Liebling:-)))

Oh yes, this thread... Sorry for not response your posts an earlier...

I will answer your posts...


My friends and I talked about gun law at deaf meeting last saturday. They mention something about "Gas Gun". They said that Gas Gun is better than real gun.

They said that you can shot them up to 10 meters.

We all know that America law allow to have gun... it´s scare because it could be accident... because alot of teenagers were killed by gun accident in America. Alot of people come to you for revenage when you shot them. The people can shot employer for the reason because they are angry that they are being fired... something like that...

It´s scared to walk anywhere with knowing that gun law in America is legal. You never know that criminals can shot me then run away... How I know the people are criminal or non-criminal that they carried their weapon to everywhere...

I read the newspaper about taxidriver in America... He was shot because he charge intruder for taxi service. Simple like that?

I rather to see gun is for police only, not people...

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bigdaddyb

I'm not familiar with 'gas guns'. How can you and your friends have an opinion on something that you have no experience with?

In truth, very few teenagers are killed in America every year by accidental shootings. The vast majority of teens killed are from gang violence. Gun laws don't take guns from criminals. Only from the law abiding.

One-hundred times more children drown in swimming pools in America every year than are killed by guns in the home.

Take a look at Great Britain. They outlawed civilian gun ownership and gun crime exploded. Violent crime in GB is up 40% since the ban. The cities in the U.S. that have the highest violent crime and gun crime rates also have the most restrictive gun laws. Coincidence?

Gun laws in the U.S. are racist. They began as a method to keep blacks and immigrants disarmed and 'controllable'. It continues today. Gun control laws in large urban areas deprive law-abiding, inner-city residents (high minority and immigrant %) from their God-given, Constitutionally-protected right to defend themselves from criminals.

You are actually at MUCH LESS risk walking down the street in Texas because of armed civilians. Violent crime has decreased by double-digit percentages in EVERY state that has legalized civilian concealed carry. No exceptions. These are U.S. Federal Government statistics, not statistics from any political party or lobby group.

Disarming civilians is a really bad idea. Mass, government sponsored killings follow right after that. Just look at history. Every time a civilian populus is disarmed, tyranny follows very closely.

Mahatma Ghandi said that of all the atrocities that were carried out against the Indian people by the British, depriving them of arms would go down in history as the blackest.

Even Ghandi, the great champion for freedom and peace, understood that only an armed people can live free.

brianb

Liebling:-)))

You ask "cruel" question

[QUOTE]Okay.

Let me tell you what I know thru Police information on TV. Most criminals break in between 2am and 3am while the people sleeps - rape, kill or threat them but not hide a closet and waiting until they are sleep then do something because intruder would feel being tired for waiting hours until they are sleep then...

We only lock house door twice, that intruder can´t break in.



knifes, gas sprays... rare gun.

Yes

Call the police straight way then lock children bedroom and mine. We would use metal stick (for fire place) to hit them if I see they go in my children´s room... (I don´t know)


Call police first.
Police said that crimes don´t like panic people because it make them stress that why they hurt them. Calm down when you are scared/shock but still try to calm down and let what crime do what they want. SUCK

Yes, it could be right but I´m lucky that gun law is illegal in Germany. Gas gun is okay (I was told by my friends last Saturday). You has to ask permission and the reason in writing why you need gun for. It is for companies...

Yeah... I dont know why we debate about guns... it creep me.

Like what I say before, we would not go in... when we notice something different or unlock door... We would NOT go INSIDE and SEARCH or NOT go INSIDE but stay outside... too risk...

Yés that´s right. I can´t hear someone hide or sneaking... that´s why I have pets who help me...

kind of metal sticks (use for fire place).

Well, I don´t open the door at night when I´m alone. I teach my children to not answer the door when the bell ring at late night. They are impossible to break in when all the doors are closed and heavy plastic rollo. We have movement lamp at back of yard if the intruder are in our property. I can see the light if someone comes to my property. I often go to check at window when the light comes but all what I see is CATS...

Beleive or not, but its true. We often open our bedroom windows for fresh air all the night while we are sleeping. The countryside where we live dont have crimes, burgarly etc. But we have a murder at ONCE is at 1989 is a husband killed his wife in town. Few burgarly... I guess the crimes are interesting only is big cities, not countryside or town... That´s why we pick countryside for family safe... ***knock on the wood*** Perhaps they will come to country and town one day... never know... I should think about future... but present...


It mean that the young man I spoke last year is not crime or he could pretend to show his respect before I let him in my house.............????

Our debate here over criminal issues creep me and from now I will shut my bedroom windows before we sleep...


Anyway, crimes here in Germany are very low.

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Because we want to understand your views and help you understand ours. Debating topics with only marginal emotional content is boring.

You've been polite and pleasant to debate Liebling.

It's been fun.

brianb

Cheri

One thing I don't like guns and I refuse to own a gun. But, I applause the grandmother who shot the Intruder. If someone breaks in my home I am not going to waste my time calling the police, I will confront the intruder with my baseball bat. That's my weapon. It's about using common sense, If you going to sit there and phone a police without knowing what the intruder will do to you, You'll end up dead. In order to protect your family It's better to take the matters in your own hand for the safely of your family. That's all I gotta say on this subject.

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Reba

Could a "gas" gun be a CO2 gun?

http://www.gunrunner.org.uk/Storefront.html

Reba

Yes, I remember how the Nazis disarmed the Jews before starting their full-scale genocide. Just think what the Jews could have done for themselves in the Warsaw ghetto if they had all their guns!

Liebling:-)))

Question:

You start to notice stranger´s foot mud when you came home from outing (like what Granny did) to open your house door. Would you STILL go IN and SEARCH to find where intruder is AFTER saw foot mud? (you know intruder in the house after saw foot mud) Me, not way... too scared. I would not risk my life to search in my house AFTER saw intruder foot mud.

I would be panic and run away fast as I can to neighbor and call the police straight way after saw foot mud when I was about open the house door.

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Lol, Reba. I remember occasionally plinking bees off barbed wire fencing with my trusty lil Daisy!!

Liebling:-)))

I dont know. I will ask my friends again.

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Liebling:-)))

Gun was legal in Germany until after WWII.

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Liebling:-)))

True

I am going to make the list to question you... You will get it tomorrow or other day...

Thank you for enjoy to debate with me. Yes, I enjoy myself to debate with you all with agree and disagree... without insult and bashing.

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"Most" not "all". That means there are some criminals attacking at times other than 2-3 a.m. Sorry, but rapists can and do sneak in and patiently wait; the thrill of the chase keeps them awake and stimulated. A burglar might get tired, but a rapist/killer does not.


So again I ask, how would know that a criminal does NOT have a weapon? How would you know that he will not try to kill you?


How can you lock the bedroom doors for your children if the criminal is already in the room?


Where do you keep this stick? In your bedroom? Suppose the criminal has a gun or spray--he can shoot or spray you from a further distance than your stick can reach.


You mean let the criminal rape, kidnap, or kill you or your children?


Sorry Liebling, I am not trying to creep you out or upset you. I am just trying to stimulate your thoughts, and to see a different viewpoint.



That's good. What about day time?

Quote:

... I should think about future... but present...

Funny, you remind me of Scarlet O'Hara (Gone With the Wind). Every time someone brought up an unpleasant topic, she would say, "I don't want to think about that now; I'll think about it tomorrow."


Criminals can seem respectful when they try to hide their real intentions. Their true violence shows up when they commit the crime. Then it is too late for the victims.

Cheri

If I came home and recovered shoe prints of mud on my floor? I wouldn't enter my home, I would turn another way and go to my neighbor and call the police, and wait for the police arrive to check my home and collect evidences.
But, If I am in the house, that's a different story I wouldn't call the police right away because I have one phone line and that would be in the kitchen area and the intruder could be anywhere in the house, I would search for him in my own home, and make my kids leave the house to go to the neighbor to phone the police.

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Ooooooo...True Dead Eye!

Reba

Excuse me?

Those laws were enacted before WWII, not after.

Liebling:-)))

Yes, if I´m in the house - different story... it´s not what Granny did... but she saw foot mud but still go in her house and searched until she found him and shot then call the police... WRONG.

I carried cell phone with me. I prepared police phone number & my address and "help, burgary is here" on the top of list in cell phone and also emergerny, too. If it happened, then press only one button of cell phone, not dial the number STRAIGHT WAY and then check ..... then lock our room because our bedrooms are upstair... We can´t hear and can´t go downstair to search them..that´s why we lock our room... If we are at living room then run to terrace door straight way to get out of our house and press one button to call police.

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Yes after WWII... people use to own guns in the house. It was happened to my hubby´s Great Grandad. My hubby was a little boy and watch Great Grandad shot the birds. He let my hubby touch the gun. The law says the guns must remove in household... Great Grandad sold his guns. My hubby remember the gun law turn into illegal when he was a little boy.

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Liebling:-)))

That´s why I dont let them go in my property. Check them at kitchen window and know who they are then press the button to let gate to open for them go in. If I didnt know them... I dont let them go in... I walked to gate and check with him... I make sure everyone are around in the public. It´s impossible for criminals doing in the day.

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Haven't you seen all the news stories about men who kidnap children so they can abuse them sexually? It has nothing to do with money. They kidnap children so they can rape them.

Reba

The Nazi Weapons Law was 1938--that was before
WWII (1939-1945).

Liebling:-)))

This law is for jews.

It's not just gun but discriminate jew rights accord Nazi law... example like that: Courts, lawyers, police, etc. denied jew's rights, no matter what. Example: Jew reported police or court what the German break in and hurt them or beat them up... whatever.... Jews are not allow to marry German.....

German Government destoryed Nazi law and make new law. I only tell you what my hubby witnessed his Great Granddad's gun and how he shoot birds etc.

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Liebling:-)))

I think you read crimes too much.

You made alot of crimes question, it look like that you know too much about crimes than me.

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Liebling:-)))

No I mean different.

"most" mean is a lot...

"some" mean is few...


The police recommend us to go to self-defend group. (karate). We made Karate class at 10 years ago.

What you describe about crimes could be different between Germany and America because of high volience/aggressive, that's how make crimes stronger. Example: they cut unborn babies from mother's wombs in America with no feeling which Germans doesn't. I can tell thru your description that Americans's aggressive/volience are stronger than Germans. I'm not saying that we don't have like this here in Germany because I know there're crimes in Germany but I mean is aggressive/volience.
Yes, Germans crimes hurt victim but Americans are stronger. Alot of physical and Emotional abuse make them more aggressive and volience with no feeling.

Anyway, polices only warned because they know from their experience to deal with crimes and know their ways.

I remember Police asked us question in parent conference over Rapist estimate.

"The victims had been raped by well-known people (like friends, relatives) OR by Stranger". Which high%? Most of us answered: "Stranger". The police correct us that there're high % well-known people than strangers. We were because we thought it's strangers, not well-known people. wow That's what I guess the different countries we have... Police gave you information how to defend yourself because they have experience how to deal with crimes as German police to us, too.

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[QUOTE]Yes, you are right that I have no experience with guns. All what I know from my friends about "Gas gun". I will find out again.

Few? but there're many statistic shown in websites that it's high.
http://www.mediascope.org/pubs/ibriefs/yva.htm

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...32/ai_20413246

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/o.../11edguns.html

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But link says different.

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Notably, the overall fatal gun accident rate for the American population has been declining faster than the rate of most other types of accidents, such as car accidents or work accidents. From 1968 to 1988, the rate of fatal gun accidents fell from 1.2 per 100,000 population per year to 0.6 - a decline of 50%. In the same period, the motor vehicle fatal accident rate fell from 27.5 in 1968 to 20.1 in 1988 - a 27% decline. Work deaths declined 47%.

http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab13...01-099/v01n019

As what you said about swimming pool. Well, it's parental's or school's supersivon and must sure that they must be there to watch/teach their children/students how to swim which different as Gun. Is it meanfuling to teach the children how to shot?

Yes, it's correct but the guns should be restricted for sports shooting, gun clubs, hunters, polices, milatary etc., not ban. Here in Germany, the guns are restricted for the special reason.

Unfortunlately, it was happened at few years ago in Erfurt Germany, a 19 years old boy shoot 11 or 17 teachers and 2 students and then killed himself. Where he get gun from? Police found out from serial number of bullets and gun is from hunter club where he registered his membership.


I would tell you an example.
Unfortunlately, it was happened at few years ago in Erfurt Germany, a 19 years old boy shoot 11 or 17 teachers and 2 students and then killed himself. Where he get gun from? Police found out from serial number of bullets and gun is from hunter club where he registered his membership. He use gun to kill the people.
After that happened, German change few law to make stricter about gun rights.

And

I would suggest you to read American's and journalist Randall Collier, USA 's comment in those link how they feel about handgun. I know how they feeling because I have the same feeling as them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_r...g_tp/70511.stm

Good, I would have few to ask you question. I hope you don't mind to answer all of my question if you think my questions are nonsense. I make sure because I know from my friends who visited Texas in 1983. He told me that he and his mates want to go stores to buy something but all what they saw is guns are everywhere... He thought about "shoplifter"... shot them?

I remember the stories about deafies in America. One of stories, I remember at long time ago. The police want to call something to a young man and then shoot him because a young man "ignore" police's call. The police went after him but he is dead. Police was shock after found out he is DEAF. Oh dear! If deafies are shoplifter then RUN after them, not shoot them.

1. Would I being shot if I go to their property with no weapon but want to question them or ask for distance?

2. Would I being shot if I go wrong property?

3. Would I being shot if I pay unexpect visit to surprise my friends?

4. Do you think it's meanfuling to carry handgun to public? If yes, why?

5. Do you think it's meanfuling to leave your gun lock in the house to be safe before you go out? If not why?

6. Would I being threat by stores with gun if they "thought" I'm shoplift?

7. Would I being shot by stores because I'm shoplifter?


But Americans where I work with see different. They told me themselves after their visit to England that they feel safe in England than in America. Yes, I'm agree that there're high volience and crimes in England but Americans feel difference thru their experience between England and America. I can't say anything because I never been went to America before.

bigdaddyb, I can understand where you come from and what you beleive because you was raised to know that gun control is safe. I respect you but I see different. I think stricter gun control won't solve any problems, but improve the country and better to reduce crimes something like Improve law, education, reduce proverty, drug use as a medical problem, society etc. All what I saw the discussion is "Without guns, how will you protect yourself?" What's that... They should blame Government for neglect their people, not gun ban.


American comments
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/324871.stm

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Oh! I didn't read the story so I didn't know what really happened. But you're correct, I wouldn't enter the house either if I was the Grandmother. She put her life at risk and she lucky she didn't get hurt. Very Lucky.

But, on the bright side some people are very overprotective of their home and would want to know who is in their home, They would go any length to walk in and search around. But, it's not safe to do so. I agree.

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[QUOTE=Liebling:-)))]You just made my point right there. It's the parent's responsibility to teach their children responsibility in ALL facets of life.

It's very meaningful to teach kids to shoot. My kids love it, and are EXTREMELY safe with guns. U.S. Government stats show that children who are taught to shoot by their parents commit almost no gun crimes. Their percentage is below .01% of all gun crimes committed. Teaching a child to shoot teaches responsibility, patience, and safety.

The range officers comment on how my kids are safer than many adults that they see at the gun range.


This is really sad to me. One criminal acts. Thousands of innocent, law-abiding citizens lose their rights. That's punishing the innocent. Gun laws are only followed by the law-abiding. Criminals could care less about any laws. This is why I support tough, manditory sentences for gun crime. It punishes those who commit the crime.

I've read tons of stuff by American journalists. As a group, they have strong, anti-gun stances. They generally misquote figures, exaggerate facts, and at times, fabricate 'statistics' to support their point.

If you want to know about gun usage in America, look at U.S. Government statistics, not what the media gives you.

I don't think your ideas and questions are nonsense. I think they are misinformed. You're obviously an intelligent, thinking person. I just don't think you see the whole picture on this issue.


Nope. All of my neighbors own guns. Strangers are NEVER greeted with a displayed firearm.

It is illegal to shoot someone in Texas for just trespassing on your property. You'll go to prison for a LOOONNNNG time for that.

Nope. See above. It's not legal. I've lived in Texas for 13 years and lived in Louisiana for 25. I've NEVER heard of someone being shot for trespassing. Breaking into someone's house is another issue. Personally, I don't see you as the type to break into someone's house, so you'd be at ZERO risk.


Nope. See above.


Yes. I keep a handgun in my truck 100% of the time. It's on my person about 40% of the time that I'm away from home.

I've covered this in a previous post. For lawful self-defense. Take a look at the following link: http://keepandbeararms.org/opsd/

These are media documented, not pro-gun group documented, self-defense shootings in the US. Just read about the situations that innocent people found themselves in.

We see two kinds of reports here in TX. Crimes where the victim was armed and fought back, and those where the victims were unarmed and seriously hurt or killed. An armed response significantly increases your chances of surviving a violent incident.


Nope. I take it with me. I don't use gun locks. My guns are well hidden and my kids are trained in gun safety and don't touch them. Teach a kid to shoot, and they won't be curious about the gun anymore. It becomes just another thing that they do and not some exciting contraband item.

Nope. I've never seen shoplifting met with armed response, unless the shoplifter became violent when caught. Only private businesses here allow their employees to work armed anyway. Large corporations and malls don't allow it.

Nope. Armed robbery will get you shot. Shoplifting is a non-violent crime and is met with a non-violent response.

Actually, I don't support any gun laws that limit the freedoms of the law-abiding. If I haven't done anything wrong, my freedoms should be many. If I commit a crime, I should be severly punished.

Here's our biggest difference. I don't believe in depending on government to take care of me or anyone else. Taking care of me is my responsibility. Anything you depend on government for will eventually leave you disappointed. No government has ever succeeded in taking care of it's citizenry. People must be given maximum liberty and allowed to take care of themselves.

Freedom must never be limited because doing so MIGHT achieve some goal. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the police have NO responsibility to protect the individual. If that's the case, obviously government isn't going to be there for me in my time of need. I have to take care of myself and my family.

Just look at the hurricanes. Only those who took care of themselves came out ok. Those who looked to the government to take care of them ended up in a real tight spot.

It's not just about guns for me. It's about how I live my life. My guns are only a tool. No different than my hammer or wrenches. They have their purpose. Innocent people can be hurt or killed if I misuse any of my tools, or my car, or any number of other things that I own.

A person's safety depends on that person and on me. The device isn't responsible.

brianb

P.S. I'll gladly answer any further questions also.

RedFox

Thanks for this. Now I feel safe about Texas. That was why I was coming up with those silly examples for Reba. Of course, you're from Texas so you'd know the answer.

bigdaddyb

Glad to be of service.

Texas is actually a great place to live.

Just because we're willing to 'shoot someone' in the right situation doesn't mean we want to.

The paperwork and legalities for even the cleanest shoot are a real pain. The post traumatic stress can be a real drag too.

I hope my gun never sees that kind of action. I'm plenty happy with my guns being my 'playthings' that I take to the range and put holes in paper with.

brianb

Reba

Not really. I do not like to read stories about people hurting children. Every time I hear about a child being abused, in my mind I see my grandsons' faces. It makes me sick. But we can't hide our heads in the sand and pretend that bad things don't happen. If we ignore the bad news, we give power to the bad guys.

All these awful stories are the news every day and night.