No proxy vp number

Chevy57 · 06-26-2008, 05:48 AM

Your Sorenson VP will be no proxy (fake) numbers anymore. FCC orders to throw out proxy directory till end of December 31, 2008.

See AD forum and look for FCC orders 911 and numbers for internet relay.
http://www.alldeaf.com/relay-service...ml#post1017836

***Brian*** · 06-26-2008, 06:33 AM

What is Sorenson gonna do with the DeafVP.com site? Delete the whole directory and make people to register again, etc?

AT&T and Go America (i711/IP-Relay) are going to allow people to register for the assigned numbers sometime in July. I wonder, since Sorenson has not announced when they would follow AT&T and Go America, how would this work on Sorenson VPs?

authentic · 06-26-2008, 06:52 AM

Is that you in video?

JClarke · 06-26-2008, 07:03 AM

Authentic, no - that's not dbarovian on the video. That's the dude who owns deafvideo.tv - dbarovian just found this off youtube and thought that you guys would know what's going on.

Chevy57 · 06-26-2008, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

What is Sorenson gonna do with the DeafVP.com site? Delete the whole directory and make people to register again, etc?

AT&T and Go America (i711/IP-Relay) are going to allow people to register for the assigned numbers sometime in July. I wonder, since Sorenson has not announced when they would follow AT&T and Go America, how would this work on Sorenson VPs?

Yes, Right. MVP and new VideoSign 3.0 will be coming soon. Hovrs will give new real phone number when you will register. I think that you already have real number to give it into Sorenson vp.

Chevy57 · 06-26-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by authentic

Is that you in video?

no, for Trayler vlog

JClarke · 06-26-2008, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbarovian

no, for Trayler vlog

You mean Tayler - NOT Trayler?

Boult · 06-26-2008, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

What is Sorenson gonna do with the DeafVP.com site? Delete the whole directory and make people to register again, etc?

AT&T and Go America (i711/IP-Relay) are going to allow people to register for the assigned numbers sometime in July. I wonder, since Sorenson has not announced when they would follow AT&T and Go America, how would this work on Sorenson VPs?

No, DeafVP.com is not a "proxy directory" Proxy directory is a server that handle vp numbers when you call other vp callers.

DeafVP.com will stay intact and when we see changes from SorensonVRS then we all will update our information on DeafVP.com anyway...

so again proxy directory does not equal DeafvP directory.

Chevy57 · 06-26-2008, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JClarke

You mean Tayler - NOT Trayler?

you are right about correct name of Tayler. Thank you.

Boult · 06-26-2008, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

AT&T and Go America (i711/IP-Relay) are going to allow people to register for the assigned numbers sometime in July. I wonder, since Sorenson has not announced when they would follow AT&T and Go America, how would this work on Sorenson VPs?

IP-Relay already provide real number with local area code I have had it for several years. IP-Relay.com although when hearing callers call the number, IP-Relay contact you via IM on any device, desktop computer, SK, BB or whatever that use AIM

JClarke · 06-26-2008, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbarovian

you are right about correct name of Tayler. Thank you.

No worries

***Jolie77*** · 06-26-2008, 08:17 PM

Mod's Note:

Thread's moved to it's proper location.

Chevy57 · 06-26-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolie77

Mod's Note:

Thread's moved to it's proper location.

Thank you!

***Jolie77*** · 06-26-2008, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbarovian

Thank you!

You're welcome

Rock2HAL · 06-28-2008, 12:14 AM

So will this affect ppl who do computer webcam to vp then? Thanks for the info.

JClarke · 06-28-2008, 03:36 AM

Thats what I thought too.. I wonder if it will affect to the people with webcam and computers?

Chevy57 · 06-28-2008, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock2HAL

So will this affect ppl who do computer webcam to vp then? Thanks for the info.

Yes, new Hovrs VideoSign 3.0 includes purple number (10-digit real telephone number) to call Sorenson VP, OJO, MVP, VPAD, etc.
FCC is requiring all VRS and IP users to register to get the TN. FCC is also asking for comments on verificaiton procedure - and hinted that best to leave it up to the VRS and IP providers to determine that, but did say VRS and IP providers need to be very sure that the TN given to the VRS or IP users are the legit users, not not a scammer. This one is gonna be interesting and a real challenge for VRS and IP providers. A couple VRS providers have told me that it is “impossible” to have a foolproof verification procedure. Being eternally optimist, I think it is possible to get at least 95% and that would greatly minimize scammed relay calls. We’ll see how all this plays out.

Rock2Hal, I know that you still have problem with VideoSign 2.5. Hovrs support said that some customers had problem with it in Windows Vista operation. They said that new VideoSign 3.0 will work with Window Vista. I hope so.

Rock2HAL · 06-28-2008, 04:24 PM

Me too. TY for the info.

Chevy57 · 06-28-2008, 09:48 PM

QUOTE=Rock2HAL;1020714]Me too. TY for the info.[/QUOTE]

RickL66 · 06-30-2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boult

IP-Relay already provide real number with local area code I have had it for several years. IP-Relay.com although when hearing callers call the number, IP-Relay contact you via IM on any device, desktop computer, SK, BB or whatever that use AIM

That's true, it has been downgraded to just AIM after they have merged with GoAmerica. They used to be able to call you on a video phone, but now they can only contact you by AIM. That kind of sucks.

Etoile · 06-30-2008, 05:53 PM

I can't believe people are still talking about Sorenson VP numbers being "fake" and saying they want "real" phone numbers. Let me put this very, very clearly.

High speed internet does not work on the phone system. Your VP does not have a phone number, it is connected to the internet, not a phone.

You cannot have a phone number for your VP because that's not the way technology works. Your VP only has an IP address, same for VOIP services like Vonage. Nobody who uses the internet for communications has a real phone number, what you have is a code that is 10 digits that tells the person what IP to connect to. That's all it is, not a phone number! This is why some people have VP numbers that are not available to dial with a phone. Let's say I know someone whose VP number is (212) 003-5268. You can't use a zero to start when you dial a phone. So it looks like a real number, but it's not.

As for opening the directory...that means opening it so people who use IP addresses (like webcam users) can also use these fake phone numbers. Instead of typing 244.85.36.50 to call my friend, I can just use her fake 212 number. The big "secret" is just what the number translates to. What if no VPs ever had anything but IP numbers? What if Sorenson didn't use this easy-to-remember 10-digit number? Well then we would all be dialing IP addresses and nobody would feel they were missing anything. Because that's all a Sorenson number is...a code that translates into an IP address. Same thing for My IP Relay. They use a phone number and it translates into an AIM name. Same thing. NONE of these are "real" phone numbers, if you pick up a regular phone and call, you cannot be connected to someone using AIM! You are on a phone and they are on the internet. Two different things.

The new DirectVP numbers from Sorenson are a step in the right direction, but they are not YOUR VP's number. When someone dials that number, the Sorenson system sees what number they were calling, and translates that into an IP address that is connected with that number. But you're still going through that translation process.

Now, the point of having these numbers is to make it easier to remember. If it is 10 digits, then we are very used to remembering that kind of number because we use it for phones. It also fits into software very nicely...anytime someone needs to record a phone number, the program lets them put in 10 digits, so these aliases ("fake" numbers) fit very well.

But VPs (and My IP Relay and Vonage) don't use "real" phone numbers. They use 10-digit codes that the software translates into an IP address and connects to you.

If I am misunderstanding the issue, please tell me. This has frustrated me for a long time that people don't know how VP connections work. They get very upset because they can't have a "real" number but they don't realize how it works and WHY they don't get a "real" number. I just want people to understand how it works. And of course if I am wrong, please correct me.

TechBill · 06-30-2008, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etoile

I can't believe people are still talking about Sorenson VP numbers being "fake" and saying they want "real" phone numbers. Let me put this very, very clearly.

High speed internet does not work on the phone system. Your VP does not have a phone number, it is connected to the internet, not a phone.

You cannot have a phone number for your VP because that's not the way technology works. Your VP only has an IP address, same for VOIP services like Vonage. Nobody who uses the internet for communications has a real phone number, what you have is a code that is 10 digits that tells the person what IP to connect to. That's all it is, not a phone number! This is why some people have VP numbers that are not available to dial with a phone. Let's say I know someone whose VP number is (212) 003-5268. You can't use a zero to start when you dial a phone. So it looks like a real number, but it's not.

As for opening the directory...that means opening it so people who use IP addresses (like webcam users) can also use these fake phone numbers. Instead of typing 244.85.36.50 to call my friend, I can just use her fake 212 number. The big "secret" is just what the number translates to. What if no VPs ever had anything but IP numbers? What if Sorenson didn't use this easy-to-remember 10-digit number? Well then we would all be dialing IP addresses and nobody would feel they were missing anything. Because that's all a Sorenson number is...a code that translates into an IP address. Same thing for My IP Relay. They use a phone number and it translates into an AIM name. Same thing. NONE of these are "real" phone numbers, if you pick up a regular phone and call, you cannot be connected to someone using AIM! You are on a phone and they are on the internet. Two different things.

The new DirectVP numbers from Sorenson are a step in the right direction, but they are not YOUR VP's number. When someone dials that number, the Sorenson system sees what number they were calling, and translates that into an IP address that is connected with that number. But you're still going through that translation process.

Now, the point of having these numbers is to make it easier to remember. If it is 10 digits, then we are very used to remembering that kind of number because we use it for phones. It also fits into software very nicely...anytime someone needs to record a phone number, the program lets them put in 10 digits, so these aliases ("fake" numbers) fit very well.

But VPs (and My IP Relay and Vonage) don't use "real" phone numbers. They use 10-digit codes that the software translates into an IP address and connects to you.

If I am misunderstanding the issue, please tell me. This has frustrated me for a long time that people don't know how VP connections work. They get very upset because they can't have a "real" number but they don't realize how it works and WHY they don't get a "real" number. I just want people to understand how it works. And of course if I am wrong, please correct me.

You misunderstood.

We know VP always will use ip addressing system and need to be linked into a Sorenson server to be able to contact you. But with the new upcoming system we can have a real phone number linked into our ip addressing system via relay service only.

So we can give out just 1 number to any hearing people we want and when they call this real phone number it will go to a relay service of our choosing or relay service we pick we want to use then the relay service system will bring up a list of options to contact you if it AIM or VP or Email etc.

But the old way - We get a real number and we are stuck with this relay service who provide us the real number.

New way - We get a real number and we keep it for lifetime even if we change relay service example we got real number from Sorenson but not happy with Sorenson so we want to switch to ipRelay and then Sorenson have to give up the number and let ipRelay take it over for us to the new FCC rule.

With real number we *still* have to use relay service but no more "800" relay number then hearing people have to tell relay service our VP number or ip address to contact us and 90 percent of hearing people don't want to deal with this hassle of dailing and telling another number.

Now hearing people dial a real number which contact to relay and relay already know which deaf person real number belong to instant on thier computer screen.

I been using ipRelay for over a year with a real number from them and it works very good. All hearing people try to contact me but if I am not at AIM or VP etc then they leave a message which is sent to me via email just like a hearing people answering machine. New FCC rules will greatly improve this and allowing more freedom with the real number instead of limiting you.

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Etoile · 06-30-2008, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechBill

You misunderstood.

We know VP always will use ip addressing system and need to be linked into a Sorenson server to be able to contact you. But with the new upcoming system we can have a real phone number linked into our ip addressing system via relay service only.

So we can give out just 1 number to any hearing people we want and when they call this real phone number it will go to a relay service of our choosing or relay service we pick we want to use then the relay service system will bring up a list of options to contact you if it AIM or VP or Email etc.

But the old way - We get a real number and we are stuck with this relay service who provide us the real number.

New way - We get a real number and we keep it for lifetime even if we change relay service example we got real number from Sorenson but not happy with Sorenson so we want to switch to ipRelay and then Sorenson have to give up the number and let ipRelay take it over for us to the new FCC rule.

With real number we *still* have to use relay service but no more "800" relay number then hearing people have to tell relay service our VP number or ip address to contact us and 90 percent of hearing people don't want to deal with this hassle of dailing and telling another number.

Now hearing people dial a real number which contact to relay and relay already know which deaf person real number belong to instant on thier computer screen.

I been using ipRelay for over a year with a real number from them and it works very good. All hearing people try to contact me but if I am not at AIM or VP etc then they leave a message which is sent to me via email just like a hearing people answering machine. New FCC rules will greatly improve this and allowing more freedom with the real number instead of limiting you.

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AHHHHHH. So when people talk about wanting a "real" number, what they are talking about is that they want portability. See, when I hear people talk about real vs. fake numbers, I think they are talking about a number that works with the phone system rather than a made-up number that doesn't (like my 212-003-1234 example). In all the times I have been seeing complaints about this issue, nobody ever said the word portability or described it like you have. Thank you!

My question for you though: Why are people mad at Sorenson about this? Why don't people get mad at My IP Relay about it, like they get mad at Sorenson? I see a lot of people mad at Sorenson and nobody mad at My IP Relay.

My goodness, I am so happy you described it properly for me, I feel SO much better now that I understand what the issue is!

JClarke · 06-30-2008, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechBill

You misunderstood.

We know VP always will use ip addressing system and need to be linked into a Sorenson server to be able to contact you. But with the new upcoming system we can have a real phone number linked into our ip addressing system via relay service only.

So we can give out just 1 number to any hearing people we want and when they call this real phone number it will go to a relay service of our choosing or relay service we pick we want to use then the relay service system will bring up a list of options to contact you if it AIM or VP or Email etc.

But the old way - We get a real number and we are stuck with this relay service who provide us the real number.

New way - We get a real number and we keep it for lifetime even if we change relay service example we got real number from Sorenson but not happy with Sorenson so we want to switch to ipRelay and then Sorenson have to give up the number and let ipRelay take it over for us to the new FCC rule.

With real number we *still* have to use relay service but no more "800" relay number then hearing people have to tell relay service our VP number or ip address to contact us and 90 percent of hearing people don't want to deal with this hassle of dailing and telling another number.

Now hearing people dial a real number which contact to relay and relay already know which deaf person real number belong to instant on thier computer screen.

I been using ipRelay for over a year with a real number from them and it works very good. All hearing people try to contact me but if I am not at AIM or VP etc then they leave a message which is sent to me via email just like a hearing people answering machine. New FCC rules will greatly improve this and allowing more freedom with the real number instead of limiting you.

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That makes sense since I can understand what Tayler said in the Vlog

Chevy57 · 06-30-2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TechBill

You misunderstood.

We know VP always will use ip addressing system and need to be linked into a Sorenson server to be able to contact you. But with the new upcoming system we can have a real phone number linked into our ip addressing system via relay service only.

So we can give out just 1 number to any hearing people we want and when they call this real phone number it will go to a relay service of our choosing or relay service we pick we want to use then the relay service system will bring up a list of options to contact you if it AIM or VP or Email etc.

But the old way - We get a real number and we are stuck with this relay service who provide us the real number.

New way - We get a real number and we keep it for lifetime even if we change relay service example we got real number from Sorenson but not happy with Sorenson so we want to switch to ipRelay and then Sorenson have to give up the number and let ipRelay take it over for us to the new FCC rule.

With real number we *still* have to use relay service but no more "800" relay number then hearing people have to tell relay service our VP number or ip address to contact us and 90 percent of hearing people don't want to deal with this hassle of dailing and telling another number.

Now hearing people dial a real number which contact to relay and relay already know which deaf person real number belong to instant on thier computer screen.

I been using ipRelay for over a year with a real number from them and it works very good. All hearing people try to contact me but if I am not at AIM or VP etc then they leave a message which is sent to me via email just like a hearing people answering machine. New FCC rules will greatly improve this and allowing more freedom with the real number instead of limiting you.

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TechBill, I agree that No more Sorenson, OJO, Dlink directories. need open directory. SorensonVP users want to keep proxy number as new NP. I can't keep it. Because hearing caller use VRS in this number though tty or fax instead of VP. Many deafies dislike public ip number. DSL always change public ip address in few days.

Etoile · 06-30-2008, 07:46 PM

Okay, I just watched the vlog! (I made my last post from my Blackberry so I hadn't seen the vlog yet.)

I understand #2 completely, that is the portability issue that TechBill explained. It makes perfect sense!

Now about #1...is this the 212-003-1234 issue that I mentioned? When they say "real" phone number do they mean one that follows all the rules for what phone numbers can or can't be? (Can't start with 0 or 1, etc) Is THAT the difference between "fake" and "real" numbers?

It is all becoming clear to me. Everything I said is still true, you still can't dial a phone and talk to someone over the internet, but the point is that I was talking about something completely different. My apologies.

Etoile · 06-30-2008, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbarovian

TechBill, I agree that No more Sorenson, OJO, Dlink directories. need open directory. SorensonVP users want to keep proxy number as new NP. I can't keep it. Because hearing caller use VRS in this number though tty or fax instead of VP. Many deafies dislike public ip number. DSL always change public ip address in few days.

I thought you are required to buy a static IP from your internet provider in order to use VP?

JClarke · 06-30-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

I thought you are required to buy a static IP from your internet provider in order to use VP?

Nah, but it seems strange for mine - my IP address has been the same for the last 3 months, it might be the static IP?

TechBill · 06-30-2008, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etoile

Okay, I just watched the vlog! (I made my last post from my Blackberry so I hadn't seen the vlog yet.)

I understand #2 completely, that is the portability issue that TechBill explained. It makes perfect sense!

Now about #1...is this the 212-003-1234 issue that I mentioned? When they say "real" phone number do they mean one that follows all the rules for what phone numbers can or can't be? (Can't start with 0 or 1, etc) Is THAT the difference between "fake" and "real" numbers?

It is all becoming clear to me. Everything I said is still true, you still can't dial a phone and talk to someone over the internet, but the point is that I was talking about something completely different. My apologies.

You are correct "portability" is what we're talking about.

It is nice of relay service to offer us real number number to give to hearing people to have a direct contact to our VP or AIM etc via relay service but right now that "feature" is limited to only relay service you got the number from which is a "no no" by FCC rules.

So now FCC is saying that number must be transferrable to any relay service of your choosing and belong to you until you don't want it anymore.

I don't think anyone is mad at Sorenson, I was just using Sorenson and IPrelay as an example of tranferring number between relay service.

So the real number we get is what we should be able to keep in our lifetime like what hearing people are allowed with their cell phone or landline phone numbers states the FCC laws making us equal to hearing people's "portability"

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TechBill · 06-30-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Etoile

I thought you are required to buy a static IP from your internet provider in order to use VP?

No static ip is needed since your VP is linked to their home server and a proxy number is provided to your VP so they know what is your ip address even if it changes all the time as long it stay connect to their home server or "mothership" most geek calls it.

Same with Ojo is also connects to home server "mothership" to keep track of your ip address and know where to reach you on the internet.

Some VP or webcam you have to inform other of your ip address because it does not have a home server to connect to unless you use webcam with viable software which connect to viable home server and can keep track where you reach you on internet.

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06-26-2008, 05:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
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06-26-2008, 06:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
*Brian* 極度の調整器 Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4,545	What is Sorenson gonna do with the DeafVP.com site? Delete the whole directory and make people to register again, etc? AT&T and Go America (i711/IP-Relay) are going to allow people to register for the assigned numbers sometime in July. I wonder, since Sorenson has not announced when they would follow AT&T and Go America, how would this work on Sorenson VPs?

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06-30-2008, 05:53 PM	#21 (permalink)
Etoile legally married :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts: 1,086	I can't believe people are still talking about Sorenson VP numbers being "fake" and saying they want "real" phone numbers. Let me put this very, very clearly. High speed internet does not work on the phone system. Your VP does not have a phone number, it is connected to the internet, not a phone. You cannot have a phone number for your VP because that's not the way technology works. Your VP only has an IP address, same for VOIP services like Vonage. Nobody who uses the internet for communications has a real phone number, what you have is a code that is 10 digits that tells the person what IP to connect to. That's all it is, not a phone number! This is why some people have VP numbers that are not available to dial with a phone. Let's say I know someone whose VP number is (212) 003-5268. You can't use a zero to start when you dial a phone. So it looks like a real number, but it's not. As for opening the directory...that means opening it so people who use IP addresses (like webcam users) can also use these fake phone numbers. Instead of typing 244.85.36.50 to call my friend, I can just use her fake 212 number. The big "secret" is just what the number translates to. What if no VPs ever had anything but IP numbers? What if Sorenson didn't use this easy-to-remember 10-digit number? Well then we would all be dialing IP addresses and nobody would feel they were missing anything. Because that's all a Sorenson number is...a code that translates into an IP address. Same thing for My IP Relay. They use a phone number and it translates into an AIM name. Same thing. NONE of these are "real" phone numbers, if you pick up a regular phone and call, you cannot be connected to someone using AIM! You are on a phone and they are on the internet. Two different things. The new DirectVP numbers from Sorenson are a step in the right direction, but they are not YOUR VP's number. When someone dials that number, the Sorenson system sees what number they were calling, and translates that into an IP address that is connected with that number. But you're still going through that translation process. Now, the point of having these numbers is to make it easier to remember. If it is 10 digits, then we are very used to remembering that kind of number because we use it for phones. It also fits into software very nicely...anytime someone needs to record a phone number, the program lets them put in 10 digits, so these aliases ("fake" numbers) fit very well. But VPs (and My IP Relay and Vonage) don't use "real" phone numbers. They use 10-digit codes that the software translates into an IP address and connects to you. If I am misunderstanding the issue, please tell me. This has frustrated me for a long time that people don't know how VP connections work. They get very upset because they can't have a "real" number but they don't realize how it works and WHY they don't get a "real" number. I just want people to understand how it works. And of course if I am wrong, please correct me. __________________ "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." -Gandhi

06-30-2008, 07:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
Etoile legally married :) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts: 1,086	Okay, I just watched the vlog! (I made my last post from my Blackberry so I hadn't seen the vlog yet.) I understand #2 completely, that is the portability issue that TechBill explained. It makes perfect sense! Now about #1...is this the 212-003-1234 issue that I mentioned? When they say "real" phone number do they mean one that follows all the rules for what phone numbers can or can't be? (Can't start with 0 or 1, etc) Is THAT the difference between "fake" and "real" numbers? It is all becoming clear to me. Everything I said is still true, you still can't dial a phone and talk to someone over the internet, but the point is that I was talking about something completely different. My apologies. __________________ "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." -Gandhi

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