jillio

Autism and the other disorders in the autism spectrum are behaviorally defined syndromes that are now generally regarded to be of neurobiological origin.
Autism is not caused by inappropriate parenting or other psychosocial variables in the home life of the developing child.

The specific underlying psychological or neuro-physiological mechanisms are simply not known. Although a number of different theories have been put forward, none has withstood closer scrutiny. Probably several causes and etiological pathways lead to disorders in the autism spectrum. There is no reason to suppose there is only one pathway. The search must continue.

CCBS: Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) for Autism treatment and Early Behavioral Intervention

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webexplorer

Here is the link that you might be interested to read. A coverup for a cause of Autism? - Morning Joe- msnbc.com

jillio

Still does not support mercury in vaccines as a cause for autism. Nor is it a scientific link.

But we are getting way off topic.

webexplorer

We better stop it here. Perhaps, we could create a new subject later. Enjoy your day!

Jiro

it's still anecdotes, not professional medical opinion.

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Reba

It is legal for Nurse Practitioners:

Nurse practitioner (NP) Information on Healthline

Jiro

there you go - nurse cannot give medical advice.

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Reba

I'm not sure what you're saying.

Nurse Practitioners can give medical advice, so are you referring to RN's and LPN's only?

Jiro

but I don't see in the list where a nurse can give medical advice to patient. for further clarification - it's medical advice as in medical consultation.

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kokonut

Yeah, I wondered about that. Nurses cannot give medical advice?

Reba

I would call this "medical advice to a patient":

* Diagnosing, treating, and managing diseases
* Providing prescriptions and coordinating referrals
* Promoting healthy activities together with the patient


My Nurse Practitioner is my primary care physician at the VA clinic. She advises me to take the Calcium + D for my osteopenia, and she writes the prescription for it. She advises me when to get a bone scan, mammogram, and blood tests. She advises me when to see specialists and makes the referrals. She advises me about which shots I should get, and makes the orders for them.

kokonut

Very good, Reba. You make it very clear. It's already obvious that nurses can give out medical advice to patients.

Jiro

interesting..... As far as I'm concerned - nurse cannot make diagnosis nor write prescription. Otherwise..... what's the point of being a doctor?

* Diagnosing, treating, and managing diseases - yes - to take routine check and prepare summary report before doctor comes in
* Providing prescriptions and coordinating referrals - yes - like a secretary - she/he writes down on prescription/report based on what the doctor says and then the doctor signs it off
* Promoting healthy activities together with the patient - yes - as per doctor's instruction and to give further clarification on doctor's instruction to patients.

all of these activities lift a huge amount of burden from doctors as there are many patients to see in a short time.

Now I wonder - does nurse at private hospital (or non-VA clinic) do the same duty (as listed in your post) as the nurse at VA clinic?

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Reba

An RN or LPN can't but an NP can make a diagnosis and can write prescriptions.

When seeing an NP, one doesn't see another doctor. The NP is the "doctor." The NP calls in a doctor only if additional consultation is required, same as MD's do.


An NP is not a secretary. The NP determines what medicine is required, fills out the prescription, signs it, then gives it to the patient.


Nope. As per the NP's determination of what the patient needs.


That's why there are more NP's. They fill the position of physician.

Yes, they do.

You better get used to it. It will become more necessary as time goes by, and there won't be enough MD's available. There will be more NP's and PA's (Physician's Assistant) taking care of your primary health needs.

Jiro

ah-ha. for further clarification. Something new I learned today. Never knew about NP. I don't have problem with NP or PA treating me as long as they're legally allowed to do so. Bottom line - we both are correct about nurses. The nurses I was talking about are RN and LPN and you're talking about NP which I didn't know about.

Now that brings me to next question for webexplorer. What kind of nurse were they when webexplorer talked to them?

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kokonut

Excellent replies, Reba. You sure know your stuff.

Jiro

hope you learned something from her.

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jillio

Nurse practitioners have a Ph.D. in Nursing Science. They are able to perform many duties that an RN or an LPN can't as a result of their advanced training. Generally, nurse practitioners are independent practitioners. RNs and LPNs are not. They are limited in their scope and must be under direct supervision at all times. Nor are they referred to as "nurses". Their whole title is used.

If you go back and read the posts, it is obvious that webexplorer was referring to an LPN or an RN, not a Nurse Practitioner.

jillio

I doubt it.