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Unread 06-23-2006, 02:03 PM   #1
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Wrong Perspective About Christians

Thru of all of this and seen so many wrong idea what christian is. There are many different categories of christians, but same faith of Jesus Christ. The problem is this, many thinks christian mean when saved, then can go on sinning, which is not true. Many think Bible is just for christians is also not true, but yes the letters to the christians, but majority is also for non christians and also not realize what's behind of it all in the Bible. Fortunately, Messanic (those who were jews) have studied very deeply to make sure who Jesus really is and whyjews doesn't believe, and studied the histories of old testaments and portrayed of the coming of Messiah and thought meaning end of Roman powerss and other things when many thought of "world powers" and etc. As they studied, the genealogy of Joseph and Mary, and there is a line thru King David. And they continue on to study, like Hilel and other parts and found contradiction of the old testaments and deleting and adding to pervert of who Jesus really is and study really closely the purpose of the cross and some rleigious leader has actually blackmailed bec of there "people pleasers" to make people look up to them and jealous of who Jesus is. Jesus truly one of the most humblest man on earth, He is truly fully God and Man. They studied deeply which lead the jews to believe its been prophesied. And now many thinks christian can eat anything they wants, true in some parts. As I read about muslim vs mcdonald thing, you think christian on the contrary? No, not at all. Did you know christians has the diet food program and what we should eat to take care of the body? Many just think body is the temple of the Holy Spirit just focusing just about sex issues, and its not ture, its also about how you eat, how you think, how you say it and many other things. Like Paul said, only the work of the cross that the law be nailed, its not mean we don't have to follow the law as he quote from other people, that mean we can sin continue? He said No, we were dead to sin. So does he saying that if you sin, you don't have grace? No, that's not what he meant. Meaning that we should put to death of it daily. Let the Holy Spirit enable you to become more like Him, we are like silver and gold going thru the fire to burn off the smudge to be purify, its a daily process and saying we are in daily battle of the flesh. As I have seen like a wonderful example of a person who is a christian, and everyone love that person and unique and but the person still being modest and when found out she is a christian, what happen? Some doesn't like her bec she is a christian. Some view what they experience think she could be the same, which she isn't. There are many christians like her. Many christians learned everyday and God show personal adjustment what God called each one of them who loved His Son. There is so much wrong perspective what christian is.
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Unread 06-23-2006, 03:08 PM   #2
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Do you really think you know everything about christians and other religions? Are they the only things you can make a conversation with anyone?
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This is also the probel with that remarks, "do you think you know everything"? I don't care how much I "know". That's not the point in this, bec I'm a christian and what I have seen. I love my Jesus for what He has done for me, and that's all its matters. Really, you are looking at me just label and chose of your thinking against me bec I'm a christian. For me, when I have Christ in me, is not bec "they" are doing, that's not giving me excuse of what "they" do. I have seen many christians going over the line which not make me not to be a christian and that's not what christian is about.
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Fortunately, Messanic (those who were jews) have studied very deeply to make sure who Jesus really is and whyjews doesn't believe, and studied the histories of old testaments and portrayed of the coming of Messiah and thought meaning end of Roman powerss and other things when many thought of "world powers" and etc.
Messianic Jews typically don't know very much about Judaism. It is a fact that if a Jew seriously studied Judaism and the history of the people Israel they would never convert to a very shallow religion like Christianity.

Edit: Note that when I say "shallow" I mean it literally--lack of depth. Christianity is an easy religion to follow, but as a consequence of that, it's not very deep.

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As they studied, the genealogy of Joseph and Mary, and there is a line thru King David. And they continue on to study, like Hilel and other parts and found contradiction of the old testaments and deleting and adding to pervert of who Jesus really is and study really closely the purpose of the cross and some rleigious leader has actually blackmailed bec of there "people pleasers" to make people look up to them and jealous of who Jesus is.
What the heck are you talking about? No one is "jealous" of Jesus.

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Jesus truly one of the most humblest man on earth, He is truly fully God and Man.
Humble? The man cursed out a fig tree while he was drunk for not giving him fruit when it was out of season!
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Unread 06-23-2006, 03:36 PM   #5
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Messianic Jews typically don't know very much about Judaism. It is a fact that if a Jew seriously studied Judaism and the history of the people Israel they would never convert to a very shallow religion like Christianity.

Edit: Note that when I say "shallow" I mean it literally--lack of depth. Christianity is an easy religion to follow, but as a consequence of that, it's not very deep.



What the heck are you talking about? No one is "jealous" of Jesus.



Humble? The man cursed out a fig tree while he was drunk for not giving him fruit when it was out of season!
Where did you get that idea from ?
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Messianic Jews typically don't know very much about Judaism. It is a fact that if a Jew seriously studied Judaism and the history of the people Israel they would never convert to a very shallow religion like Christianity.

Edit: Note that when I say "shallow" I mean it literally--lack of depth. Christianity is an easy religion to follow, but as a consequence of that, it's not very deep.



What the heck are you talking about? No one is "jealous" of Jesus.



Humble? The man cursed out a fig tree while he was drunk for not giving him fruit when it was out of season!
Oh my Lord, you are saying that just like the pharisees claiming and accuse the Messianic group and even Paul talked about Judaism. The old testatment talked about the fig tree likewise about peoples fruitless living and PLUS JESUS WAS NOT DRUNK, I'm appalled by your insult of that. I have no clue why you keep insult and timidating and falsifying that's what christians are. Like I said, see what christian so rude remarks, mm, that's what you are doing likewise. You don't know the depth of it. There are christians who were jewish, islam, hindus and etc, each of those knows the histories of their religions and knowing their Torah, Koran and etc why they believe. Don't tell me they are lacking, you said it out of pride and hatred. When I'm new here, I see rude remarks about reba behaving and telling me that I am new here and not know much about reba, I ve been here long enuf, and truthfully it really wasn't her, its some of you of some of yall cruel remarks. Its enough of that. No, I will not hold bitter against you. You are not trying to respect of our beiefs and who we stand for. You applaud different religion and respect different religion, but not one hint of applauding and respect of the christians, even we don't want that earn of it, we do it what God called us to do and learn His ways than follow man's philosphies. I love Him so much for what He has done for me.
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Oh my Lord, you are saying that just like the pharisees claiming and accuse the Messianic group and even Paul talked about Judaism.
Judaism isn't a religion for everyone. It's very deep, much deeper than Christianity, but instant gratification is not a part of it and that turns some off.

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PLUS JESUS WAS NOT DRUNK.
Sure he was. You'd have to be pretty drunk to go up to a fig tree (out of season, no less) and say "Give me food! A curse be upon you for not supplying me with nourishment!"

If Jesus was fully human (but also mysteriously a god), he certainly had the physical capacity to get drunk and I doubt that he never drank in his life.

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You don't know the depth of it.
I was raised Christian. I know the lack of depth of Christianity because I lived it for many years of my life. You don't know what depth is, religiously speaking, because you've never stepped into other waters. Try reading Buddhist or Hindu sutras. Try reading midrashim or the Talmud. That's depth.

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There are christians who were jewish, islam, hindus and etc, each of those knows the histories of their religions and knowing their Torah, Koran and etc why they believe.
The Torah, Qur'an, etc. are not valid reasons in and of themselves to believe in the divinity of Jesus.

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Don't tell me they are lacking, you said it out of pride and hatred.
Basic Christianity is lacking.

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You are not trying to respect of our beiefs and who we stand for. You applaud different religion and respect different religion, but not one hint of applauding and respect of the christians, even we don't want that earn of it, we do it what God called us to do and learn His ways than follow man's philosphies.
Then you have absolutely no understanding of my opinion of Christianity whatsoever. Yes, I think that the person that started your religion was a man, not a god or a god-as-a-man. Yes, I'm going to deny that the person who started your religion was not a god.

I do not think Christianity is a bad religion. It works for many people around the world. It doesn't work for me because it doesn't have the depth that exists in other religions. That doesn't mean I'm biased against it. That means I recognize that it's not deep enough for me as an individual and that I need to practice something else. I do not, however, measure the world by my own yardstick. The depth one needs in a religion varies from individual to individual. For a great many people, Christianity is a good fit.

Religion is all about having a meaningful connection and relationship with God and becoming a better individual.
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Messianic Jews typically don't know very much about Judaism. It is a fact that if a Jew seriously studied Judaism and the history of the people Israel they would never convert to a very shallow religion like Christianity.
That's a "fact" huh?

I have met several Jews who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. (BTW, they don't all call themselves "Messianic Jews".) Most of them were Jews who did seriously study Judaism and live observant lives. For them, it was because they seriously studied Judaism, and questioned their rabbis and really questioned Christians, that they made their decisions.
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...Religion is all about having a meaningful connection and relationship with God and becoming a better individual.
It's too bad that whatever "religion" you are following hasn't provided you with more inner peace. Perhaps you haven't yet found what you are seeking?
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It's too bad that whatever "religion" you are following hasn't provided you with more inner peace. Perhaps you haven't yet found what you are seeking?
What's to say that I haven't?
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Judaism isn't a religion for everyone. It's very deep, much deeper than Christianity, but instant gratification is not a part of it and that turns some off.



Sure he was. You'd have to be pretty drunk to go up to a fig tree (out of season, no less) and say "Give me food! A curse be upon you for not supplying me with nourishment!"

If Jesus was fully human (but also mysteriously a god), he certainly had the physical capacity to get drunk and I doubt that he never drank in his life.



I was raised Christian. I know the lack of depth of Christianity because I lived it for many years of my life. You don't know what depth is, religiously speaking, because you've never stepped into other waters. Try reading Buddhist or Hindu sutras. Try reading midrashim or the Talmud. That's depth.



The Torah, Qur'an, etc. are not valid reasons in and of themselves to believe in the divinity of Jesus.



Basic Christianity is lacking.



Then you have absolutely no understanding of my opinion of Christianity whatsoever. Yes, I think that the person that started your religion was a man, not a god or a god-as-a-man. Yes, I'm going to deny that the person who started your religion was not a god.

I do not think Christianity is a bad religion. It works for many people around the world. It doesn't work for me because it doesn't have the depth that exists in other religions. That doesn't mean I'm biased against it. That means I recognize that it's not deep enough for me as an individual and that I need to practice something else. I do not, however, measure the world by my own yardstick. The depth one needs in a religion varies from individual to individual. For a great many people, Christianity is a good fit.

Religion is all about having a meaningful connection and relationship with God and becoming a better individual.
Well, teresh, I will not discuss further in this matter, and obvious, you are in a denial. It doesn't matter where you were raised. The way your perspective of judaism and ohter religions isn't really why they "make sense" and whatever you look at, you doing it out of anger or bitter or something and the way you said that christian isn't a bad thing, but by your remarks and attitude, its showing you think christians is a bad thing. Like I said, I will not going to get bitter against you, bec its not worth to act that way.
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Well, teresh, I will not discuss further in this matter, and obvious, you are in a denial.
Not "in denial", I just have different beliefs.

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The way your perspective of judaism and ohter religions isn't really why they "make sense" and whatever you look at, you doing it out of anger or bitter or something and the way you said that christian isn't a bad thing, but by your remarks and attitude, its showing you think christians is a bad thing.
Absolutely not. I hold no negative bias against Christianity or its adherents. I acknowledge that you do not understand this fact. Duly noted.
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I know that the bible isn't only for the Christians people, but anyone would are interesting in reading and getting the knowledge of the bible. But, Don't get me wrong, some Christians are too controlling, so pushy and unaware of other people’s boundaries. I most certainly do not want to be tell how to behave. I aren't perfect, but who is anyways.
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It's too bad that whatever "religion" you are following hasn't provided you with more inner peace. Perhaps you haven't yet found what you are seeking?
Hi Reba-

I agree with you.
 
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Did you know that
Lord is NOT impressed with anyone who
flaunt her knowledge/intelligent level
(almost like wasting your time for these
kind of knowledge )

The Lord would be impressed with you ONLY
if you have the Faith, Hope and Charity
which are far more important than
"knowledge" or "intelligent" or "depth"

No Jesus, No Peace.
Know Jesus, Know Peace.
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Did you know that
Lord is NOT impressed with anyone who
flaunt her knowledge/intelligent level
(almost like wasting your time for these
kind of knowledge )

The Lord would be impressed with you ONLY
if you have the Faith, Hope and Charity
which are far more important than
"knowledge" or "intelligent" or "depth"

Of course, thats up to you with your own decisions
with your own Life.

No Jesus, No Peace.
Know Jesus, Know Peace.
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Did you know that
Lord is NOT impressed with anyone who
flaunt her knowledge/intelligent level
(almost like wasting your time for these
kind of knowledge )

The Lord would be impressed with you ONLY
if you have the Faith, Hope and Charity
which are far more important than
"knowledge" or "intelligent" or "depth"

No Jesus, No Peace.
Know Jesus, Know Peace.
Exactly right!!!!!
 
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Did you know that
Lord is NOT impressed with anyone who
flaunt her knowledge/intelligent level
(almost like wasting your time for these
kind of knowledge )

The Lord would be impressed with you ONLY
if you have the Faith, Hope and Charity
which are far more important than
"knowledge" or "intelligent" or "depth"

Of course, thats up to you with your own decisions
with your own Life.

No Jesus, No Peace.
Know Jesus, Know Peace.
Funny how you're doing exactly the same thing, and yet you claim to be superior, something I myself have not claimed.

Edit: By your logic, we cannot even discuss religion because that would require sharing and discussing the knowledge that we've acquired... That belief, that discussion and debate is not the way of God, is precisely what turns me off most about Christianity.
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Teresh --

FYI, Jesus was never drunk in His entire life. He was very Humble man among His people on this earth before crucifixion. Show me where did it say that He was drunk in the bible ?
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Most of Chrisitans have wrong perspectives about Hindu....
 
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Care to explain what's your perspective about Hindu ?
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FYI, Jesus was never drunk in His entire life. He was very Humble man among His people on this earth before crucifixion. Show me where did it say that He was drunk in the bible ?
It doesn't say it anywhere in the text, but given the time period and his being a Jew (and his water-to-wine trick), we can infer that he did consume alcohol at least once in his life. 18 years of his life are essentially skipped in the text--We can assume, though, that he was, in fact, alive and living during those years, no? A lot of stuff could've happened during that time. We'll never know what took place, but we can assume he was essentially a normal Jew for the time.

So did he ever get drunk, even once? We don't know, but a lot can happen in thirty years, so I don't doubt it.
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Just curious about yourself......

Are you deaf or hard of hearing or hearing?
 
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Teresh-

Just curious about yourself......

Are you deaf or hard of hearing or hearing?
I identify as hard of hearing.

I am 60% deaf in both ears, though the percentage isn't the most accurate way of describing it. I can hear low tones easily even without a hearing aid while I can't hear high tones at all.
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I identify as hard of hearing.

I am 60% deaf in both ears, though the percentage isn't the most accurate way of describing it. I can hear low tones easily even without a hearing aid while I can't hear high tones at all.
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What's to say that I haven't?
Because your posts are so full of anger, bitterness, and harsh language.

Debating doesn't need to include insult. The mocking and cutting down come from something other than presenting a case. There is bitterness at the root.
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Debating doesn't need to include insult. The mocking and cutting down come from something other than presenting a case. There is bitterness at the root.
Not bitterness--frustration.

Inflection--the way something is said, is lost in text, and it's a lot easier to misunderstand as a result as a lot of the color of the language is lost. I concede that I have, at times, been ambiguous in that matter--saying things that could be intepreted differently from the way I intend them. I'll work on that. I have, at times, been out of line with the way that I've phrased things about individuals, and I'll stop that because it doesn't really reflect how I feel.

That said, I will not relent with critical statements or questions I ask; That is not my way. You defend your beliefs, I'll defend mine.
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It doesn't say it anywhere in the text...
Then you can't make that presumption. That's called libel.


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but given the time period and his being a Jew...
Not all Jews drank fermented wine. Jews who took the Nazarite vows were forbidden the fruit of the vine.

Numbers 6
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD: 3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

Remember Samson...

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7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.

...and John the Baptist

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13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. 14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. 15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.


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So did he ever get drunk, even once? We don't know, but a lot can happen in thirty years, so I don't doubt it.
In other words, you're just making it up. Nothing in the Bible says that Jesus was drunk. The Bible does say that Jesus was without sin. It also says that drunkeness is sin. So, if drunkeness is sin, and Jesus was without sin, then Jesus was NOT drunk.
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... I have, at times, been out of line with the way that I've phrased things about individuals, and I'll stop that because it doesn't really reflect how I feel.
I have to monitor that with myself, too.


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That said, I will not relent with critical statements or questions I ask; That is not my way. You defend your beliefs, I'll defend mine.
That's fair enough. I think that can be accomplished without insulting individuals, or groups of indivduals.
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Amen to that !!!!!
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