Deaf School or Oral School? - Page 5

DeafCaroline · 09-27-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

I was simply pointing out that in the mainstream setting she would have very limited access to a Teacher of the deaf, but if she did choose the oral route she could still have professionals who specialize in working with deaf kids.

Did you take the oral route?

Deafguy25 · 09-27-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafCaroline

Did you take the oral route?

My parents are Deaf, so my home language was ASL, but I was mainstreamed starting in Kindergarten.

DeafCaroline · 09-27-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

My parents are Deaf, so my home language was ASL, but I was mainstreamed starting in Kindergarten.

Really? Have to admit to being surprised at learning that. How come you didn't go to a deaf school?

You're unusual in the sense that you are an implanted deaf son of deaf parents who was mainstreamed. I'm very interested in hearing your story.

**shel90** · 09-27-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nancyj

Well agian thank you everyone. I am taking it all in and trying to sort through it, as it can get a little overwhelming at times. I think my mind is made up and we will not be mainstreaming and it was all decided at a local restaraunt the other night.

Rhyanne( that's the baby) and I were waiting on our order to go. A family walked in with a little girl no more then 5 or 6. The first thing she asked is what was on my babies ears. I told her they were hearing aides to help her ears work like hers. And the next thing she said was " Well I don't want to be her friend then" her mom said everyone needs friends and then took her to wait outside.

My thought is those are the kids she would be mainstreamed with I dont want that to be her everyday school life.

I feel she is going to be subject to everyones ignorance already why make it during the majority of her school days. We have found hearing adults to be the cruelist like asking "can she be fixed?" "oh poor baby" "she seems happy in spite of what she is going through"....well she isn't broken, she isn't a poor baby could be way worse, and happy in spite...inspite of what? she isn't in any pain or anything..

Sorry just needed to vent. I am sorry most of you go through this all the time, how do you get used to it?

It almost destroyed me but since finding ASL and the Deaf community at 25 years old plus with maturity, I have learned to ignore it.

For children, it can take a toll on them if they view themselves as "broken" hearing people. Some children seem to handle it but become nasty adults to others. There are some who do overcome the comments and stuff but it would take a very very strong personality of the child.

deafdyke · 09-27-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by nancyj

Well agian thank you everyone. I am taking it all in and trying to sort through it, as it can get a little overwhelming at times. I think my mind is made up and we will not be mainstreaming and it was all decided at a local restaraunt the other night.

Rhyanne( that's the baby) and I were waiting on our order to go. A family walked in with a little girl no more then 5 or 6. The first thing she asked is what was on my babies ears. I told her they were hearing aides to help her ears work like hers. And the next thing she said was " Well I don't want to be her friend then" her mom said everyone needs friends and then took her to wait outside.

My thought is those are the kids she would be mainstreamed with I dont want that to be her everyday school life.

I feel she is going to be subject to everyones ignorance already why make it during the majority of her school days. We have found hearing adults to be the cruelist like asking "can she be fixed?" "oh poor baby" "she seems happy in spite of what she is going through"....well she isn't broken, she isn't a poor baby could be way worse, and happy in spite...inspite of what? she isn't in any pain or anything..

Sorry just needed to vent. I am sorry most of you go through this all the time, how do you get used to it?

YAY!!!! Someone ACTUALLY gets it!!!!! She will have access to the hearing world.....never fear. Most of us who are hoh do....You know, one thing you can ask your husband...." If the baby had a chance to grow up bilingal in say...French and English, wouldn't you take it?" I really do think that if audis and professionals put it that way, oral only would be as obscure as Cued Speech.
I love that you actually get it.....so many hearing parents do not understand the negative social side of mainstreaming. There are a lot of really cruel kids out there....and unfortunatly we're not all lucky enough to live in diverse towns.

deafdyke · 09-27-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Deafguy25

I was simply pointing out that in the mainstream setting she would have very limited access to a Teacher of the deaf, but if she did choose the oral route she could still have professionals who specialize in working with deaf kids.

Yes that's a really good point. At least oral schools....and REAL schools, not just early intervention "schools" do have the advantage that they have experiance with dhh kids. Granted it's not as good as a Sign using program, but at least oral programs are far far better then solotairing it.

CrazyPaul · 09-28-2011, 10:28 AM

I'd like to know how much we, taxpayers spend on interpreter services at mainstream schools. I can imagine it's very expensive.

CrazyPaul · 09-28-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Buffalo

By the way, did you ever met your brother? Is he out now?

I met him once at our sister's wedding when I was 16. He looked normal to me but he signed slow since he was not well-educated. A staff from the mental hospital just took him out after 2 hours. I never saw him again and I don't know where he is now.

CSign · 09-28-2011, 11:01 AM

I think a lot of the parents on this forum "get it."

deafdyke · 09-28-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CSign

I think a lot of the parents on this forum "get it."

Oh that's true, but it's especially nice to see a parent of an audilogically hoh kid get it, b/c those kids tend to be encouraged to be basicly auditory verbaled. Meaning regular school, regular classes with accomondations with maybe some speech therapy and maybe a teacher of the Deaf. HOH kids can benifit strongly from ASL and Deaf ed too!

CSign · 09-28-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

HOH kids can benifit strongly from ASL and Deaf ed too!

I agree.

posts from hell · 09-29-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

I'd like to know how much we, taxpayers spend on interpreter services at mainstream schools. I can imagine it's very expensive.

I've calculated it to be north of $20m a year for just the Denver Metropolitan area.

That's enough for three more deaf schools here.

AlleyCat · 09-29-2011, 03:55 PM

Interesting perspective.

Seems to me that it would make sense to open more deaf schools then !!!!!

Frisky Feline · 09-29-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

Interesting perspective.

Seems to me that it would make sense to open more deaf schools then !!!!!

with understanding better with Deaf/Hoh's needs then it will be OK. Like Deaf teachers or Hearing teachers who KNOWs ASL. Then all is good.

AlleyCat · 09-29-2011, 05:34 PM

Good point.

deafdyke · 09-29-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

I've calculated it to be north of $20m a year for just the Denver Metropolitan area.

That's enough for three more deaf schools here.

And that includes stuff like oral 'terps and cprint and stuff like that too right?

**GrendelQ** · 09-29-2011, 09:57 PM

There are many, many good arguments for sending kids to some of the schools for the deaf out there we've talked about, but cost savings is not one. And it's not an argument you want to pose: sending a child to a school for the deaf costs your school district anywhere from 4 to 8 times what accommodations in a mainstream or inclusion environment can cost.

Argue for it, yes, but I think it's stronger to do so on the basis of providing equal access to education, teaching tailored to deaf learners.

CrazyPaul · 09-30-2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by GrendelQ

There are many, many good arguments for sending kids to some of the schools for the deaf out there we've talked about, but cost savings is not one. And it's not an argument you want to pose: sending a child to a school for the deaf costs your school district anywhere from 4 to 8 times what accommodations in a mainstream or inclusion environment can cost.

Argue for it, yes, but I think it's stronger to do so on the basis of providing equal access to education, teaching tailored to deaf learners.

Well, don't you realize how many deaf students go to deaf schools? It's cheaper than paying an interpreter at a mainstream school for one deaf student (6 hours/day X 5 days/week) everywhere. The taxpayers also pay for his/her teachers who earn about $25-30 per hour. The teachers of the Deaf earn the same but no interpreters are needed at deaf schools.

I understand your point about equal access to deaf students who want to go to mainstream schools but I, as a taxpayer rather want my tax money going to deaf schools, not those interpreters at the mainstream schools. IMO, it's a waste of money.

**GrendelQ** · 09-30-2011, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Well, don't you realize how many deaf students go to deaf schools? It's cheaper than paying an interpreter at a mainstream school for one deaf student (6 hours/day X 5 days/week) everywhere. The taxpayers also pay for his/her teachers who earn about $25-30 per hour. The teachers of the Deaf earn the same but no interpreters are needed at deaf schools.

I understand your point about equal access to deaf students who want to go to mainstream schools but I, as a taxpayer rather want my tax money going to deaf schools, not those interpreters at the mainstream schools. IMO, it's a waste of money.

No, my daughter attends a deaf school, and our local district (and yes, our neighbors via taxes) pays more than $90k annually for her placement. So, I really don't want to see cost savings coming up as an argument for bringing her back not the mainstream environment. At her bi- bi school, the teacher:student ratio is 2:5 rather than 1:28, so there are many more teachers being paid for at higher rates. In MA, special Ed teachers, which tods are considered, must be "highly qualified" specialists. Our bi-bi school employs MANY interpreters, btw.

That's why I say don't use cost savings--you'll lose that argument fast. There are many other reasons for attending a deaf school(just look at that ratio, for example!)

posts from hell · 09-30-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

And that includes stuff like oral 'terps and cprint and stuff like that too right?

Oh no. I need to foia that. Hmm Thanks for giving me that insight.

posts from hell · 09-30-2011, 12:56 PM

There are schools that are $23k/yr/student. I'll use that argument. Interpreter alone will exceed that cost.

Christe · 09-30-2011, 01:38 PM

One problem with hearing schools is that kid, especially girls now that i think about it, attack everyone who isnt the same as they were. I was a late talker, even now i have a lisp, so i got picked on alot.

Is that your daugher. She's absolutely Precious. (#'Y'#)

DeafCaroline · 09-30-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Christe

One problem with hearing schools is that kid, especially girls now that i think about it, attack everyone who isnt the same as they were. I was a late talker, even now i have a lisp, so i got picked on alot.

Is that your daugher. She's absolutely Precious. (#'Y'#)

You're right about girls being more discriminating against those who do not speak as well. The theory is that girls, who are more adept and value communication more then guys tend to be more prejudiced.

CrazyPaul · 09-30-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Christe

One problem with hearing schools is that kid, especially girls now that i think about it, attack everyone who isnt the same as they were. I was a late talker, even now i have a lisp, so i got picked on alot.

You were bullied at school because you are deaf, that's ****ed up.

Christe · 09-30-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

You were bullied at school because you are deaf, that's ****ed up.

not deaf "speaking impaired" as the speach teacher says

CSign · 09-30-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Christe

not deaf "speaking impaired" as the speach teacher says

That teacher deserved a bitch slap.

CrazyPaul · 09-30-2011, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Christe

not deaf "speaking impaired" as the speach teacher says

Oh, since this website is called ALLDEAF.com so I thought all members are deaf. Sorry, my bad. I am still new here. It's hard to tell who is deaf and who isn't.

I am sorry to hear that it happened to you. Did they pick on deaf students, too?

Christe · 09-30-2011, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CSign

That teacher deserved a bitch slap.

I don't know about that. it was her job to make us realize that there was a problem with our development and help us fix that. i can now speak without tripping over words as much as i did.

Christe · 09-30-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPaul

Oh, since this website is called ALLDEAF.com so I thought all members are deaf. Sorry, my bad. I am still new here. It's hard to tell who is deaf and who isn't.

I am sorry to hear that it happened to you. Did they pick on deaf students, too?

Its fine.

I dont know.There's a deaf school in our area so there probably weren't many.

Frisky Feline · 09-30-2011, 02:12 PM

hearing kids will continue to pick on deaf/Deaf/Hoh even though if they can speak well but affect their self esteems big time. I can't stand the idea of seeing them to get older and become adults and have self esteem issues to the day. That is unfair for them. Hearing people don't realize how important social skill is part of important to those kids' self esteem. jeez. That's how hearing people see this social skill as a gambling kids' life. =/

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CSign Registered User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Best Coast, USA Posts: 3,194	I think a lot of the parents on this forum "get it." Oceanbreeze likes this.

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Christe Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: N.Y Posts: 229	One problem with hearing schools is that kid, especially girls now that i think about it, attack everyone who isnt the same as they were. I was a late talker, even now i have a lisp, so i got picked on alot. Is that your daugher. She's absolutely Precious. (#'Y'#) __________________ “I have heard there are troubles of more than one kind. Some come from ahead and some come from behind. But I've bought a big bat. I'm all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!” ― Dr. Seuss

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Frisky Feline Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 20,239	hearing kids will continue to pick on deaf/Deaf/Hoh even though if they can speak well but affect their self esteems big time. I can't stand the idea of seeing them to get older and become adults and have self esteem issues to the day. That is unfair for them. Hearing people don't realize how important social skill is part of important to those kids' self esteem. jeez. That's how hearing people see this social skill as a gambling kids' life. =/ Buffalo likes this.

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CrazyPaul Registered User Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 2,980	I'd like to know how much we, taxpayers spend on interpreter services at mainstream schools. I can imagine it's very expensive.

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AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,819	Interesting perspective. Seems to me that it would make sense to open more deaf schools then !!!!!

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AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,819	Good point.

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posts from hell Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,434	There are schools that are $23k/yr/student. I'll use that argument. Interpreter alone will exceed that cost.