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Unread 11-16-2006, 11:42 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Nobody is paying attention to why the criminal is breaking the law in the first place and we really should be questioning why the criminal is breaking the law in the first place.

Cops have a hard enough of a job given the current political climate and I support the police officers through the good, the bad and the ugly political climate.

Once you know what it is like to be a victim of a violent crime. You will have the full support and the backing of the tough, hard working cops.

You will have no longer any interest in supporting the criminal's rights nor to give the criminals any sympathy at all !!!!!

I am serious, I support the cops period.
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Unread 11-17-2006, 01:20 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Yes, being Deaf I went through that with cops too but I also understand cops have a job to do and I am talking about normal police duties but that is sick having a cop get a homofag to suck his dick that is very sick. I have actually seen a prostiute woman suck a cop's dick so she would not be in trouble.

What I am saying is cops should not get punished for doing their job in the course of their normal duties. Catching criminals is always a very dangerous and an extremely serious business. If that is what it takes to beat the shit out of a criminal then so be it because in the future that criminal will stay home and not want to commit any more crimes lest he should get his ass kicked the shit out of him with tough sentence at court with a judge who does not give a **** about criminal's rights because the judge and the cops are 100 % on the victim's side and support victim's rights.

You would be shocked to find out how way too many politically correct courts actually support criminals and never really support or recongize the victim's rights so .......

**** any criminal's rights. Miranda rights is really a piece of politically correct bullshit. It is really a license for more criminals to commit crimes with the Miranda rights being read. It is really a ****ing sad joke. That is how I feel so in that respect, I support cops fighting crime really vicious, tough and brutal the way crimefighting is supposed to be. Not some piece of politically correct bullshit !!!!!!! :madfawk:
I dont know how its being discussed that you aren't an asshole. The ****ing sad joke is not that a cop was gross for hitting on a 'homofag' [what will you be calling us next mr antipc?] but that he abused someone with that behavior, and yes, cops force themselves on prostitutes all the time, if you're curious, look up the story of Norma Jean Almodovar. How can you support victim's rights without supporting victims of cops themselves?!
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Well... ok...

Please don't give an **** to Lilly's dad since he's police officer.

If you don't commit crime then you will be fine.
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Going back to the youtube tape, explain to me how you see this small segment of video and automatically assume the cop is in the wrong?
Please comment on your opinion of this tape and the way it was shown to the public. Where is the rest of it? Why dont we see anymore of it? Could it possibly be that you do not see it because if you do, you will see that the cop was not in the wrong?
Do me a favor, stop and think about this. remove your emotion and bias. Why have you only been shown a small segment of the video? If this was truely a case of excessive force, why would they not show the entire incident?
Even if they do not have the incident from beginning to end, they definately have more than what they are showing. You see this time and time again in incidents where people accuse the police of excessive force.
When the police are 100% in the wrong from beginning to end, you know the news shows the entire tape. Think back to the rodney king beating, how much video did you see? Damn near all of it. Why? Because the overall video painted a clear picture of the events that unfolded. If you do not have a clear picture of the police looking bad, simply remove everything that made the cops look like they were just doing their job, and VOILA! You create a crroked cop on video.
It is true that video can be twisted. Ironically, the defense for the cops in the Rodney King beating would only allow the video footage to be played in slow motion, an act that effectively removed the brutality of the policemen's violent attack...
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Well... ok...

Please don't give an **** to Lilly's dad since he's police officer.

If you don't commit crime then you will be fine.
I didnt swear at Lilys dad, I was mimicking Heath's language. And no, I don't think Lily's Dad shouldn't be sworn at because he's a police officer but because he's a reasonably polite person and no reasonably polite person deserves to be sworn at just because one might disagree with them.
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I dont know how its being discussed that you aren't an asshole. The ****ing sad joke is not that a cop was gross for hitting on a 'homofag' [what will you be calling us next mr antipc?] but that he abused someone with that behavior, and yes, cops force themselves on prostitutes all the time, if you're curious, look up the story of Norma Jean Almodovar. How can you support victim's rights without supporting victims of cops themselves?!
Did you not see that I said that I have seen a street prostitute woman performing oral sex on a police officer. I know that kind of thing goes on. Where is your mind at ?

You are missing the entire point.

WHY ARE YOU NOT QUESTIONING WHY THE CRIMINALS BROKE THE LAW IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT WAS NOT THE POLICE OFFICER'S DOINGS. IT WAS THE CRIMINAL'S OWN DOINGS THAT BROUGHT THE LONG ARM OF THE LAW ON THE CRIMINAL PERIOD. THAT IS THE POINT !!!!! TOO ****ING BAD FOR THE CRIMINAL !!!!! AND GOOD FOR ALL OF US INCLUDING THE POLICE TOO !!!!! GOOD !!!!!!
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Heath, Thank you.
Op-eratorly, As far as the Rodney king tape being played in slow motion, why do you say that is done so it does not look as brutal? Could it be that it was slowed down to show that the asshole was not complying? If memory serves, the officers were kind of standing around him. Maybe they had to slow it down so you could see between officers where king was kicking or punching. If he had officers between him and the camera, at normal speed, you would have a very hard time seeing that? Im not saying that this was the case. The fact remains that you were not there, you were not in the court room when that video was shown nor did you hear the explaination of why the tape was slowed down. It sounds like you heard kings lawyer make that statement and it sounded good to you.
"It is true that video can be twisted" then if you accept this, why are you so quick to believe that the cops are in the wrong? You have onyl seens a fraction of what really happened?
As far as the corrupt cops you talk about, I have never said those things did not happen. You take the actions of a very, very small number of individuals, and assume that all are the same.
And when you make statements that imply that all cops are like this, yes you do include me in that group.
I have told you that I can count the amount of crooked cops I have encountered on one hand. While I have met literally tens of thousands of cops. Yet you imply that they all and I are corrupt because a few idiots take advantage of their position.
Most here are forming opinios of police corruption on the media. That and by word of mouth. They have almost no experience with the topic. They see a partial truth and take it as the gospel. Then when the cop is cleared of any wrong doing, the media never does the necessary follow up to say that. So people just hear one side of a story, and assume the cop was wrong because they never heard the fact the cop was cleared. This falls into what I was also saying earlier. People need to THINK.
Here is another example of the media showing the entire video when a cop is flat out in the wrong.
Several years ago there was a foot pursuit in Texas. If I remember correctly, it was a texas ranger that was chasing a shooting or homocide suspect in which a cop was the victim. The cop was chasing a guy through the woods and a news helicopter was above, the cop did not see it. Anyway, it showed the bad guy stop running, turn around and raise his hands, obviously surrendering. The cop ran up to him, stopped, raised his gun and shot him in the face, killing him. It was very obvious that the cop just executed the guy. They showed the whole several minute video on the news, unedited. Why, because it painted a very clear picture of a cop killing a guy.
Example 2, here in St.Louis earlier this year. The vehicle pursuit in which a guy bailed out of a stolen car after a prusuit in which he tried to run over a cop. After he bailed, he ran and was caught. After being caught, he took a good ass whoopin. The whole incident, on video from a news helicopter. Did this incident look bad, Oh yes. I know one of the officers involved. There were two cops on top of the guy. One was trying to cuff the guy whil another was punching him repeatedly in the face. Sounds firmiliar huh? BEsides the guy taking a good ass whopoin by the cops, what was the common denominator. In this case, and the youtube one, one cop was tring to cuff someone that didnt want to be cuffed after fleein gfrom a cop in a stolen car. The other cop punching him in the face. Is punching someone in the face politically correct, no, but it works. It is a very effective way of getting someone to stop fighting. And contrary to popular belief, once you start resisting arrest, we will not consider you to be no longer resisting until you are hand cuffed. Until you are cuffed, you are not controlled. Remember, it is not in a cops job description to have to fight people. There is nothing in any police special orders that tell a cop that they HAVE to fight. It si the bad guy that creates that scenario. Once the fight starts, my main goal is to go home in the same configuration that I left in. If I have to kick someones ass to do it. OK, If I have to kill someone to ensure that I can go home at the end of the day to my family, you can bet your ass that I will do it.
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Unread 11-17-2006, 02:32 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Yeah.. and my brother in law is a cop here also. so he explained to me about all of this so I could understand more. And I come from a family of military, police, law enforments. So I know how it works. You got that right!


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Heath, Thank you.
Op-eratorly, As far as the Rodney king tape being played in slow motion, why do you say that is done so it does not look as brutal? Could it be that it was slowed down to show that the asshole was not complying? If memory serves, the officers were kind of standing around him. Maybe they had to slow it down so you could see between officers where king was kicking or punching. If he had officers between him and the camera, at normal speed, you would have a very hard time seeing that? Im not saying that this was the case. The fact remains that you were not there, you were not in the court room when that video was shown nor did you hear the explaination of why the tape was slowed down. It sounds like you heard kings lawyer make that statement and it sounded good to you.
"It is true that video can be twisted" then if you accept this, why are you so quick to believe that the cops are in the wrong? You have onyl seens a fraction of what really happened?
As far as the corrupt cops you talk about, I have never said those things did not happen. You take the actions of a very, very small number of individuals, and assume that all are the same.
And when you make statements that imply that all cops are like this, yes you do include me in that group.
I have told you that I can count the amount of crooked cops I have encountered on one hand. While I have met literally tens of thousands of cops. Yet you imply that they all and I are corrupt because a few idiots take advantage of their position.
Most here are forming opinios of police corruption on the media. That and by word of mouth. They have almost no experience with the topic. They see a partial truth and take it as the gospel. Then when the cop is cleared of any wrong doing, the media never does the necessary follow up to say that. So people just hear one side of a story, and assume the cop was wrong because they never heard the fact the cop was cleared. This falls into what I was also saying earlier. People need to THINK.
Here is another example of the media showing the entire video when a cop is flat out in the wrong.
Several years ago there was a foot pursuit in Texas. If I remember correctly, it was a texas ranger that was chasing a shooting or homocide suspect in which a cop was the victim. The cop was chasing a guy through the woods and a news helicopter was above, the cop did not see it. Anyway, it showed the bad guy stop running, turn around and raise his hands, obviously surrendering. The cop ran up to him, stopped, raised his gun and shot him in the face, killing him. It was very obvious that the cop just executed the guy. They showed the whole several minute video on the news, unedited. Why, because it painted a very clear picture of a cop killing a guy.
Example 2, here in St.Louis earlier this year. The vehicle pursuit in which a guy bailed out of a stolen car after a prusuit in which he tried to run over a cop. After he bailed, he ran and was caught. After being caught, he took a good ass whoopin. The whole incident, on video from a news helicopter. Did this incident look bad, Oh yes. I know one of the officers involved. There were two cops on top of the guy. One was trying to cuff the guy whil another was punching him repeatedly in the face. Sounds firmiliar huh? BEsides the guy taking a good ass whopoin by the cops, what was the common denominator. In this case, and the youtube one, one cop was tring to cuff someone that didnt want to be cuffed after fleein gfrom a cop in a stolen car. The other cop punching him in the face. Is punching someone in the face politically correct, no, but it works. It is a very effective way of getting someone to stop fighting. And contrary to popular belief, once you start resisting arrest, we will not consider you to be no longer resisting until you are hand cuffed. Until you are cuffed, you are not controlled. Remember, it is not in a cops job description to have to fight people. There is nothing in any police special orders that tell a cop that they HAVE to fight. It si the bad guy that creates that scenario. Once the fight starts, my main goal is to go home in the same configuration that I left in. If I have to kick someones ass to do it. OK, If I have to kill someone to ensure that I can go home at the end of the day to my family, you can bet your ass that I will do it.
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If there's no cops here.. who the hell is gonna protect us??????? NOBODY and for all we could know is that we could have bene beated or killed!!!!!!!!

These people are not to be played with period!
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Operatorally, " I for one, do not tolerate that kind of treatment of the deaf and see nothing wrong with telling any hearing people who call deaf people retards, that this is discrimination. "

Discrimination- treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

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So it is not acceptable to discriminate against the deaf, but it is ok to discriminate agaist cops? Wow, that makes sense.

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–noun 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Hmm, makes ya wonder? Why is it OK to make wild unsubstantiated negative statemtns about cops, but not deaf people?
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Lilly's dad, Did you got my #63 post?
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Show me where cops are being discriminated by the deaf people here? Show me where we labeled cops? All some of us said was there are some bad cops out there. Please do not try to our twisted words, this is not about YOU!. Why are you taking it so personal? so hostile? getting so pissed off? Sheesh

I'm bowling out of this thread, again I don't want to post where some get so uptight over a discussion at hand. Good luck to you.
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Pacman, yes I did, thanks.
Cheri, Discrimination- treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination

you and others have said some very negative things about cops, only because they are cops. That falls under the definiton of discrimimation. I am a cop. When you say the generalizations about cops, you are in fact saying that about me.
Before I started to speak my peace here, there were alot of very negative generalizations about cops being said.

Operatoarallys statements about deaf people being called retarded by a few ppeople are the same as this. Are there some mentally retarded people that are deaf? Sure. are all of them? no.
Are there some cops that are bad, corrupt, crooked? Yes are all of them? No
He said he was tired of people discriminating against deaf people. While I too will not tolerate discrimination of deaf, I also will not toletate discrimination of cops.
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I come from a long line of law enforcement and military family from generation after generation and I will go to bat for a police officer or somebody in the military anytime period.

I also have had many very bad news people try to threaten, beat up or murder me and those people would scare the hell out you and these people do not scare me anymore because I am not scared of dying neither am I scared of going face to face with very pure evil people and stopping them.

I lost the fear of dying a long time ago and once somebody has been past that point and has lost all fear then they are very dangerous and not to be messed with. That is because so many inhumane things have happened to me in my life that I don't care anymore but I am smart enough to know that I am not gonna end my life at the convience of these bloodythristy asshole criminals also I do not believe in suicide so I go on living my life day to day, night to night which is something not too many people can say especially when there are so many very vicious people that want to murder me because I have helped police officers in the past on so many different things and I have stopped many bad men from commiting crimes that could have ended up killing somebody and they are so, so very angry, seething with rage that I stopped them that they would not even think twice about killing me and then the next mintune they are eating their dinner.

I have abosoutely no hesitiation when it comes to self defense because I understand that is survival period. This is not from the movies. This is from real life experience and be thankful you do not live in a kill or be killed world like I do.
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Pacman, yes I did, thanks.
Cheri, Discrimination- treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination

you and others have said some very negative things about cops, only because they are cops. That falls under the definiton of discrimimation. I am a cop. When you say the generalizations about cops, you are in fact saying that about me.
Before I started to speak my peace here, there were alot of very negative generalizations about cops being said.

Operatoarallys statements about deaf people being called retarded by a few ppeople are the same as this. Are there some mentally retarded people that are deaf? Sure. are all of them? no.
Are there some cops that are bad, corrupt, crooked? Yes are all of them? No
He said he was tired of people discriminating against deaf people. While I too will not tolerate discrimination of deaf, I also will not toletate discrimination of cops.
Sure, Your welcome.

I understand about your comment that work at police.
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I cannot believe it could even be suggested that 4 officers had to kick the crap out of Rodney King because it was necessary. And actually it was the officers' lawyers who forced the video to be shown slow mo, and its interesting that they wouldn't let it be shown in any other way at all.

As for discrimination, I don't discriminate against cops as a class as much as I am critical of power endowed upon them which is systematically abused. Also, when it comes to issues of discrimination, I do not believe in the liberal idea that discrimination is abstract, I care about power dynamics.
An example of this would be hearing and deaf folks. No, I don't agree with deaf folks who suggest that all hearing people are deceptive and bad, [ocasionally I have seen cases where callers have said this] but I also recognize that if a deaf person resents the hearing, they do not have the same level of social power that a hearing person who hates the deaf would have. Police have power over others, therefore I just do not buy the idea that they are oppressed by a population that doesn't trust them based on previous experience.
Again, I don't think anyone is getting the INSTITUTIONAL aspect of my argument. Policing as an institution is a problem, not the fact that we have police departments, but the fact that the ones we do have are institutionally corrupt. Critiquing a public institution is not the same as labeling a class of people because police aren't a class. They are simply representatives of our systems of policing, which are more accountable because not only do we pay them, but we also entrust them to protect us.
Police are supposed to follow guidelines and reflect their communities reasonably. The same goes for teachers, social services courts and doctors; anyone working in these fields should be challenged if they exhibit racist behavior.
I certainly think anyone who reacts to the racist nature of policing by physically attacking individual officers is appalling. Nor do I suggest we eradicate police forces. I just think we need a massive anti-racist overhaul [not to be confused with political correctness] and that police who commit crimes on the job need to be punished like anyone else would. At the moment they are not. They are often sent home for paid leave when they commit crimes, or moved to a desk job etc.
I also think perhaps Heath needs a chill pill. You might be a homophobe who doesn't support my human rights but you don't see me yelling at you in capitals...
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I supplied two more incidents where an entire incident was recorded by the media. But you still refer to Rodney. IS this the only case you are aware of?
Discrimination is discrimination. I dont care if you say it is against the "Institution". Inside the institution are people. So when you make these remarks, you make them abou tme, my friend, coworkers, people I have had to atttend their funerals, those that have saved my life, literally. So when you say they are corrupt, I say you are full of shit and you have no clue what you are talkiing about.
It is very easy to sit back and judge ma and mine. Once again, I compare this to the deaf society. It gets real old when someone assumes things abou ta group of people when they know nothing about them. "deaf people are retarded" compared to "Cops are racist". I fail to see the difference. Nothing you can possibly say will make me see it any other way than I curently do. I still see you as a person that is bised, ignorant, and discriminatory.
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Cheri, reread the post from the beginning. There are some very bias negative remarks made abou tcops in general. Try this, re read them, but where it says cop, police or anything like that, switch it with deaf person, or deaf peolpe. Please do that and let me know you opinion.
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Pacman, while I thank you for a one of your posts, you too have said some screwed up things about cops. Reread your posts in the beginning of this thread. Do what I suggested, replace cop with deaf person. Let me know what ya think about making all of those comments abou tdeaf poeple.
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I wanted to post something for you guys to think because I am part of the police officer's family even though I do not know who he is at all. He is my brother in arms and I have family who are police officers.

Officer Peter A. Grignon of the Louisville Metro Police Department, in Kentucky, was shot and killed in the line of duty. Someone took pictures and added Garth Brooks' song, "The Dance", and added it to the video. VERY GOOD

YouTube - Officer Peter Alan Grignon Memorial
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We had a sgt shot in the face a few days ago in the area. He was attempting to take a double murder suspect into custosdy when he was shot it the face point blank with a shotgun. He is very lucky to still be alive. They still do not know if he is going to live. They say that if he does live, he will be blind, have no orbital socket for either eye, no nose. If he lives he will be going through physical therapy for years.
My thoughts and prayers go ou tto his wife and two sons. BTW, His wife is a rock. SHe is one of the toughtest ladies that I have ever seen. She said the other day, without shedding a tear, standing next to her two sons tha her husband "has never backed down from a fight in his life, hes not abou to start now.
BTW, the bad guy killed his mother and father in law. Tehn killed himself after shooting the cop. What a bitch.
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This is especially good advice and I actually have had plenty of experience especially with very crazy friends as you will see in this video clip.

Actually good advice video clip:

YouTube - how to to get beat up by the police
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We had a sgt shot in the face a few days ago in the area. He was attempting to take a double murder suspect into custosdy when he was shot it the face point blank with a shotgun. He is very lucky to still be alive. They still do not know if he is going to live. They say that if he does live, he will be blind, have no orbital socket for either eye, no nose. If he lives he will be going through physical therapy for years.
My thoughts and prayers go ou tto his wife and two sons. BTW, His wife is a rock. SHe is one of the toughtest ladies that I have ever seen. She said the other day, without shedding a tear, standing next to her two sons tha her husband "has never backed down from a fight in his life, hes not abou to start now.
BTW, the bad guy killed his mother and father in law. Tehn killed himself after shooting the cop. What a bitch.
That police officer is in my prayers. God Bless
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I always get a kick out of seeign that Chris Rock skit. Did you recognize the guy in the black car with the loud music, who first said "is there a problem officer", then jumped ou tyelling abou tbeing pulled over? I am pretty sure that it is "crabman" from the NBC show "My Name is Earl".
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Pacman, while I thank you for a one of your posts, you too have said some screwed up things about cops. Reread your posts in the beginning of this thread. Do what I suggested, replace cop with deaf person. Let me know what ya think about making all of those comments abou tdeaf poeple.
Yea, I made mistake about my post.

I haven't done with deaf people or something.

I doesn't know until you mentioned about police and thanks for make point out.
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But the difference Lillys Dad, is that police represent a department, a physical building, whereas there is no organization that governs the deaf, or African-Americans etc. If a deaf person pisses you off you can't call and complain to an office. And yes, when an institution has power over me and wields it in multiple ways, I do have the right to criticize.
As for evidence of corruption, I think that the numerous studies showing that vice cops assault prostitutes and the fact that one former cop has written a book on it, as well as reports of common racist remarks on police radios where I live, not to mention the fact that I HAVE A FRIEND IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO TELLS ME ABOUT THIS STUFF, is enough, thank you.
And yes, I chose the Rodney King case because its the most famous.

But let's post some more shall we?

"The Amnesty International 2005 report on human rights alleges widespread police misconduct in many countries. Some notable countries include Canada, the United Kingdom, France, the United States, Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Brazil"

"Martin Lee Anderson died in 2006 at a Florida juvenile detention facility after allegedly suffering a beating by as many as eight guards, recorded by videotape."
-FDLE Investigates Death of Martin Lee Anderson. Florida Department of Law Enforcement (2006-01-10)

"Anthony Baez died in a confrontation with New York City police in which a chokehold was used on him. Police officer Francis Livoti was indicted and acquitted, but was later convicted in federal court of perjury"
- Mayor Giuliani signs bill that names Bronx street after Anthony Baez (Press release). City of New York (2000-04-17). Retrieved on 2006-08-07

"Frank Jude Jr. was beaten at a house party while unarmed by three off-duty Milwuakee Police officers, Andrew Spengler, Jon Bartlett and Daniel Masarik, who were charged but acquitted"
-Grinburg, Emanuella (2006-04-20). Off-duty Milwaukee officers cleared in beating of unarmed man. Courtroom Television Network (Court TV). Retrieved on 2006-08-14.

"Abner Louima was sexually abused by New York City police officers in 1997. A number of officers were convicted in the case"
-"Louima Cop Sentenced", CBS Worldwide, 2000-06-27. Retrieved on 2006-08-11
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Operatorally,

Sure, there are cases of police brutality but what you do not really understand is that capturing criminals is a very brutal business in itself.

Why don't you focus on the fact that the criminals break the law in the first place ?

More over, Why don't you quit your relay operator job and actually enlist to be a police officer and see how you enjoy getting nearly murdered in a score of multiple ways just trying to make and effect an arrest and come back tell me about these times you had to use savage hand to hand combat, engagne in fierece gun battles with the bad guys, only to have the media steal your honor that was rightly owed to you.

Come on, tell me how much fun that is for you ? Tell me who is the tough guy now ? Don't worry or be that so obessesed about police brutality here, Really Think about getting an aggressive bad guy who broke the law in the first place and he is trying to not be arrested and he will kill you I mean, murder you right upfront.

Come on, let's go on patrol and I want to see you find somebody who is actually breaking the law then you get out of that police crusier and run up to get in a fight with the bad guy and come on, let's see you get yourself nearly killed trying to be politically correct with these very violent guys who have no qualms about murdering you then you go onto the next person about 1 or 2 hours later and you are off running with blue and red sirens rolling off the night buildings as you are in some hallway fighting with some bad guy who has just sold drugs and finally both of you have no more bullets, the gunfight is done but you both are not done as you run right after him and then you are right out of breath, suddenly he turns around on you and tries to punch you then you use politically incorrect savage hand to hand combat to subdue him and he is all bloody, screaming at the top of his lungs " Police Brutality !!!!!! " and way back there, he has just killed your street parnter of 23 years on the police force. Let's see how much fun that is for you huh ? When you know the truth and the media is lying, stealing your honor that was rightly owed to you BECAUSE YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.

Come on, run with that !!!!! See how you like it ????
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These quotes come from a 1998 report from Human Rights Watch, I've excerpted according to city.


ATLANTA
...During the past several years, Atlanta's police department has received negative publicity for, among other cases, an officer's fatal shooting of an unarmed man in December 1995, five officers caught on videotape beating a motorist in April 1997, and a corruption scandal that revealed how little police officers fear the oversight of the Office of Professional Standards (OPS), the internal affairs unit, with regard to brutality complaints...

...On December 7, 1995, suspecting a robbery in progress, plainclothes Atlanta police officer Willie T. Sauls entered a motorcycle shop with his gun drawn and shouting obscenities. An employee thought the police surrounding the store were themselves robbers, and a gunfight ensued. When the shooting stopped, a customer named Jerry Jackson was dead and two others, including Officer Sauls, were wounded....

...[one] lawsuit stemmed from an incident on Christmas Eve, 1993, when three Atlanta police officers from Zone 1 arrived at the home of Zezar Holder, to arrest the man's stepson. The officers had allegedly heard there was a warrant for the stepson's arrest, but had no warrant in hand themselves. When Holder asked to see the warrant, the officers became combative, and one reportedly said to Holder, "I don't have to show you shit, ******." Holder and the officer were in the kitchen where a physical altercation ensued. At this point, an African-American officer joined the officer fighting with Holder, and reportedly struck Holder in the head twice with his baton.The officers later explained the beating by stating that Holder had reached for one officer's gun, and that the white officer was struggling with Holder and screaming, "He's going for the gun" as the other officer entered the house and hit the man; this version reportedly was disputed by another officer in the house. After Holder was cuffed and lying on the floor, the white officer stood over him allegedly taunting him while he bled. The family was arrested (father, mother, daughter, and stepson), and the mother and father were jailed until December 27, for allegedly obstructing justice - charges which were later dismissed. Holder was treated at Grady Hospital for scalp injuries and received stitches. A neurologist stated that he suffered a permanent brain "deficit."...

BOSTON
...The department received a great deal of scrutiny following door-to-door and street searches of a predominantly African-American housing project, following the October 1989 murder of Carol Stuart, who was white. Her husband - who was suspected to be responsible for the murder - claimed the assailant was an African-American man, leading the police to search and harass scores of alleged suspects. Charges of excessive force were made during the raids, but disciplinary sanctions against officers were light...

...In response to pressure from citizens in the Dorchester neighborhood of Boston after misconduct complaints increased in that minority community, and following a mistaken SWAT raid on seventy-five-year-old Rev. Accelyne Williams's home on March 24, 1994, the mayor vowed to make improvements in the operations. During this raid, on the wrong house, officers chased Williams into a bedroom and handcuffed him; he then had a heart attack and died...

CHICAGO
The repeated practice of torture by Chicago police came to light in the late 1980s and early 1990s. One case involved Andrew Wilson, who was accused (and later convicted) of shooting and killing police officers William Fahey and RichardO'Brien on February 9, 1982. When Wilson was questioned on February 14 at the South Side Area 2 station, he suffered multiple injuries: he claimed that officers supervised by Commander Jon Burge tortured and brutalized him during an interrogation that lasted for seventeen hours He claimed electric shocks were administered to his head and genitals and that police cranked a "black box" to produce electric currents after clips were attached to parts of his body; Wilson was also allegedly stretched over a hot radiator and burned...

...A report by the police investigatory agency, the Office of Professional Standards (OPS), found that physical abuse "did occur and that it was systematic....[T]he type of abuse described was not limited to the usual beating, but went into such esoteric areas as psychological techniques and planned torture. The evidence presented by some individuals convinced juries and appellate courts that personnel assigned to Area 2 engaged in methodical abuse.....according to insider and press reports, as of 1997, no other detectives or others on the force had been disciplined for any of the other sixty-four cases where torture was alleged. Indeed, several of Burge's colleagues involved in the torture cases had been promoted, commended or allowed to retire with full benefits. OPS investigators reopened twelve of the torture cases andreportedly recommended discipline for several officers, but the OPS director overruled the recommendation.

DETROIT
...On November 5, 1992, Malice Green was questioned by Detroit police officers Larry Nevers and Walter Budzyn, who suspected Green of possessing drugs, as he sat in a parked car. Green allegedly failed to comply with the officers' order to drop something in his hand (which, although disputed, may have been drugs). Budzyn reportedly hit Green's fist and wrestled with him in the front seat of the car. Nevers allegedly hit Green in the head repeatedly with his flashlight during the incident. Another officer placed him on the ground and allegedly kicked him. An Emergency Medical Service (EMS) worker arrived on the scene and sent a computer message to his superiors asking, "[W]hat should I do, if I witness police brutality/murder?" Other officers and a supervisor arrived but did not intervene to stop the beating. Green had a seizure and died en route to the hospital. After the beating, officers reportedly washed blood from their hands with peroxide and wiped blood from their flashlights and Green's car...

...Freddie Vela: Freddie Vela, age eleven, was shot and killed by off-duty Detroit police officer Glenn Price on July 22, 1995. Vela was riding his bicycle near a dispute between Price and another man outside a bar. Price shot twice at the man, but missed and hit Vela, who was riding his bicycle nearby...

...Bobby Fortune: On June 29, 1995, Bobby Fortune was walking in the area of Rangoon and Tireman in Detroit when a police squad car approached and two officers emerged. The officers questioned Fortune, who pleaded with them not to arrest him; Fortune claims that one of the officers told him, "You look like you want to run; go ahead, run." Fortune ran, and the officer chased him, punched him in the face, and knocked him to the ground. Both officers then reportedly proceeded to punch, kick, and stomp Fortune about his head, face, chest, and body and legs. Witnesses to the alleged beating told the officers to stop, and the officers threatened the witnesses and told them to leave. Other officers arrived on the scene, and they brought Fortune to Detroit Receiving Hospital where he was treated for broken ribs, facial lacerations requiring stitches, a fractured nose, and an eye injury, along withvarious contusions and abrasions. He was released the next day and was not charged with any crime...

INDIANAPOLIS
...nine apparently intoxicated off-duty officers started fights and yelled racial epithets, beat passers-by, and harassed women in a busy downtown neighborhood on August 27, 1996; at least one officer reportedly pulled his gun on the citizens during the melee...

... Indianapolis Officer Wayne Sharp, who is white, shot and killed Edmund Powell, who was black, in June 1991. Sharp, a veteran officer, claimed the shooting was accidental and that Powell had swung a nail-studded board at him, yet according to at least one witness, Powell was on the ground and had apparently surrendered when he was shot. According to witnesses, Powell allegedly stole something from a department store, and Sharp chased him into an alley with his gun drawn. The Marion County prosecutor brought the case before a grand jury, and it declined to indict Sharp on any criminal charges. Community activists claimed that the shooting was racially motivated; Sharp had killed a black burglary suspect ten years earlier and a grand jury had declined to indict him. At that time, Sharp reportedly was removed from street duty because of his "flirtation" with the National Socialist White People's Party, a neo-Nazi group....

...sixteen-year-old Michael Taylor was shot in the head while he was handcuffed with his hands behind his back in a police patrol car in September 1987; yet police and a coroner contended that it was a suicide...

...When a white police officer fatally shot an unarmed African-American robbery suspect in July 1990 and then was awarded the police department's medal of valor for his handling of the robbery suspect, minority residents expressed outrage that the police department would display such insensitivity...

...On July 9, 1990, Officer Scott L. Haslar shot and killed Leonard R. Barnett after a long car chase that ended in a crash. Barnett's leg reportedly was broken during the crash, yet Officer Haslar claimed Barnett moved quickly from the crashed car...

LOS ANGELES
...one officer shot and killed a fourteen-year-old in July 1995. The officer claimed the young man pointed a weapon at him, but the weapon was later found on the opposite side of a fence several feet from the suspect, The officer had been sued for two previous, serious abuse incidents - in one case, he allegedly beat a suspect with his fists, and in another he fatally beat a suspect on the head with his flashlight...

...In another case, police attempted to stop Jaime Jaurequi, age twenty-three, when he led them on an hour-long chase on March 9, 1996. He was reportedly not armed and not involved in the crime they attempted to question him about. Officers stated that it was when he attempted to back into one of the patrol cars, after he drove onto a dead-end street, that officers opened fire, shooting twenty-three times and hitting him ten times in the shoulder, back, chest and arms....

....In February 1997, the city agreed to pay gay rights demonstrators $87,000 in a settlement for police misconduct in a 1991 incident, while admitting no wrongdoing; the settlement also required LAPD officers to identify themselves to anyone seeking their names or badge numbers. The settlement stemmed from an incident during which gay rights protesters were allegedly shoved and beaten by officers...

...According to the Christopher Commission: "The problem of excessive force is aggravated by racism and bias" within the LAPD. More than one-quarter of 650 officers responding to a survey said "an officer's prejudice towards the suspect's race may lead to the use of excessive force." MDT transmissions - typed messages between patrol cars or stations - revealed racial animosities among some officers. Just as troubling as the content of these messages was the officers' lack of concern that they would be held accountable for hateful and violent messages sent via the MDT system. The LAPD had clear rules about not using certain language or racial/sexual bias on the system and, if the officers had feared any kind of accountability, they would not have boasted of using excessive force against minority suspects...

...The 1995 O.J. Simpson trial fueled racial tensions in the city, particularly when Det. Mark Fuhrman, who was eventually convicted on perjury charges, denied using racial slurs while audio-tapes existed on which he used the word "******" at least forty-one times. In those tapes, he also claimed to have beaten and framed African-American suspects, and stated that Internal Affairs Division (IAD) investigators knew what he was doing but did not hold him accountable...Punishment for sustained complaints, the Christopher Commission also found, was more lenient than it should be, with one deputy chief telling the commission that there was greater punishment for conduct that embarrassed the department, such as theft or drug use, than for conduct that reflected improper treatment of citizens, like excessive force (which apparently was not seen as damaging)...

...In an example of a sustained excessive force complaint that was ignored in the officer's evaluation, the officer was found to have grabbed a complainant by the hair, forced her to fall down, and punched her in the upper torso with a closed fist. The OIG reported that his performance evaluation made no mention of the incident and stated that the officer had "consistently displayed a calm and professional demeanor even when dealing with the most highly agitated and stressful situations...

...Many components of the King incident are common to less-publicized abuse cases. There was the obvious race factor - the officers involved in the beating were white, and King was black. The beating followed a vehicle pursuit, and once stopped, the defendant was not considered by officers to be compliant enough - a common scenario in police beatings. When the man who videotaped the beating and King's brother, Paul, attempted to report the incident they reportedly were turned away or ignored. Inaccurate reports were filed by police after the incident. Three out of the four officers eventually indicted for the beating had been named in prior complaints of excessive force.In fact, it is likely that, if this incident had not been videotaped and broadcast widely, any complaint about the beating would not have been sustained, since the sustained rate for complaints during that period was approximately 2 percent. A cavalier attitude was demonstrated after the beating. On a radio transmission, from the LAPD dispatcher to the fire department for an ambulance, a policedispatcher said, "....he pissed us off, so I guess he needs an ambulance now....should know better than run, they are going to pay a price when they do that....It's a...it's a ....battery, he got beat up." One of the officers on the scene stated on the car radio, "Oops," and "I haven't beaten anyone this bad in a long time."

MINNEAPOLIS
Officers Marvin Schumer and Michael Lardy: On April 17, 1993, Officers Michael Lardy and his partner Officer Marvin Schumer of the 4th Precinct encountered Charles Lone Eagle and John Boney, Native Americans who were apparently intoxicated and sleeping in front of an apartment building. According to the plaintiffs' civil complaint, the officers called for an ambulance and then canceled their request and dragged the men to the squad car. The men were then allegedly handcuffed and thrown in the trunk of the squad car; the trunk was closedon Lone Eagle's leg, injuring it. The two men in the trunk claimed that the ride to the hospital, which was only three blocks from where the men were picked up, took an unreasonably long time, and that the car's driver drove erratically, causing injuries. The officers later claimed that they used the squad car because they were worried about the well-being of the men and wanted to get to the hospital quickly, yet the dangerous and menacing confinement in the vehicle's trunk undermines this claim.At the time of this incident, Officer Schumer had reportedly been the subject of thirteen complaints, and at least two were sustained. He was accused of picking people up and taking them to deserted areas near the Mississippi River, where he would allegedly beat and question them. Schumer reportedly told internal affairs investigators that it was his practice to take "troublemakers" out of downtown areas to secluded spots. In 1989, Schumer was reportedly suspended for six days for taking two men to the river to intimidate them, and an internal affairs investigator warned him that similar misconduct in the future would be grounds for further discipline, including dismissal. The incident of Charles Lone Eagle and John Boney involved serious misconduct. Officer Schumer, nonetheless, remains a member of the Minneapolis police force....

....Officer Michael Ray Parent: In the early morning hours of August 5, 1994, a woman motorist was stopped by Officer Parent, who asked her whether she had been drinking. She acknowledged she had been drinking, and he put her in the back seat of his squad car and told her she was under arrest for driving under the influence. He then stood over her, with his waist at her eye level, and asked her if she could think of anything she could do to avoid being arrested. She did not respond, so he tried again, this time warning her that the arrest would cost her $1,500 and three days in jail. Then he said, "You mean a pretty girl like you doesn't know what to do?" while stroking her arm. He started fondling one of her breasts, then took her to a more remote area. She began crying. He reportedly forced her to have oral sex with him, and he told her this was better than going to jail and having some woman have her way with her. He also let her know there was no record of his having pulled her over. Indeed, there was no record, but his notes contained her phone number and address, and his clothing tested positive for sperm.After the incident was reported, investigators reportedly found several complaints about Parent involving inappropriate sexual conduct while on duty, even though he had only been on the force for a year and a half prior to the August 1994 case; he was accused of a sexual incident during his probationary period on the force, when dismissals of officers who commit abuses are much easier, but was not dismissed...

...Sgt. William Hannan: In January 1995, Sgt. William Hannan's ex-girlfriend accused him of throwing her down two flights of stairs, banging her head into a concrete wall, and sexually assaulting her while he held her captive in his home in Olmstead County. He faced criminal sexual conduct, kidnaping and assault charges, but the charges were dismissed in June 1995 .Hannan had a history of complaints; he had been suspended from the force three times and fired once . In April 1992, he was charged with fifth-degree assault and other charges when he called his estranged wife and threatened her and her boyfriend. Former Chief Laux suspended him after he was convicted on all of those charges in October 1992, but he returned to duty and remains on the force today...
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NEW ORLEANS
....an officer was convicted in April 1996 of hiring a hit man to kill a woman who had lodged a brutality complaint against him and another officer was convicted in September 1995 for robbing a Vietnamese restaurant and shooting, execution style, a brother and sister who worked there, as well as an off-duty officer from her precinct working as security at the restaurant. In addition, at least fifty of the 1,400-member force have been arrested for felonies including homicide, rape, and robberies since 1993...

...After a white officer was killed in November 1980, mobs of police officers went on a rampage in Algiers, a black section of town, killing four and injuring as many as fifty residents. Some of the victims were tortured, including two who were dragged to swamps where the officers carried out mock executions...

...Officer Len Davis: Former Officer Len Davis, reportedly known in the Desire housing project as "Robocop," ordered the October 13, 1994 murder of Kim Groves, after he learned she had filed a brutality complaint against him. Federal agents had Davis under surveillance for alleged drug-dealing and recorded Davis ordering the killing, apparently without realizing what they had heard until it was too late. Davis mumbled to himself about the "30" he would be taking care of (the police code for homicide) and, in communicating with the killer, described Groves's standing on the street and demanded he "get that whore!" Afterward, he confirmed the slaying by saying "N.A.T.", police jargon for "necessary action taken." Community activists reported a chilling effect on potential witnesses or victims of brutality considering coming forward to complain following Groves's murder.According to a partial list of complaints and disciplinary action against Davis, obtained by an attorney, he was the subject of at least twenty complaints between 1987 and 1992, most involving brutality and physical intimidation; in most cases the complaints were not sustained, but in one case he was suspended for fifty-one days for hitting a woman in the head with his flashlight. One officer told a reporter,"He's got an internal affairs jacket as thick as a telephone book, but supervisors have swept his dirt under the rug for so long that it's coming back to haunt them...

...Lt. Christopher Maurice: Lt. Christopher Maurice was charged with two counts of simple battery by the district attorney's office on August 10, 1994, after allegedly assaulting two motorists during separate traffic stops on Interstate 10. In one of the cases, Maurice allegedly slammed the head of radio personality Richard Blake (known as Robert Sandifer), against his police car's hood after Blake was pulled over on June 22, 1994. Blake reportedly suffered facial lacerations. The altercation began when Blake yelled at Maurice, who was in an unmarked car, to slow down after he tailgated then quickly passed Blake's car; after the incident, Blake did not get a ticket.Prior to this incident, Maurice reportedly had been the subject of more than a dozen discourtesy and brutality complaints. According to civil service records,Maurice had been reprimanded twice between 1985 and 1994, and suspended once. The suspension stemmed from an argument with a neighbor in which he allegedly brandished his gun...

...Possibly criminal acts by officers, when pursued, are presented to grand juries, which are traditionally lenient toward police defendants. Officers are almost always cleared, while the public has no access to the proceedings, nor can outsiders monitor or evaluate their degree of vigor...

NEW YORK
...NY1 News local television channel poll released in February 1997 found that 81 percent of blacks and 73 percent of Hispanics believe police brutality is a serious problem in the city...

...Racial tensions were exacerbated after the August 1994 shooting of an undercover officer Desmond Robinson, an African-American, by white off-dutyofficer Peter Del Debbio during confusion after a shot was fired on a subway train. Del Debbio allegedly thought Robinson was involved in a crime because he had a gun; Del Debbio reportedly shut his eyes and shot, hitting Robinson five times, including two or three shots that allegedly were fired as the wounded officer was falling or on the ground. Del Debbio was convicted on second-degree assault charges. Minority-group activists claimed that the shooting demonstrated racial bias because the white officer assumed the black officer was a criminal...

...On June 13, 1996, another racially charged shooting, this one fatal, led to protests in East Flatbush, Brooklyn. Aswan Watson, an African-American, was shot eighteen times by plainclothes officers as he sat in a stolen car; he was unarmed...

...Case of Abner Louima: In the early morning hours of August 9, 1997, police officers arrested Abner Louima, a legal Haitian immigrant, outside a Brooklyn nightclub following altercations between police and clubgoers. During the trip to the station house, officers allegedly stopped twice to beat Louima, who was handcuffed. At the 70th Precinct station house, two officers, Justin Volpe and Charles Schwarz, allegedly shouted racial slurs and Volpe allegedly shoved a wooden stick (believed to be the handle of a toilet plunger or broom) into Louima's rectum and mouth. Volpe reportedly borrowed gloves from another officer and walked through the station house with the wooden stick, which was covered with blood and excrement; the gloves were recovered, but the wooden stick was not found on the scene. Louima was placed in a holding cell, where other inmates complained that he was bleeding. An ambulance was eventually requested to take him to a hospital, but he was held for three hours in the cell bleeding following thealleged beating and torture. Once at the hospital, doctors confirmed Louima's serious internal injuries were consistent with his allegations; internal organs were ruptured, and his front teeth had been broken.A nurse at the hospital where Louima was treated reportedly called the Internal Affairs Bureau to report the serious injuries later on the day he was hospitalized - the same day the incident took place - yet her complaint was not logged properly or submitted to the district attorney's office, as required.After the incident, the commanding and executive officers of the 70th Precinct were reassigned, and another fourteen officers reportedly were placed on modified assignment or suspended. According to the NYCLU, the fourteen officers who were either arrested, suspended, transferred or placed on desk duty in the week following the alleged torture of Louima had been accused, among them, of eleven prior unsubstantiated excessive force complaints and of another five misconduct complaints that had been ruled inconclusive or resolved through conciliation...

...On July 4, 1996, Nathaniel Levi Gaines, Jr., was shot in the back and killed by Officer Colecchia on a Bronx subway platform after Gaines had been frisked and Colecchia knew he carried no weapons. The victim was black, the officer was white. Colecchia waited two days before providing his account of what had taken place...

...In April 1993, Edward Domínguez was the passenger in a friend's car that broke down in the Bronx as a police squad car followed it. Officers reportedly suspected Domínguez and his friends had stolen the car. Domínguez was arrested though never charged. During the arrest, Officer Rodríguez allegedly kicked Domínguez in the testicles; later, one testicle had to be surgically removed due to the injury. At the station house, Domínguez repeatedly complained to a sergeant that he had been injured, and the sergeant, while placing his hand on his gun, reportedly responded by telling him that he had fallen down and had not been hurt by an officer...

...The shooting of William Whitfield on December 25, 1997 by Officer Michael J. Davitt; Officer Davitt reportedly shot and killed Whitfield, who was unarmed. Officers were responding to a report of shots being fired when Whitfield, who reportedly was uninvolved in the incident to which the officers were responding, did not obey the officers' orders to stop and entered a store. Officer Davitt claims he believed the keys or hat Whitfield was holding were a gun and shot him.After the incident, it was discovered that Davitt had been involved in more shootings than any other officer on the city's force, shooting nine times in fourteen years. Davitt reportedly had also been the subject of twelve unsubstantiated complaints...

PHILADELPHIA
...Officer John Baird: One product of the flawed internal affairs system was John Baird. In his deposition relating to the 39th District scandal, Baird stated, "I never feared an IAD investigation....[T]he way things were done, I mean, unless there is [sic] a whole lot of witnesses against you and a whole lot of pressure, you're not ever going to get found guilty of anything." Baird had been the subject of more than twenty complaints prior to pleading guilty to robbery, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to violate civil rights charges, yet received perfect job ratings throughout his career. In fact, investigations into Baird's actions, and those of other officers from the 39th District, only took place after one of the victims, Arthur Colbert, pursued his brutality and other complaints with the assistance of the public defender's office and, eventually, the U.S. Attorney's office. Colbert was stoppedby Baird and another officer in February 1991 and allegedly beaten and threatened with death if he did not provide information about his drug stash, even though there was no indication that he was dealing drugs...

...Officer Rodney Hunt: In two off-duty incidents in 1990 and 1991, Hunt shot and killed two men and wounded a woman bystander. On November 4, 1990, Hunt shot Sean Wilson several times after intervening in a bar fight; the bar was known as a drug trafficking and gambling center. Witnesses said that Wilson, who had shot at Hunt as the argument escalated, was shot while he was lying face down on the ground. According to a police abuse expert who examined the physical evidence, the witnesses were supported by the evidence: nine shots hit Wilson in the back, buttocks, and the back of the upper thigh, and forensic examination reportedly showed that at least one bullet hole in Wilson's jacket was made by a gun held rightnext to Wilson's body. Two of the exit wounds indicated that Wilson's body was pressed against a hard surface, such as the ground, when the bullets exited his body.On March 24, 1991 - as a grand jury was investigating Wilson's death - Hunt killed another person in an off-duty dispute at a party. At a party at 3:00 a.m., Hunt shot a man and wounded a woman bystander after intervening in a fight...

...Officer Carl Holmes: On January 5, 1992, Holmes saw a man urinating in an alley. He tackled him and, IAD confirmed, stepped on his groin, kicked him,slammed him into a car, and hit the man on the head. Commissioner Neal suspended Holmes for twenty days, but Holmes appealed and got the punishment reduced to five days. According to the Philadelphia police department's personnel office, he has since been promoted to lieutenant....

PORTLAND
...In 1985, two Portland officers were reinstated by an arbitrator after they were fired for selling "Don't Choke `Em, Smoke `Em" t-shirts on the day of the funeral of Lloyd "Tony" Stevenson, who reportedly had been killed by a police chokehold...

...in 1982, a woman sued Officer George Fort for using excessive force after a November 1981 incident in Multnomah County when Fort pulled her vehicle over. She asked not to be put in his squad car in front of her neighbors, and he allegedly twisted her arm behind her back, pushed her to the pavement, shoved her face into the ground, and yanked her to her feet using her handcuffed wrists. She was charged with resisting arrest - charges that were later dismissed - and the civil jury found that Fort had falsely arrested the woman...

...Officer Douglas Erickson: On July 19, 1993, two officers shot twenty-seven times at Gerald Frank Gratton as he fled from a bus in North Portland; the bus driver had complained that Gratton and his brother were acting unruly. He was struck by the bullets in the back and the arm, and a bullet grazed his head; he survived. Gratton, an African-American, had a gun in his waistband, but did not pull the gun or use it during the incident...

...Nathan Thomas shooting: On January 16, 1992, Nathan Thomas, age twelve, was taken hostage in his home. Officers fired when the intruder threatened to kill Thomas, killing them both. Thomas's parents chose not to sue the city, but instead to use their son's memory to push for police reforms. The City Council hired a consultant, Pierce Brooks, to look independently at the shooting. He recommended the creation of an inspector's office outside the police bureau's internal investigations office to analyze extraordinary incidents such as shootings. No such office was created...

PROVIDENCE
...The case of Corey West: On January 17, 1995, white Providence Police officer Richard F. Ruggiero, Jr., a rookie, allegedly kicked Corey West, an African-American, repeatedly as he lay on the ground outside a nightclub; the encounter was captured on videotape and broadcast on local news programs. Ruggiero told television reporters that he kicked West because he thought he was reaching for Ruggiero's nightstick. Ruggiero was suspended without pay after then-Chief Gannon saw the videotape. Gannon complained that Ruggiero's refusal to tell his side of the story to investigators did not help matters...

...Frank Sherman: Frank Sherman, age sixteen, filed a brutality complaint after Foster (Providence County) police officer, Robert G. Sabetta, allegedly struck Sherman in the face with a flashlight, knocking out two teeth on January 9, 1992. After an internal investigation, Sabetta was suspended with pay. He was indicted by a grand jury in March 1993, for assault with a dangerous weapon, and then suspended without pay. In April 1993, even though he was ordered to stay away from Sherman and his friends, Sabetta found them working on cars late at night at a garage in Foster, where he shot and killed Frank Sherman, his brother Charles, and friend Jeremy Bullock. The Shermans' cousin, Darryl Drake, was shot but survived...

SAN FRANCISCO
...Officer Daniel Yawczak: The killing of Michael Acosta was a case where an officer put himself in harm's way against departmental guidelines and successfully defended his use of a firearm on that basis. On November 2, 1991, Officer Daniel Yawczak shot and killed Acosta. With his gun drawn, Yawczak had chased two suspected purse-snatchers to an idling car in the Pacific Heights neighborhood, where he twice shot Acosta, who was sitting in the driver's seat; the men were unarmed. Yawczak claimed that he shot Acosta while standing in front of the car, ignoring police training by placing himself in harm's way; he initially claimed he jumped on the hood of the car and then shot at Acosta, but later reportedly recanted that part of his account. Yawczak also originally stated that he was bumped by the car and shot the second time while seated on the ground; when a medical examiner disputed that part of Yawczak's account, and a witness reported seeing Yawczak run alongside the car and shoot, Yawczak stated that it was possible he had not shot from a seated position. If these witnesses' accounts are to be believed, the second shot would have been an unjustified use of force...

...Officer William Wohler: The shooting of Brian Sullivan exposed serious weaknesses in homicide investigations of police and in internal review of the use of firearms. On July 15, 1993, Brian Sullivan was shot and killed by Officer William Wohler, at Sullivan's parents' home in the Excelsior District. Sullivan had an unloaded shotgun on his bike when Wohler responded to an emergency call about him. He was riding on a bicycle, away from Wohler in his car, and rode into his parent's garage and closed the garage door. Wohler reportedly opened fire through the closed garage door. He then followed Sullivan to a side yard, and as Sullivan started up a ladder to the roof, unarmed, Wohler reportedly fired twice; one bullet entered Sullivan's buttocks and traveled to his heart, killing him. Although Wohler later stated he had never entered the side yard, his bullet casing was found near where a neighbor said she saw him stand and shoot up at Sullivan...

...Sgt. Joseph Weatherman: The department took years to dismiss a highly decorated sergeant, Joseph Weatherman, despite his long history of citizen complaints. He was the focus of many citizen complaints and was sued for the use of excessive force six times. In 1992 he was suspended for sixty days for slapping and punching a suspect; on an earlier occasion, he had to perform community service for beating a youth during an off-duty incident. All along he was promoted. He was finally dismissed in August 1994 for harassing a woman officer who had ended a relationship with him...

WASHINGTON D.C
...In November 1996, Officer Richard Fitzgerald, white, was convicted in D.C. Superior Court of assault charges for beating a drug suspect, who was black, after a chase on August 25, 1993. The 4th District officer, a member of the troubled 1990 class, allegedly hit the man in the head repeatedly with his nightstick. The department considered Fitzgerald's actions justified, and Fitzgerald claims that his supervisors told him that he deserved praise for making a difficult arrest. Yet fellow officers reported that he did not have to keep hitting the suspect, and since fellow officers' testimony is usually taken more seriously than citizens', the officer was convicted. Fitzgerald had been the subject of six complaints and was formally reprimanded when he was questioning a Latino in 1995 and told an ethnic joke about hitting Latinos harder to make them speak English...
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Operatorally,

Why don't you focus on the fact that the criminals break the law in the first place ?

More over, Why don't you quit your relay operator job and actually enlist to be a police officer and see how you enjoy getting nearly murdered in a score of multiple ways just trying to make and effect an arrest and come back tell me about these times you had to use savage hand to hand combat, engagne in fierece gun battles with the bad guys, only to have the media steal your honor that was rightly owed to you.

Come on, run with that !!!!! See how you like it ????

Actually my dearest Heath, I have dealt with brutality on the street, for example, 2 years ago I was attacked by a bigot twice my size who called me a dyke bitch while proceeding to put out his cigarette on my face. And luckily, I kneed him in the nuts without stopping to be 'politically correct' [again I don't get why you project that term at me, I've never once argued for political correctness here] I know what violence is and I know what its like coming from a stranger. I don't oppose the reasonable use of force by police, what I oppose is the fact that they can shoot people who are unarmed, they can rape people, they can wander around yelling slurs at others and beating them to death with their flashlights, and get away with it.
And again, since my friend is a cop, I have gotten to ride in her squad car and I have heard stories about suspects too. She's also told me about situations that get dangerous, and how she manages, as a woman dealing with a psychotic male suspect, to disarm or restrain the perp without killing or badly injuring him.
Just because someone commits a crime does not warrant death, [at the very least without a judge's sentence], abuse, rape or any of the other things you'd like to look past just because someone's a criminal. Do I like burglars, no, of course not, they should be punished and reformed. Does the fact that I don't like burglars mean that police have the right to shoot them, or someone suspected of being one? No. That's vigilante justice, not appropriate police protocol. Basic human rights decree freedom from abuse. period.
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