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Old 10-18-2006, 02:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Do you believe in death penalty?

I'm not sure that would believe in death penalty since most inmates are killed by lethal injection, and too easier for inmates to get killed. It seems alot better than stuck up in ADX.

Lethal injections is almost same as death of anesthesia.
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Old 10-18-2006, 02:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't believe in the death penalty. There are many people in prison who were convicted of a crime before the newer technology like DNA testing that could have proven them innocent. There was just a case in the news where a man spent 25 years in prison on a rape conviction, but when they retested the evidence using DNA, it was found that he was innocent just as he had claimed. Our criminal justice system can and does make mistakes, and people do not always get fair trials. I think to risk executing even one innocent person is not worth the risk.

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In some circumstances its easy to say a life for a life...but each case has to be judged stood alone. Not everyone kills for the same reason....but look at Myra Hindley in UK. She spend her life behind bars with the best comforts in life (sat tv, silk undies, life of luxury)...where is the justice in that??? I do believe there are times when it would be "justice". I work in the legal profession and sometimes have strong views about this kind of thing...it depends on the circumstances!

Lethal injection is not as painless as you might think...although for the families I suppose there is no prolonged suffering which would be enough in their eyes.

This is a tricky subject and people replying may well pee people off, but hey ho...this is a discussion!!

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I generally support the death penalty, but only if it's applied correctly. We've seen cases reversed because errors were made. Therefore, I think if you're going to apply the death penalty, you better make sure that the person did the crime, and deserves the punishment for that crime.

I really think the system needs to be revamped.
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In some circumstances its easy to say a life for a life...but each case has to be judged stood alone. Not everyone kills for the same reason....but look at Myra Hindley in UK. She spend her life behind bars with the best comforts in life (sat tv, silk undies, life of luxury)...where is the justice in that??? I do believe there are times when it would be "justice". I work in the legal profession and sometimes have strong views about this kind of thing...it depends on the circumstances!

Lethal injection is not as painless as you might think...although for the families I suppose there is no prolonged suffering which would be enough in their eyes.

This is a tricky subject and people replying may well pee people off, but hey ho...this is a discussion!!

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You telling me Jillio....she seemed to be more the brains behind a lot of it...makes you wonder whether Brady would ever have gone as far as he did without her?? She did not deserve to live her life out the way she did...maybe the death penalty would have been more apt!

If anyone ever touched my son there would be no need for the death penalty...I'd do the buggers myself, slowly!

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I'd say it really depends on the severity of the crime.
To some people, it's like taking an easy way out than spending in a 10X10 cell for rest of his/her life. To some people, it's cheaper to euthanize a person rather than spending million of dollar keeping him/ her alive until death.
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Well, if some of you were to do some research... you'll discover that at least a hundred innocent people were released from the death penalty over the last 30 years.

Not only that, there has been around 2 dozen people that were discovered to be innocent after they were executed. Though there are some reports that says it's much more than that, at least a few dozens. Bullshit (Showtime series) covered the subject once and it was quite enlightening.

The concept of death penalty is not justice in my opinion. We aren't the one to play God with people's lives.

I don't believe there's a way of applying it correctly. These people should be punished for the rest of their lives, not to kill them. Killing them isn't going to change anything.
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I agree...but in UK the justice system is a total sham...every prisoner has sky tv, play stations, etc....many commit crimes and hand themselves in so they can go to prison for time out as they are homeless/in the crap with someone/have a bad drug habit. Lifers/sex offenders get even better treatment, many end up in open prisons (go out every day to work and return home at tea time for lockdown)...it's a joke! In UK no-one does the time for the crime! Human Rights Act stinks lol

bugger...i'm on my soap box again.....forgive the waffle lol

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I don't believe in the death penalty. There are many people in prison who were convicted of a crime before the newer technology like DNA testing that could have proven them innocent. There was just a case in the news where a man spent 25 years in prison on a rape conviction, but when they retested the evidence using DNA, it was found that he was innocent just as he had claimed. Our criminal justice system can and does make mistakes, and people do not always get fair trials. I think to risk executing even one innocent person is not worth the risk.

What do you guys think?
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Old 10-18-2006, 06:02 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Yes, I do believe in death penalty, because every-time I hear all the horrific crimes and the horror stories what went through the night the victims got killed, Do I want those murders to live? No, I don't. They deserved the death penalty only wishes that they would get the same equal death as the way they killed their victims.

Have you ever heard this story about this young girl who was murder in 1979? Cary Ann Medlin? When I heard this story back in high school people talked about it, This person who raped and murder her, had told the horror story of what happened that very afternoon right before she was murdered. He had stated that her last words to him were "Jesus loves you." It didn't stop him from killing her, Do I want him to live life in prison to remember the last dying words of Cary Ann? He might wouldn't even care about it because why? It didn't stop him from killing her, it wouldn't even effect him in prison if he was there for life. There are many children like Cary Ann who died in the result of violent crime, yet I've seen the same multiple offenders out on the streets free, enjoying their freedom again. Have anyone forgotten about those victims? Those victims will never have a second chance at life, they're gone forever. Why should I allow those repeated offenders back on the street or living life in prison? When they took a life of a human being, their own life should be taken away also, that is one reason why I supported the death penalty and do not even support the three strike law, nor the life in prison.
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I support the death penalty because most of the time the criminals who murdered people for a purpose will do it again in a likely chance. It will also help the crime rate down in crime infested areas if they can catch them all.

They still need to revamp the justice system because the technology for dna and other tracing stuff didn't exist and it was impossible to find out who did it.
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No i don't believe in the death penalty. the perpetrators don't pay for what they did they just get the easy way out. what would you rather have life in prision or just to be killed?
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No i don't believe in the death penalty. the perpetrators don't pay for what they did they just get the easy way out. what would you rather have life in prision or just to be killed?
I'm in favored of electric chair, but not lethal injection because that's way too easy.

What do you think life really like in prison? They have the right to work, they have the right to watch tv, eat good meals, they can be able to lift weights, they have their own luxuries. Who's paying all of this? Us, tax dollars all goes to those creeps. And it does makes me sick to my stomach.
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An execution is a state-sanctioned murder. No matter how you try to put it, it is an act of murder. The "An Eye for An Eye" mentality is unhealthy and a danger to the society. Human beings are fallible by nature and make mistakes. Death penalty goes against the the teachings and principles of Christianity.

In the ol' days, African-Americans were lynched on many occasions over accusations and many of these were untrue to start with. Quite a number of them were lynched for having an intimate relationship with a Caucasian.

I just don't believe it's our duty to kill people. It's a fallible concept and shouldn't be practiced at all. It's outlawed in the country of Canada and the homicide rate aren't something to worry about these days.

In 2004, 1,364 homicides were reported in Texas in comparison to a nationwide statistic of 622 homicides in Canada. Canada has a population of 32,000,000 while the state of Texas has a population of 22,000,000. Texas is the one with the most executions and we don't even execute ours, yet our national homicide is remarkably lower in comparison to a single state. Try comparing that! Clearly, America have a problem. No, just because you have 10 times the population doesn't make it more acceptable. It is problem when people are being murderered and they should take measures to prevent more from happening. Actually, 2004 was the year where we had a 12% spike in homicides, and the year before... it was at a 36-year low. The homicide rate in Canada had been declining since 1992. It's still relatively low now.

In the 1990s, the homicide rate in USA was triple the rate in Canada.

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Before the death penalty was abolished in Canada, the homicide rates were somewhere higher. Death penalty in America isn't doing anything to prevent more acts of murder from being committed. It's just a mentality created as a result of misguided emotions.

I don't feel sorry for the murderers, but I don't wish to have them killed because that would make me a murderer too.
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I'm for the death penalty for criminals such as Jeffrey Dahmer. I grew up in the same city as Jeffrey Dahmer (Milwaukee) and I remember being very scared as a little girl. I had nightmares about him. When he went to prison and an inmate killed him, I was VERY relieved because it meant that I no longer had to worry about him anymore. I think if serial killers were put to death then many citizens will feel a sense of relief since the serial killers are dead, they can't kill anymore.
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i support death pently.. i had this presention in college about this for my business presention class. i choose to support the death pentaly.. and i research alot of information..

boult.. to your case about texas.. think about the people in texas how they act.. its not the population relationship. and its how those people are.. the rasicm, how family treat them, etc.

here in minnesota.. we don't have a law related to death pentaly however they did give death pentaly to few people who done terriable crime.. but its not on record.. except one guy who raped a girl and murder her.. and run to north dakota.. since its public.. because its a federal crime so we have to follow the federal law.. so we had to excute that guy.. can't remmy name.

right now minnesota is deciding to set up a death pentaly back to its law.. since the homidie rate is going higher and higher every year.

i remember while doing research.. utah allows shot to death pently. where they line up and police shoot them. they still do that if the prisioner choose to. there's still hanging in some states too. but mostly through lethal inj.

i strongly support death pently.. give us the tax dollars less money..
also some murders are set free to go cuz they're good.. and what happens is.. they murder someone again. same with sex offender and many other crimes.. what happen to us? we're giving those crimials easy life?

cheri was right about those people... also would like to add one more. prisioners get FREE education for college class.. who pays? us!. why let them be happy in prison getting what they want when they having stress life here with budget problem, even homeless.. so they take the advantage.. and watch t.v. make some calls, playing outside, taking free classes for major, going out to make some extra cash and save up to be stress-free income once they get out of jail.

this is something we need to be changed.. we need to be strict.. we can't give freedom to those prisioners.. i never understand why we should do that.. i uddy that cruel punishment like they can't do that and that and that is against the law.. but they need to do that they can't let them do what they want. they even have choice what they want to eat, what they want to do on their free time. they read books, sleep, etc.. FREE

my brother has been to prison before.. and he went to school while he's in prison.. and now he's happy out of prision with education. and he even told me that he had good time in jail.. police are nice to them, roommates are nice. no problems there. but he doesn't want to go back in prision. but he admited that its easier there than out.
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I do but you must have alot of Evidence .Its cost a lot of taxpayers money to keep these low life's in prison for the rest of their lives.The money could be spent else where e.g. It seams you guys in America can not get the medical care you need if you don’t have a job
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An execution is a state-sanctioned murder. No matter how you try to put it, it is an act of murder. The "An Eye for An Eye" mentality is unhealthy and a danger to the society. Human beings are fallible by nature and make mistakes. Death penalty goes against the the teachings and principles of Christianity.

In the ol' days, African-Americans were lynched on many occasions over accusations and many of these were untrue to start with. Quite a number of them were lynched for having an intimate relationship with a Caucasian.

I just don't believe it's our duty to kill people. It's a fallible concept and shouldn't be practiced at all. It's outlawed in the country of Canada and the homicide rate aren't something to worry about these days.

In 2004, 1,364 homicides were reported in Texas in comparison to a nationwide statistic of 622 homicides in Canada. Canada has a population of 32,000,000 while the state of Texas has a population of 22,000,000. Texas is the one with the most executions and we don't even execute ours, yet our national homicide is remarkably lower in comparison to a single state. Try comparing that! Clearly, America have a problem. No, just because you have 10 times the population doesn't make it more acceptable. It is problem when people are being murderered and they should take measures to prevent more from happening. Actually, 2004 was the year where we had a 12% spike in homicides, and the year before... it was at a 36-year low. The homicide rate in Canada had been declining since 1992. It's still relatively low now.

In the 1990s, the homicide rate in USA was triple the rate in Canada.

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Before the death penalty was abolished in Canada, the homicide rates were somewhere higher. Death penalty in America isn't doing anything to prevent more acts of murder from being committed. It's just a mentality created as a result of misguided emotions.

I don't feel sorry for the murderers, but I don't wish to have them killed because that would make me a murderer too.



I consider the law punish crimes to death is also murder, too.

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Is it okay to put teens to death for their crime behavior?

Is it okay to treat kids and teens as fully adult where they commit crimes?
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I think the death penality should be reserved for expectionally brutal and/or serial murders. As far I'm concerned Ted Bundy, Jeff Dahmer, and John W. Gacy all deserved the death penality.
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i support death pently.. i had this presention in college about this for my business presention class. i choose to support the death pentaly.. and i research alot of information..

boult.. to your case about texas.. think about the people in texas how they act.. its not the population relationship. and its how those people are.. the rasicm, how family treat them, etc.

here in minnesota.. we don't have a law related to death pentaly however they did give death pentaly to few people who done terriable crime.. but its not on record.. except one guy who raped a girl and murder her.. and run to north dakota.. since its public.. because its a federal crime so we have to follow the federal law.. so we had to excute that guy.. can't remmy name.

right now minnesota is deciding to set up a death pentaly back to its law.. since the homidie rate is going higher and higher every year.

i remember while doing research.. utah allows shot to death pently. where they line up and police shoot them. they still do that if the prisioner choose to. there's still hanging in some states too. but mostly through lethal inj.

i strongly support death pently.. give us the tax dollars less money..
also some murders are set free to go cuz they're good.. and what happens is.. they murder someone again. same with sex offender and many other crimes.. what happen to us? we're giving those crimials easy life?

cheri was right about those people... also would like to add one more. prisioners get FREE education for college class.. who pays? us!. why let them be happy in prison getting what they want when they having stress life here with budget problem, even homeless.. so they take the advantage.. and watch t.v. make some calls, playing outside, taking free classes for major, going out to make some extra cash and save up to be stress-free income once they get out of jail.

this is something we need to be changed.. we need to be strict.. we can't give freedom to those prisioners.. i never understand why we should do that.. i uddy that cruel punishment like they can't do that and that and that is against the law.. but they need to do that they can't let them do what they want. they even have choice what they want to eat, what they want to do on their free time. they read books, sleep, etc.. FREE

my brother has been to prison before.. and he went to school while he's in prison.. and now he's happy out of prision with education. and he even told me that he had good time in jail.. police are nice to them, roommates are nice. no problems there. but he doesn't want to go back in prision. but he admited that its easier there than out.
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I consider the law punish crimes to death is also murder, too.

Revenge to satisfy doesn't solve anything.
It's not about taking their life for a satisfaction. It's all about justice being serve to those who've lost their lives.

Question to you, Liebling. Supposedly for example, your son get killed from a viciously violent crime, Would you want this violent criminal spend a life in prison with luxuries, or spend 23 years in prison then on his good terms behavior he is out on parole, or death penalty? You choose and explain your reasons too.

Also, I wanted to add in general that let's not forget about what had happen and could happen when a violent criminals breaks out of prison, which meaning escaped from prison when those violent criminals were sentenced to life in prison. It's like walking on egg shells, Everyone would be frighten, wondering where these criminals are heading to, who they're going to kill next? Is that the way we should live our life being afraid and having to watch our backs?

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