UN Official Wants to Prosecute Bush, Rumsfeld for Torture

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  1. Liebling:-)))

    Liebling:-))) Sussi *7.7.86 - 18.6.09* Premium Member

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    I saw on TV journal about US tortue, war issues, etc for weeks before and after 20th January quite a lot. It says that Bush was being warned last January 2003 that he and his bush adminstration may be prosecuted for war crimes under Geneva Convention..... Well Bush and co. choose to ignore the law to continue to do with torture, mistreatment, etc.

    From saw on TV, I must say that I want to see Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney prosecuted because it's about justice for America and many countries around the world.

    Discussion with agree to disagree is welcome...



     
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    Bush said that waterboarding isnt torture? Wow...
     
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    Yes, it's not just Bush but Cheney as well. I feel sick with pain to learn that he defended waterboarding to the meida few days before 20th January that Guantanamo should stay open, waterboarding OK. Cheney admitted that he authorized torture against Guantanamo Detainees.

    What a horrible...
     
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    I am wondering if it would do this country good if they get prosecuted. That would be embarrassing for the U.S. but if they are convicted of any crimes, then they should be punished.
     
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    I don't think it will happen.
     
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    unfortunately, neither do i, byrdie.
     
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    george w. bush doesn't seem to mind losing over 4,000 soldiers in iraq, so why should we be surprised that he doesn't consider waterboarding as torture?
     
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    Wow! I bet that made your day!
     
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    Did you know that our own SEAL and Special Forces members are waterboarded as part of their training? It's not pleasant, for sure, but it's not torture.
     
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    The feeling of about to drown? For those who dont have training nor understanding of it, it can be torture.
     
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    I said it wasn't pleasant.

    However, there is a difference between the sensation of drowning, and actually drowning. Their lives were not at risk.

    Exactly. That's why our service members go thru the experience, so they'll know what to expect, and how to resist it. It's the same thing when they actually experience being gassed and other "unpleasantness." When you take out the element of the unknown, you can face it better.
     
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    Can someone explain what does waterboarding does? What's the purpose of waterboarding?

    I think I have a pretty good idea what waterboarding is but I also wanted to see the bigger picture of this in order to get an understanding of this.

    From what I see - It's like when someone pours the water on the victim's face to do a drowning effect? Is that correct?
     
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    But what's the purpose of using that technique on the prisoners? To make them suffer or to get info from them?
     
  14. Liebling:-)))

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    Yes, the description of link explains better...

    http://hbergman.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/102706-waterboarding.jpg

     
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    I emailed my husband asking his opinion on waterboarding and if it was a form of torture since he is a former Marine.

    This is his response..


    Yes, imaging being strapped down so u can't be moved and having someone pour a bottle of water on ur face.
     
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    To get information from them, especially when it's needed quickly.
     
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    According to the UN, this is their definition of torture:

    "For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions."
    UN Convention Against Torture
     
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    yes.
     
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    really? how long has this been going on, reba?
     
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