21's a Bust? Seven States Debate Lowering Drinking Age - Page 2

PowerON · 04-25-2008, 09:06 AM

If they decide to low to 18. Then it would be most tough for senior high school to graduate or not.

I always believe that 21 is fair and give bit mature.

PuyoPiyo · 04-25-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Wow, that's unbelieve but it seems like employee or this store don't follow their regulation, 25 is too above and you can ask Banjo for more information if he knows.

In USA, you need to be 17 years old to buy M-rated game and ID is required in most retail stores but some of them don't followed.

Sorry about little off topic.

Yeah not all business would follow the laws, if we look at the business how their works doing carefully.

Banjo · 04-25-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pacman

Wow, that's unbelieve but it seems like employee or this store don't follow their regulation, 25 is too above and you can ask Banjo for more information if he knows.

In USA, you need to be 17 years old to buy M-rated game and ID is required in most retail stores but some of them don't followed.

Sorry about little off topic.

You don't have to be 25 years old to buy these games. There are no laws for video games in Canada as far as I know. Any employees should know that.

Anyway, the person who mentioned how we obtain the driver license. Well, that's not how it really works. There are different ways.

You don't have to wait until you are 17 to become a G2 license holder. If you take a driving class with driving lessons, you can take the G2 test after 8 months instead of 12 months. There are 3 types of driver licenses for general drivers, G1, G2 and G. G1 licenses are for people with learner's permits. G2 licenses are for people who passed the driving test and now can travel on their own. However, the alcohol level must be absolutely zero. Period. G licenses are for people who have been driving for over 4 years, so they are fully privileged drivers. From what I know, the legal measured level for alcohol in your blood is approximately 0.08 or less.

JClarke · 04-25-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

You don't have to be 25 years old to buy these games. There are no laws for video games in Canada as far as I know. Any employees should know that.

Anyway, the person who mentioned how we obtain the driver license. Well, that's not how it really works. There are different ways.

You don't have to wait until you are 17 to become a G2 license holder. If you take a driving class with driving lessons, you can take the G2 test after 8 months instead of 12 months. There are 3 types of driver licenses for general drivers, G1, G2 and G. G1 licenses are for people with learner's permits. G2 licenses are for people who passed the driving test and now can travel on their own. However, the alcohol level must be absolutely zero. Period. G licenses are for people who have been driving for over 4 years, so they are fully privileged drivers. From what I know, the legal measured level for alcohol in your blood is approximately 0.08 or less.

Down here in australia we call them

1 - Learners Driver's Licence
2 - Provisional Driver's Licence (Same as G2)
3 - Full Driver's Licence < --- That's what I have now.

Wokamuka · 05-03-2008, 08:33 PM

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Wisconsin may reduce drinking age to 19 :: News Sun :: News
Illinois congressman fears return to 'blood border' fatalities

Wisconsin is one of many states that are considering lowering their drinking age from 21 to 19, considering that people 18 and older are eligible for military service.

Missouri and Minnesota may lower the bar to 18.

U.S. Rep. Mark Kirk, R-Highland Park, said such a move by Wisconsin could have tragic consequences for teenagers in Lake County, who might cross the border to buy alcohol.

"If such a law would pass, it would create a blood border on the highways, much like it was before the laws were changed," he said.

Kirk said making 21 the drinking age -- in effect in Wisconsin since 1986 -- has saved more than 20,000 lives a year. Lowering it would create thousands of unnecessary deaths, he added.

Vermont, Kentucky and South Carolina are considering a limited reduction of the drinking age just to favor military personnel.

As attorney general in 2001, Wisconsin Gov. Jim Doyle said he would support a national drinking age of 19.

However, in 2007, Wisconsin had the worst drunken-driving rate in the country.

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, setting the driving age at 21 has decreased fatalities among 18- to 20-year-olds.

Those who have their first drink before they are 19 are significantly more likely to become alcohol dependent, to drive after drinking, and to sustain injuries that require medical attention than those who did not drink before 19, according to data released by Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

Wisconsin: We've got the worst drunken-driving rate in the States! Let's solve it by lowering the drinking age!

dr benway · 05-05-2008, 12:17 AM

my opinion...

we should have a system similar to the dutch's...here are their legal drinking ages....

16: under 15% ABV (they can purchase wine, beer, wine coolers, ciders, etc)

18: 15% ABV and over

and no minimum age to drink in private with a parent/guardian.

for the US, we could change it to something like...

18: under 15% ABV

20: 15% ABV and over

and a minimum age of 8 years old to drink in private with a parent/guardian

Rainshower77 · 05-12-2008, 11:08 PM

I think they should.. Parents are not watching them anymore...even though they are still dependent on their parents if they are in college.

but on the other hand, it is easy for someone to become an alcoholic.

CrzyMeg · 05-22-2008, 05:30 PM

No I don't think that they should lower the age to 18. Because young adults have difficult tolerating alcohol in their bodies.

jenni-m · 05-23-2008, 07:42 AM

I propose this

18 to drink legally (under guidance), for non military.
21 to BUY legally.
Military can buy under 21.

And yes, I think it is fair for military. If they are mature enough and old enough to serve the country, then they are mature enough to drink. But not everyone is able to handle that.

Deaf Mortgage · 05-23-2008, 09:32 AM

I think age 18 should be benchmark for all laws. Yet create tier level of time frame daily that the alcohol can be sold. If under 21, cant buy after 8pm but after 21 can buy until closing.

Driver age remain the same at age 16 because its help them to develop responsibilities then be ready for age 18 to face more responsibilities.

If i had kid, I will give alcohol when they are young like 12-14 years old because I want them to be used to it and understand control before they become legalized drinking age to buy. By then, i do not need to worry about them binging too much yet be glad to learn my kids helping people to clean up their vomit than having someone to clean up my kid's vomits.

Just a thought.

Reba · 05-23-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

...If i had kid, I will give alcohol when they are young like 12-14 years old because I want them to be used to it and understand control before they become legalized drinking age to buy....

If you do that, I suggest you don't publicize it because providing alcohol to minors is against the law, even if they are your own children in your home. You might have the cops and DSS knocking at your door if you do.

Liebling:-))) · 05-23-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If you do that, I suggest you don't publicize it because providing alcohol to minors is against the law, even if they are your own children in your home. You might have the cops and DSS knocking at your door if you do.

Do you mean that minors do not allow to drink alcohol to the public with their parents?

Also in parent´s house as well?

Reba · 05-23-2008, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Do you mean that minors do not allow to drink alcohol to the public with their parents?

Also in parent´s house as well?

That's right.

Liebling:-))) · 05-23-2008, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Deaf Mortgage

If i had kid, I will give alcohol when they are young like 12-14 years old because I want them to be used to it and understand control before they become legalized drinking age to buy. By then, i do not need to worry about them binging too much yet be glad to learn my kids helping people to clean up their vomit than having someone to clean up my kid's vomits.

Just a thought.

Exactly, that´s why we Europeans did the same things to our children. We prefer to expose our children to respect alochol at early age.

We (parents) are allow to drink alochol with children to the public and in the house because it´s parent´s responsibliy, not Government. Yes it´s Government responsibly, if minors drink alochol without parents around.

Liebling:-))) · 05-23-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

That's right.

It´s scary to know that Government control parent´s responsiblity for their children.

The children is my responsiblity, not Government. I raise my children with responisiblity, not Government.

I teach my children to respect public law to not drink alochol without parents´ around.

CrzyMeg · 05-23-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jenni-m

I propose this

18 to drink legally (under guidance), for non military.
21 to BUY legally.
Military can buy under 21.

And yes, I think it is fair for military. If they are mature enough and old enough to serve the country, then they are mature enough to drink. But not everyone is able to handle that.

I don't agree.

dr benway · 05-23-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Meggie2

I don't agree.

why dont you agree with that? i thought that was pretty reasonable...

gmcman1996 · 05-26-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Meggie2

No I don't think that they should lower the age to 18. Because young adults have difficult tolerating alcohol in their bodies.

Puh-Lease! If I recall the last state that had a drinking age law under 21, was Louisiana, and it was 19, in 1986, and I happened to be 19,so I bought my first case of Budweiser! While all the other states were up at 21....

However the Federal Government said that they would cut Louisiana off with the highway funds.. if they remained at 19 to sell beer, wine, and liquor...

Louisiana quickly changed it from 19 to 21.... several months later...

Nah.. never gonna lower it anyway!!

Sorry!

***VamPyroX*** · 05-27-2008, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Meggie2

No I don't think that they should lower the age to 18. Because young adults have difficult tolerating alcohol in their bodies.

It doesn't have anything to do with age, it has to do with body mass/weight.

gmcman1996 · 05-27-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VamPyroX

It doesn't have anything to do with age, it has to do with body mass/weight.

Very True! That is 99.9% the main reason for that! Ahh, if they (states) lowered it.. Then up goes the numbers of drunk young drivers! Bad enough... Not a good idea!

Boult · 05-27-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gmcman1996

Very True! That is 99.9% the main reason for that! Ahh, if they (states) lowered it.. Then up goes the numbers of drunk young drivers! Bad enough... Not a good idea!

Umm.. no... when they raised the age limit, it didn't work so they had to make the law stricter by adding "no tolerance" law...

So since we have "no tolerance" law (based on BAC test) in several states then I see no point in keeping those age limit at 21.

I am ok if they lowered to 18...

Boult · 05-27-2008, 04:40 PM

see this PDF
http://www.hpolicy.duke.edu/multimed...ForumFinal.pdf
I am for Zero Tolerance only

Q&As: Teenagers —*underage drinking

Reason Magazine - Dry Fog

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When the government raises the drinking age, the "underage drinking problem" increases by definition. If the drinking age were 30, the problem would be much bigger than it is now, but the problem would be the law, not the desire of 25-year-olds to enjoy a glass of wine.

History of Zero Tolerance

gmcman1996 · 05-27-2008, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Boult

Umm.. no... when they raised the age limit, it didn't work so they had to make the law stricter by adding "no tolerance" law...

So since we have "no tolerance" law (based on BAC test) in several states then I see no point in keeping those age limit at 21.

I am ok if they lowered to 18...

Not me... Think about all the high school kids graduating from high school, and then crank up a party, and get drunk, and

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dr benway Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: okiehoma Posts: 111	my opinion... we should have a system similar to the dutch's...here are their legal drinking ages.... 16: under 15% ABV (they can purchase wine, beer, wine coolers, ciders, etc) 18: 15% ABV and over and no minimum age to drink in private with a parent/guardian. for the US, we could change it to something like... 18: under 15% ABV 20: 15% ABV and over and a minimum age of 8 years old to drink in private with a parent/guardian __________________ DR. BENWAY: "Well, it’s all in the day’s work.".....He walks across the room to a medicine cabinet…. "Some fucking drug addict has cut my cocaine with Saniflush! Nurse! Send the boy out to fill this RX on the double!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6w9YHfabUU

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Rainshower77 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 91	I think they should.. Parents are not watching them anymore...even though they are still dependent on their parents if they are in college. but on the other hand, it is easy for someone to become an alcoholic.

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CrzyMeg fail when you stop trying Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 2,151	No I don't think that they should lower the age to 18. Because young adults have difficult tolerating alcohol in their bodies.

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jenni-m Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 598	I propose this 18 to drink legally (under guidance), for non military. 21 to BUY legally. Military can buy under 21. And yes, I think it is fair for military. If they are mature enough and old enough to serve the country, then they are mature enough to drink. But not everyone is able to handle that.

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Deaf Mortgage ASL Mortgage Banker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 388 Blog Entries: 1	I think age 18 should be benchmark for all laws. Yet create tier level of time frame daily that the alcohol can be sold. If under 21, cant buy after 8pm but after 21 can buy until closing. Driver age remain the same at age 16 because its help them to develop responsibilities then be ready for age 18 to face more responsibilities. If i had kid, I will give alcohol when they are young like 12-14 years old because I want them to be used to it and understand control before they become legalized drinking age to buy. By then, i do not need to worry about them binging too much yet be glad to learn my kids helping people to clean up their vomit than having someone to clean up my kid's vomits. Just a thought.