rockdrummer

In another thread Shel90 provided the title to a paper on this topic that may be beneficial to post here. The link below is to an automatic download of a PDF document. If it doesnt automatically download then click on the "begin manual download" link". Here is the link to the download page.

The Use of ASL to Support the Development of English and Literacy -- Wilbur 5 (1): 81 -- The Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education

Here's a couple other links on the subject.

Sign Language - Does ASL Teach English?

Use of ASL To Teach Reading and Writing to Deaf Students: An Interactive Theoretical Perspective.

I am posting this for informational purposes and not attempting to debate the issue but all comments are welcome.

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jillio

Thanks for the links, rd. Don't have time to download and read right now, but will do so later tonight.

Interpretrator

Oh fantastic, this looks like just what I need for my literature review. Thanks for posting!

rockdrummer

No problem... Thanks to Shel for providing the title. I couldn't have found it without her.

shel90

Aww thanks..

Now I have to say thanks to my brother for leaving his big box of school materials.

I wish the kids would go away so I can sit and go thru all his research articles that he has collected but kids r having a bad day today. Grrrr. Maybe later.

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SJCSue

Shel, C'est la vie! I know what that is like with my nephews and my niece.

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Dixie

I too will peruse through the research at a later time as I dont want to hog up the internet ATM. Im in the process of geting a wireless router connected.

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jillio

Have finished reading the informationfromthe links and all are supportive of a bi-bi approach in education and the use of ASL in teaching deaf to read and write English.

rockdrummer

I personally think that it would be benificial to put links to research in this area. I see in alot of threads that some people cite things without backing them up with the source or links to the information and for me that doesn't work well. While I take opinions and suggestions under consideration they are not alone what drives my decisions. Those suggestions and opinions along with solid information and sources are what I draw my personal conclusions from. I know that I will post as much research information that I can in this area hoping to benefit others.

shel90

Yea, I need to work on improving that skill.

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Dixie

I to have read the articles and it was very eye opening. I have posted my thoughts on the article in Jilios thread in Our World, Our Culture section.

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Interpretrator

You are undoubtedly correct but the thing is coming here is my escape from work, and my work currently involves writing stuff about research. So the last thing I want to do is include citations in my forum posts!

However, when I finish my thesis (which has been postponed), I would be happy to post my reference list as well as other references I've come across along the way. I'll try to remember to do that.

jillio

Yeah, should I go ahead and post the references for the 150+ books, and the couple of thousand articles I have used over the years?

jillio

Thanks, Dixie. I just read your post and you hit the nail on the head. And, thanks to rd for posting the links that support what I have been saying all along in various threads.

rockdrummer

It would be helpful to others so why not. You don't have to post them all at once and you may even be able to simply provide links to the information. I think that would be a great service to folks seeking information and answers.

jillio

I will make an effort to be more conscientous in posting citations and references. However, inthese posts, I am normaly not quoting a source, or paraphrasing a source, but rather relying on knowledge that has been gained over the past 21 years. In the event that I have quoted or paraphrased from another, I have offered citation. Is anyone really able to offer a direct citation for something they learned 20 years ago? And just because a citation is not provided, is the knowledge invalidated?

I really don't think that offering citations will do much to improve the nature of the disucssions, as it has become obvious that those who ask for this information most often do not even bother to follow up when a citation is provided. The intent is not to request a citation for the purpose of learning and gaining new knowledge, but simply to challenge posters to "prove" their position. Nor do those that request citation most often hold themselves to the same standards by providing sources of their own. They simply challenge the opposing view without offering support for their own.

I believe we have had this discussion before, and I have taken time to offer you resources when it was clear that your intent was to actually take advantage of these resources and expand your knowledge base. I will make every effort necessary to explain and support anything I have to say when the one asking the question is actually asking a question in order to better understand. However, when the intent is simply to argue, it is a waste of time.

I might add, as well, that numerous books were offered as resources in another thread some time ago. I wonder how many have bothered to read any of those books?

Gamer12

you're right but be cautious -- researches and sources were funded by the "special interests" i.e. cochlear implant companies and asl-hating groups to boost their investments. it had happened many times in the biochemistry industry. the bastards like cspi had shit all over the researches that came out with unfavorable results which would affect their investments i.e. soybeans wholly. omitting the unfavorable results to make the final research look favorable. that's an oldest trick.

jillio

Exactly gamer 12. It's nice to notice that someone actually understands the limitations and bias of research funded by special interest groups.

Gamer12

from the article you linked to --

"I agree with Lisa Pooh more than anyone else. I have 2 hearing and 2 Deaf kids. All of them are exposed in ASL in their early years. Today, all are doing great in school including writing English. Always remember this: expose language such as ASL as much as possible before the age of 5 and the child should be communicate effectively to his/her parent before the age of 5 as well. Once communication is effectively established, the child's schooling years will be well founded. It is the parent's job to communicate in two way to their child. Saying PSE or SEE is better than ASL is plainly false."

there's only one response to this -- duh. that person has a very good point.

Gamer12

likewise. it's not difficult to see through that. it seems these days it's hard for some people to comprehend it.

jillio

Nah, not difficult. They just don't want to see it because it blows big holes in their argument.

rockdrummer

20 year old knowledge may in fact be invalid. We learn new things everyday and we also find that sometimes we get it wrong the first time around. Happens all the time.

I can't speak for others but for me there is nothing further from the truth.
I always take advantage of the resources provided by you and others.Sometimes arguments are constructive and even get folks to re-think their positions.
You can't just say I offered it in another thread. Do you realize how long it would take someone to search through all of your threads to find the specifics you mention. At least provide a link to the post or the thread you refer to.

rockdrummer

The same can be said for anything then... right? The reason I ask is because I always try to look at both sides before I draw my own personal conclusions. I consider myself to be fair and reasonable and always try to look at things objectivly without bias or any agenda. My only agenda is to be able to help my son become a happy, independant productive member of society.

jillio

Yes, 20 year old knowledge may be invalid, by the sythesization that knowwledge, plus the continual update and revision over a period of 20 years means that it is not invalid. I have waht I learned 20 years ago, I have what I learned 5 years ago, and I have what I've learned today. All of that if retained, compared, and synthesized to create the one body of knowledge that draws from all other.

You know what I don't get? I have had to do the work necessary to find any research that I use. No one walks up and hands it to me. It takes time and effort. Time and effort that I am willing to expend for the benefit that it brings....greater knowledge so as to better arrive at logical conclusions. Is someone else wants that knowledge, why is it that they are unwilling to to the work to get it?

And I do believe I exempted you from that category. That is why I am willling to share information with you. The thread of which I speak is one of cloggy's--no doubt posted inthe CI forum, requesting book titles about deafness. It ran a few months ago. I do not have the exact link, nor do I have the time to look for it now. However, there is the information regarding the post, and anyone who wants to can find it relatively easily. Why is it ithat I am expected to do all of the work in finding it? If you're interested, you'll take the time to find it, not ask someone else to do it for you. My time is every bit as valuable as anyone else's.

jillio

You can be more trusting of research that was done academically, because it is objective research. They have no economic motive tied to the answer they receive from the study.