eugenics anyone? - Page 3

yizuman · 10-23-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

What exactly does that have to do with eugenics? I was talking about health care, you are talking about paychecks and taxes.

You gave an example of evil, I was giving another example of what evil also look like. Apparently "example" isn't in your vocabulary. I was talking a little bit on the wayside.

Yiz

yizuman · 10-23-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Yiz, you sound a little depressed. Are you ok? Seriously, I'm concerned. I know that you're dealing with a lot of personal issues and it's hard.

Depressed no, getting sick and tired of greedy people getting us on the take, yes. Life is hard when some things comes along that we can't afford, such as insurance for example. My wife's lucky she has both medicare and medicaid, as for me, if anything happens to me, I'm screwed.

Yiz

yizuman · 10-23-2009, 02:45 PM

Sorry for being off topic, I was siting some examples of evil as it was mentioned.

Yiz

jillio · 10-23-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

You gave an example of evil, I was giving another example of what evil also look like. Apparently "example" isn't in your vocabulary. I was talking a little bit on the wayside.

Yiz

Yes, example is in my vocabulary. So is "fallicious comparison." And "off topic".

And I did not refer to evil. I was responding to Maria's accusation of evil. And it was kept in terms of eugenics.

jillio · 10-23-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by yizuman

Depressed no, getting sick and tired of greedy people getting us on the take, yes. Life is hard when some things comes along that we can't afford, such as insurance for example. My wife's lucky she has both medicare and medicaid, as for me, if anything happens to me, I'm screwed.

Yiz

Given those circumstances, it would make you a prime example of someone who supports health care reform.

Bottesini · 10-23-2009, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Given those circumstances, it would make you a prime example of someone who supports health care reform.

"Should support."

jillio · 10-23-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

"Should support."

Corrected.

Bottesini · 10-23-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Corrected.

Welcome, soon I will get so stressed that I will begin posting my running sheep pictures.

jillio · 10-23-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Welcome, soon I will get so stressed that I will begin posting my running sheep pictures.

Sorry if I am contributing to that stress level!

Bottesini · 10-23-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Sorry if I am contributing to that stress level!

You didn't start it. So I will now leave and do a few chores to stay out of it.

jillio · 10-23-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

You didn't start it. So I will now leave and do a few chores to stay out of it.

You are such a wise woman!

sallylou · 10-23-2009, 05:14 PM

Not having adequate insurance is very stressful. Even if a person has insurance, it doesn't mean that the person can afford treatment. It's like walking a tight rope without a net. Personally, I think that not having to worry about being bankrupted by medical bills would help lower everyone's stress level.

Bottesini · 10-23-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Not having adequate insurance is very stressful. Even if a person has insurance, it doesn't mean that the person can afford treatment. It's like walking a tight rope without a net. Personally, I think that not having to worry about being bankrupted by medical bills would help lower everyone's stress level.

Me too.

jillio · 10-23-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Not having adequate insurance is very stressful. Even if a person has insurance, it doesn't mean that the person can afford treatment. It's like walking a tight rope without a net. Personally, I think that not having to worry about being bankrupted by medical bills would help lower everyone's stress level.

Absolutely. And in lowering stress levels, we also improve health. Cortisol produced by constant stress does untold damage to our bodies.

dogmom · 10-23-2009, 05:46 PM

when I broke my arm a couple of years ago, we had catastrophic hospital insurance only; husband had lost his job in that last several months. We had just purchased individual, personal insurance before my arm, but hubby has many pre-existing conditions and plans won't cover him much. We ended up paying for most everything after initial surgery to fix my arm. Hubby has been variously laid off for about 2 years now, some contract-to-hire jobs coming in; one job he was actually hired at but then w/the recession they ended up letting lotta people go, including him, since he was so new. Currently hubby has new contract-to-hire job again which he really likes. We are very hopeful for this to work out. He has sleep apnea and has major problems w/his feet and knees and needs to see podiatrist; the brace the podiatrist prescribed for him the year before he first lost his job<before my arm mentioned above> is no longer as beneficial as it once was. The brace was the last step before surgery, according to podiatrist, who says he has physically "deformed" feet internally, part of issues w/his birth mother having had Rubella.
It has indeed been very stressful, especially with trying all these different insurance companies for him, trying to see if any will cover him, and they keep having to do all these exams each time he applies.

webexplorer · 10-25-2009, 03:50 PM

I believe that the Swine Flu shots and vaccine shots will sweep them off by reducing the population so that the government will have easy to eliminate a list of the health problems (included Medicare and Medicaid patients). It's because it's free for anyone to get the shots. That's what they get older and have health problems and die earlier in order for the government to spend the money for something else instead of helping them. It's a perfect example of the Nazi to eliminate our "handicapped" people. (Some people talked about this issue, and I agreed with them.)

H1N1 and vaccine shots contain mercury and inks in them. H1N1 is exact another name for Swine because the swine (birds) slaughters ordered the government not to say the word for Swine because they did not want to loose their slaughter business. The government had to change it from Swine and Pig to H1N1.

Reba · 10-25-2009, 06:16 PM

Swine are pigs, not birds.

webexplorer · 10-25-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Swine are pigs, not birds.

Oops! Yes, you are right. Actually, I should have written down Avian Flu instead of Swine. I was thinking of Swans that I saw at a park today. It was a beautiful day. Thanks, Reba.

sallylou · 10-25-2009, 08:18 PM

webexplorer, those are some interesting allegations. Do you have any facts to back these allegations up? Or are these allegations merely your opinion?

The decision about vaccination is far more complicated than you realize. I had seasonable flu shots during both of my pregnancies without any problems. I was concerned with schizophrenia, which two members of my extended family have. Prenatal influenza exposure increases the risk of schizophrenia from 3 fold to 7 fold depending on the timing of the prenatal exposure.

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The risk of schizophrenia was increased 7-fold for influenza exposure during the first trimester. There was no increased risk of schizophrenia with influenza during the second or third trimester. With the use of a broader gestational period of influenza exposure-early to midpregnancy-the risk of schizophrenia was increased 3-fold. The findings persisted after adjustment for potential confounders. CONCLUSIONS: These findings represent the first serologic evidence that prenatal influenza plays a role in schizophrenia. If confirmed, the results may have implications for the prevention of schizophrenia and for unraveling pathogenic mechanisms of the disorder.

Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2004 Aug;61(8):774-80.
Serologic evidence of prenatal influenza in the et...[Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2004] - PubMed Result

There are many issues involved in vaccination. Consult your physician to determine the risks and benefits in your particular case.

jillio · 10-25-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

I believe that the Swine Flu shots and vaccine shots will sweep them off by reducing the population so that the government will have easy to eliminate a list of the health problems (included Medicare and Medicaid patients). It's because it's free for anyone to get the shots. That's what they get older and have health problems and die earlier in order for the government to spend the money for something else instead of helping them. It's a perfect example of the Nazi to eliminate our "handicapped" people. (Some people talked about this issue, and I agreed with them.)

H1N1 and vaccine shots contain mercury and inks in them. H1N1 is exact another name for Swine because the swine (birds) slaughters ordered the government not to say the word for Swine because they did not want to loose their slaughter business. The government had to change it from Swine and Pig to H1N1.

Mercury was taken out of vaccines several years ago. Today's vaccines do not contain mercury.

However, silver dental fillings do.

webexplorer · 10-25-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Mercury was taken out of vaccines several years ago. Today's vaccines do not contain mercury.

However, silver dental fillings do.

My nurse told me about it because her teenager son has autism from the vaccine. She trusted her family doctor, and not anymore. Also, my friend who bought my house has a son and a daughter - they are about six years old. Both have the shots in the same day two years ago. They have autism. Their mother is so furious with her trusted doctor. The vaccines are still included the mercury nowadays. The truth, many nurses do not know what's in the formula because the document has a long complex statement, and it is impossible for them to understand it. A very few doctors understand the document. The FDA still approved it. (Even, the doctors refused to give the vaccines to their children because they know it. The FDA prohibits all dentists and doctors to discuss with their patients about the mercury issue. Otherwise, their license will be suspended or terminated.)

I also learned from different health conferences in many places, and they repeated to tell people not to take the vaccines. Even, the flu shot does not really prove that it effect... Many people are hyper to take the shots because they believe on the news and the government announcements.

Many new dentists use the plastic fillings, but some of them don't tell their patients that they mixed with amalgam and plastic for a cheaper price. A few dentists use the implants with pure plastic or porcelain composite. Actually, a porcelain is better than a plastic. They are near perfect and much far better than the amalgam because they don't leak in the bloodstream. Some people who have the ill because their amalgam (mercury) is leaked in their bloodstream. Some feel that their mind is cloudy. It took about five years for me to clear up the mecury. I had a mercury blood test when I had the amalgam which was pretty high level in my body. I have the plastic fillings, and my mercury level is zero - unless I eat a fish which considered very small dose of mercury in my body. You probably know that mercury is almost everywhere in the air from coal electricity power plants...

jillio · 10-26-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

My nurse told me about it because her teenager son has autism from the vaccine. She trusted her family doctor, and not anymore. Also, my friend who bought my house has a son and a daughter - they are about six years old. Both have the shots in the same day two years ago. They have autism. Their mother is so furious with her trusted doctor. The vaccines are still included the mercury nowadays. The truth, many nurses do not know what's in the formula because the document has a long complex statement, and it is impossible for them to understand it. A very few doctors understand the document. The FDA still approved it. (Even, the doctors refused to give the vaccines to their children because they know it. The FDA prohibits all dentists and doctors to discuss with their patients about the mercury issue. Otherwise, their license will be suspended or terminated.)

I also learned from different health conferences in many places, and they repeated to tell people not to take the vaccines. Even, the flu shot does not really prove that it effect... Many people are hyper to take the shots because they believe on the news and the government announcements.

Many new dentists use the plastic fillings, but some of them don't tell their patients that they mixed with amalgam and plastic for a cheaper price. A few dentists use the implants with pure plastic or porcelain composite. Actually, a porcelain is better than a plastic. They are near perfect and much far better than the amalgam because they don't leak in the bloodstream. Some people who have the ill because their amalgam (mercury) is leaked in their bloodstream. Some feel that their mind is cloudy. It took about five years for me to clear up the mecury. I had a mercury blood test when I had the amalgam which was pretty high level in my body. I have the plastic fillings, and my mercury level is zero - unless I eat a fish which considered very small dose of mercury in my body. You probably know that mercury is almost everywhere in the air from coal electricity power plants...

It has been widely researched and investigated, and there has never been a link found between autism and the mercury they used to use in vaccines. Nor has there ever been a link found between mercury in dental fillings and any illness.

webexplorer · 10-26-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

It has been widely researched and investigated, and there has never been a link found between autism and the mercury they used to use in vaccines. Nor has there ever been a link found between mercury in dental fillings and any illness.

No, it is all lies from FDA and ADA (American Dentist Association).
It was the firsthand that came from many parents have autism children for years in different times and different places. The FDA and ADA won't admit it in order to avoid the lawsuits.

Amalgam is mercury, and it is the same way that our government officially banned all thermometers, CRTs, and TVs that they contain the mercury in it. Why some old fart dentists still use the amalgam in our people's teeth?

I am wondering that many nurses probably refuse to get the vaccines just because they know it. It is even that it is illegal for them to talk about it in the public. Just ask your favorite nurse about it. And, ask the nurse if she understands the formula statement from the vaccine package. You will be surprised that she will tell you.

In Europe, do they have the same vaccines that we have in our country? I don't know.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

No, it is all lies from FDA and ADA (American Dentist Association).
It was the firsthand that came from many parents have autism children for years in different times and different places. The FDA and ADA won't admit it in order to avoid the lawsuits.

Amalgam is mercury, and it is the same way that our government officially banned all thermometers, CRTs, and TVs that they contain the mercury in it. Why some old fart dentists still use the amalgam in our people's teeth?

I am wondering that many nurses probably refuse to get the vaccines just because they know it. It is even that it is illegal for them to talk about it in the public. Just ask your favorite nurse about it. And, ask the nurse if she understands the formula statement from the vaccine package. You will be surprised that she will tell you.

In Europe, do they have the same vaccines that we have in our country? I don't know.

Sorry, all you have is anecdote from untrained people. The FDA, the CDC, and the ADA all have scientific evidence.

Nurses are required to be vaccinated for numerous contagious illnesses as a condition of their license and employment.

I don't need to ask my favorite nurse about it. I have already asked my favorite doctor about it, and several other doctors as well.

webexplorer · 10-26-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Sorry, all you have is anecdote from untrained people. The FDA, the CDC, and the ADA all have scientific evidence.

Nurses are required to be vaccinated for numerous contagious illnesses as a condition of their license and employment.

I don't need to ask my favorite nurse about it. I have already asked my favorite doctor about it, and several other doctors as well.

You can believe your doctor whatever you want. You will be your own firsthand. I met the real people with autism children and some dentist patients. It has nothing to do with untrained people. I met two different nurses that talked about the vaccines, and they don't want the shots for their children because they work in a hospital for some twenty years. They said to use a common sense for everybody to wash their hands and face everyday. You know some men don't wash their hands in the bathroom. I learned from some people and several health conferences. Hope that helps.

Maybe, you might like to watch Dr. Oz on television that might be interesting for you to learn from him. It's up to you. He is a Jewish doctor, and perhaps you are Jewish. That would be cool for you. I really hope that someday you would consider attending a natural health conference in your area with an interpreter. That would be also cool for you. I hope that it is not that hard for you to try out to that conference.

P.S. I believe in both modern and alternative medicines in some ways.

Jiro · 10-26-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by webexplorer

You can believe your doctor whatever you want. You will be your own firsthand. I met the real people with autism children and some dentist patients. It has nothing to do with untrained people. I met two different nurses that talked about the vaccines, and they don't want the shots for their children because they work in a hospital for some twenty years. They said to use a common sense for everybody to wash their hands and face everyday. You know some men don't wash their hands in the bathroom. I learned from some people and several health conferences. Hope that helps.

Maybe, you might like to watch Dr. Oz on television that might be interesting for you to learn from him. It's up to you. He is a Jewish doctor, and perhaps you are Jewish. That would be cool for you. I really hope that someday you would consider attending a natural health conference in your area with an interpreter. That would be also cool for you. I hope that it is not that hard for you to try out to that conference.

P.S. I believe in both modern and alternative medicines in some ways.

FYI - you should NEVER EVER take any medical advice from a nurse. NEVER. It is illegal for nurse to offer any medical advice to people.

sallylou · 10-26-2009, 06:53 PM

Gee, I'm waiting for the radical hairy-legged feminist doctor myself. Just make her deaf and I'll be estatic!

jillio · 10-26-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

FYI - you should NEVER EVER take any medical advice from a nurse. NEVER. It is illegal for nurse to offer any medical advice to people.

Yep. Stepping outside their scope of practice.

But no matter. I will still take scientific evidence that can be replicated over anecdote from someone who does not have the education nor the training necessary to make that determination. Just because a parent has an autistic child does not mean that they are capable of determing what the cause of autism is, or even what doesn't cause it.

jillio · 10-26-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sallylou

Gee, I'm waiting for the radical hairy-legged feminist doctor myself. Just make her deaf and I'll be estatic!

I've got the radical, feminist doctor. She just doesn't have hairy legs and is not deaf.

webexplorer · 10-26-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

FYI - you should NEVER EVER take any medical advice from a nurse. NEVER. It is illegal for nurse to offer any medical advice to people.

I really mean that I met the nurses who have their autism children. They trusted their doctor. That's how everything is screwed up.

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dogmom Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,468	when I broke my arm a couple of years ago, we had catastrophic hospital insurance only; husband had lost his job in that last several months. We had just purchased individual, personal insurance before my arm, but hubby has many pre-existing conditions and plans won't cover him much. We ended up paying for most everything after initial surgery to fix my arm. Hubby has been variously laid off for about 2 years now, some contract-to-hire jobs coming in; one job he was actually hired at but then w/the recession they ended up letting lotta people go, including him, since he was so new. Currently hubby has new contract-to-hire job again which he really likes. We are very hopeful for this to work out. He has sleep apnea and has major problems w/his feet and knees and needs to see podiatrist; the brace the podiatrist prescribed for him the year before he first lost his job<before my arm mentioned above> is no longer as beneficial as it once was. The brace was the last step before surgery, according to podiatrist, who says he has physically "deformed" feet internally, part of issues w/his birth mother having had Rubella. It has indeed been very stressful, especially with trying all these different insurance companies for him, trying to see if any will cover him, and they keep having to do all these exams each time he applies.

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webexplorer I'm listening to everyone Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 4,504	I believe that the Swine Flu shots and vaccine shots will sweep them off by reducing the population so that the government will have easy to eliminate a list of the health problems (included Medicare and Medicaid patients). It's because it's free for anyone to get the shots. That's what they get older and have health problems and die earlier in order for the government to spend the money for something else instead of helping them. It's a perfect example of the Nazi to eliminate our "handicapped" people. (Some people talked about this issue, and I agreed with them.) H1N1 and vaccine shots contain mercury and inks in them. H1N1 is exact another name for Swine because the swine (birds) slaughters ordered the government not to say the word for Swine because they did not want to loose their slaughter business. The government had to change it from Swine and Pig to H1N1.