement to the council, which is in the video:


This link also includes the comments made by council members, including Ezekiel Emanuel, after Chaitkin's statement, also included in this thread's video:

Political Forums - Politico.com - POLITICO.com

Reba

This is the quote to which Chaitkin refers in his statement:

yizuman

Thank you Reba for the transcript....

Do you all realize and understand the ramification of this plan if it were to move forward? People like me and you and all those with various disabilities are facing grave danger of being euthanized, all in the name of saving that almighty dollar. Those so called trillion of dollars that was mentioned in the transcript.

They are blaming on the "useless eaters" for the destruction of the economy. Hitler said the exact same thing, blaming Jews, Blacks, the elderly, the terminally ill, the disabled and so on for the faltering economy. Being born and having health problems cost money and they want to trim that out by "trimming" out worthless people.

And let's not forget those who have died while being labeled as a "useless eater" during the days of the failed Third Reich...

Rena, if you could please, transcript this or (I haven't figured out how to caption the video, but I understand it's possible to download and caption it and re-upload it for the rest to see and "read", as it were.


Very informative video and one not to repeat ever again....

Yiz

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yizuman

Keep in mind, this is just the early stages of what's progressing. It took Hitler 20 years for his plan to come into full effect with the Holocaust. He had to get rid of alot of oppositions before he became a full fledged dictator.

If Obama wants to pull this off, he'll have to do the same thing here as well. His main opposition is the Republicans. So in order for his plan to be fully accepted, the Republican party as a whole, in all 50 states will have to be reduced or nearly eliminated (i.e. by election, the Democrats will have to somehow convince the voters to vote out the Republican Party). Then he'll have to alot of propaganda to do in order to get Americans to accept his plan.

I have some doubts that Obama will pull it off, given that his popularity poll is waning. But who knows what will happen in the next 4 to 8 years? He's only been in office 6 months now. He may surprise us. If not Obama, it may end up be someone else.

Nonetheless, we need to keep a watchful eye on our government. We can't afford to be disbelieving that it can happen here. The Government back in 1942 first heard "rumors" of Germany killing Jews, they couldn't believe it a first, thinking humans are incapable of committing such evil. It wasn't until 1945, at the last leg of the war, the death camps was finally discovered. Our government made a mistake in disbelieving that this could happen and we can't afford to make the same mistake twice.

So, in the meantime, we'll just have to watch, wait and hope we can stop this repeat from happening again.

Yiz

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I haven't found the transcript for your latest video but I did find a related video that has subtitles. The parts of the video where there are no subtitles just have music in the background. The music includes typical Wagnerian songs that were popular with the Nazis, and "Lili Marleen". There is also some screaming in the background.

This video describes Hitler's "useless eaters" policy.

The First To Go - Video

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yizuman

Very good find. Appreciate that. Pretty close to what the other video says. LOL I like the ending of the video.

Yiz

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yizuman

Hello and goodbye.

I hate short conversations.

Yiz

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C.C.Sinned

any of the agenda mentioned in this thread happening is highly doubtful. in anyway shape or form.

to "pull it off" Obama would have to completely change our government within the next 3 years. Over run every republican, many democrats, have an iron grip on the military and have himself declared dictator. .

if he started trying to pull that stuff, even Obama's supporters wouldn't vote for him again. He could never win the next election otherwise. So I say no way will the Obamamessiah ever reach that kind power.

Many voters drank the Kool Aid but most are starting to see things for what they really are....



I may not be an Obama fan but I don't see him completely changing our government...

yizuman

Like I said, I have my doubts. But in any rate, we'll just have to wait and see. 6 months in office isn't much.

Yiz

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Eugenic law is already on the books. There are other laws that tie up the eugenic law. I can see that all one have to do is to reverse those laws that tied up the eugenic law to get the sterlizations up and going.

I don't like the eugenic law. I prefer that they don't go looking for vaccine the next time there is an outbreak of some new virus. That way one doesn't pick and choose who get to be sterilized. Let the Almighty pick and choose who get to live and who get to die. That is far better for us than for someone to decide on who get to have children or not and even who get to live or who get to die.

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Oceanbreeze

Not only that, but the OP apparently got this from Youtube. Hardly a reliable source to base a theory on.

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rockdrummer

At first I had high hopes for Obama. Assuming all of this is true (it appears to be) I am really starting to wonder about this guy.

rockin'robin

Count me in, too.....I try to be optimistic....it gets darker before the storm.

Reba

The meeting that was portrayed on the first video was authentic.

HHS Names Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research

Chaitkin's testimony was exactly what I posted in the transcript.

Those sources, and Dr. Emanuel's viewpoints are on record at several sites.

It's the interpretations and conclusions of those sources that are debatable.

Reba

My opinion:

I don't think Obama will try to push an active eugenics program as such.

However, his medical plan will include limitations on medical services for the people. That means, if a person is deemed "not worthy" of expensive treatment, then treatment thru the plan will be denied.

"Not worthy" people will include those who are "too old", "too far gone", or not living in a a healthy manner (drug and alcohol abuse, overeating, not exercising, etc.).

That means, limitations on quality of life procedures (hip and knee replacements), and life saving procedures (organ transplants), among other things.

Examples of this can be seen in England's health care system. It's a rationing of health care services.

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You can see why I am constantly advocating against Eugenics in any such form & shape.

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C.C.Sinned

not a very socking agenda coming from a narcissist like the Obamamessiah


How does that Kool Aid taste now?

Reba

Absolutely.

Reba

I think it's not so much changing the government as it is changing the public's viewpoint. In order for any kind of eugenics program to be passed, the public must first accept the philosophy that it's for the good of the people (majority).

That will be a little harder to make convincing in American society where traditionally we have emphasized the value of the individual. Other societies, such as China, focus on the value of the societal group over the value of the individual. That's why China was able to pass it's "one child per couple" law with little opposition in their country.

But, as the example of the German students showed, the indoctrination begins with the children. In the Hitler era schools, children's math classes included word problems that compared the monetary value of a healthy worker to a handicapped non-worker, as though people were just accounting ciphers.

If our government schools begin indoctrinating children to think more about their society than the individual, then the seeds of eugenics can be sown. If you think that can't happen, observe how children are currently indoctrinated about global warming, and how awful big, bad America is to other countries.

I don't think Obama's agenda will be as blatant as Hitler's. Obama's plans will be more subtle but still effective.

I hope that I'm wrong.

Reba

I'll let Dr. Emanuel speak for himself:

The red highlighted areas are mine.

More of his words:

NEJM -- What Are the Potential Cost Savings from Legalizing Physician-Assisted Suicide?

Reba

For comparison:

Nazi Racial Policy

More:

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kokonut

Here's the transcript for that YouTube video. Full transcript can be found here - http://www.hhs.gov/recovery/programs...ipt_june10.doc :

DR. CONWAY: So we'll do the same format. It will be three minutes, and then time for questions. We'll start with Mr. Chaitkin.
MR. CHAITKIN: Anton Chaitkin. I'm a historian and a history editor for Executive Intelligence Review. President Obama has put in place a reform apparatus reviving the euthanasia of Hitler Germany in 1939 that began the genocide there.
The apparatus here is to deny medical care to elderly, chronically ill, and poor people, and thus save, as the President says, $2- to $3 trillion by taking lives considered not worthy to be lived, as the Nazi doctors said.
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel and other avowed cost-cutters on this panel also lead a propaganda movement for euthanasia headquartered at the Hastings Center, of which Dr. Emanuel is a fellow. They shape public opinion and the medical profession to accept a death culture, such as the Washington State law passed in November to let physicians help kill patients whose medical care is now rapidly being withdrawn in the universal health disaster.
Dr. Emanuel's movement for bioethics and euthanasia, and this Council's purpose, directly continue the eugenics movement that organized Hitler's killing of patients, and then other costly and supposedly unworthy people. Dr. Emanuel wrote last October 12th that a crisis, war, and financial collapse would get the frightened public to accept the program.
Hitler told Dr. Brandt, his in 1935 that the euthanasia program would have to wait until the war began to get the public to go along. Dr. Emanuel wrote last year that the Hippocratic oath should be junked. Doctors should no longer just serve the needs of the patient. Hoche and Binding, the German eugenicists, exactly said the same thing to start the killing.
You on the Council are drawing up the procedures to list to be used to deny care, which will kill millions if it goes ahead in the present world crash. You think perhaps the backing of powerful men, financiers, will shield you from accountability, but you are now in the spotlight.
Disband this Council and reverse the whole course of this Nazi revival now.
DR. CONWAY: Thank you.

8 MINUTES LATER……..

A quick break. I'm going to ask for questions and comments.
Ms. Zuckerman, if you can come up, and I'm opening it up to the panel. Yes, we are still going to Ms. Williams, you are still going to get to talk. I'm going to ask Ms. Zuckerman to come up and join you.
We're going to take a quick stop in the panel to open it up for comments or questions, because we have a few folks who have to potentially go. The whole transcript will be available, though, and all comments will be shared with all Council members.
DR. EMANUEL: I apologize that I have to go back to an important meeting. I do want to just clarify one thing about my own since my reputation has been besmirched here, is I think I do have a very long record of writing against the legalization of euthanasia.
So the association of me and that seemed a little strange given I don't know at least 30 years or 25 years of writing on the topic, against the legalization. So just to clarify the record for everyone in the room.
Thank you.
MR. CHAITKIN: You stated that you were opposed to assisted suicide, but that you are in favor of the withdrawal of medical care, which accomplishes the same thing. So you had this article?
DR. CONWAY: Sir, your statement was read into the record. It's not the time for debate, but we appreciate your comments. And we apologize for the break in the panel, but we just wanted to have that break.

yizuman

Thank you for the full transcript.

Now you see how they are avoiding the spotlight they have been put on. They don't like their hidden agenda being exposed for the nation as well as the world to see.

Hopefully this will put off their so called "program" in the back burner for the time being, but they'll be back, sooner or later.

Yiz

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Thanks for sharing. It is still a touchy issue here in Canada since two of our provinces ended the eugenics program in 1972 and 1986.

* shudders *

But Reba is right, it starts with putting societal values ahead of individual rights. That's why so many non-Canadians have a hard time wrapping their head around why minorities still have problems in Canada and are lagging behind the Americans.

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