whatdidyousay!

Wrong some yogurt do not have live active cultures,like L. acidophilus,. I buy Stonyfield Farm yogurt. I don't think Yoplait has active cultures in it.

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Grayma

We now drink raw milk. Some friends of ours were visiting and they said that pasteurized milk gave their kids allergic reactions, but raw milk didn't.

Doesn't work for everybody, of course, and a good source of raw milk can be hard to find. We get ours from a young family with two or three cows they keep on pasture and hay. It's so good.

Jiro

interesting. I didn't know we can drink raw milk. I thought it would be full of bacteria, etc.

why not? tastes too different?

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With reasonable care, raw milk is less likely to harbor harmful bacteria than your deli meats, and it's far more healthy than pasteurized milk.
Some info here.

Raw milk has living enzymes and vitamins and other good for you stuff (including, like yogurt, good cultures for digestion). Cooking it kills the good stuff.

Raw milk usually comes from more sustainable, responsible, humane farms as well, so the cows are healthier.

Store-bought milk is also homogenized, which is seriously bad news for your arteries.


It does taste different, but everybody I know prefers the taste of raw milk. Once you've had it, the other stuff tastes overcooked, flat, and a little stale.

But people are allergic to milk for different reasons, so some people with dairy allergies still can't handle any milk, raw or otherwise. But quite a few people find their dairy allergy goes away when they drink raw milk, especially milk fed on pasture instead of milk fed on corn (which is most of the milk in the store).

It's not legal in every state. I don't know if it's legal in Canada at all. In my state it's only legal if you own the cow or you buy it for pet consumption, so our jars of milk have a big label that says 'not for human consumption.'

It's not easy to find, either. We live in a rural area, so it was easier for us.

The story behind milk regulations is a long and interesting one. This last year the government spent untold thousands of dollars running a couple of 'sting' operations, complete with armed raids and undercover operations against a couple of amish farmers who didn't do anything but sell raw milk to customers who wanted it. Nobody had gotten sick from their milk. The FDA just didn't want those dangerous Amish guys selling raw milk.

So in addition to the awesome flavor and wonderful health benefits, we get to be subversives, too.

JanatheShort

Raw milk does have a different taste... it tastes more natural, but also has a bit of a grainy aftertaste in my opinion.

I bought mine from an Amish farm... hehe had no idea I was being subversive!!! Now I want to do it more often...

Banjo

To answer your question, it is strictly prohibited. Don't even try to convince the government to repel the ban. Otherwise, they'll find a way to send you up north only to be never heard from again.

dogmom

Some states in the U.S. do allow the sale of raw milk as long as it's labeled as such .
My state's not one. I know a few people who do cowshares,, though-

Caroline, I like all those veggies and beans you mention.
I do also like sardines but don't often eat them.
The almond and soy milk subs I use in place of dairy are available in a wide variety but I almost always get the "enriched" ones with the calcium, etc.

I don't remember where I initially read this but I did read a study that alleged that many of the common commercial yogurt brands didn't have the live cultures the label said they did. Some brands are heat-treated and this kills the cultures. Here's more info. on that: Live and Active Culture (LAC) Yogurt Facts

DeafCaroline

It's a safe bet that most commercial brand yoghurts don't have live culture.

I just learned that Whole Foods is forced to accept produce from Monsanto...meaning they have to buy M's genetically modified vegetables and fruits. Just a heads up for anyone who shops at Whole Foods.

KristinaB

I sop there for specific items and haven't bought any produce or things like that. Also, at my Whole Foods, they do have large signs saying where the product is from. I get my special mils, yogurts, cheese, ice cream, nuts and frozen foods from them.

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DeafCaroline

Ok, don't know if you knew this already but Monsanto won the right not to label their produce as GMO which means when you buy produce in the store, you would have no idea if its GMO or not. Most of the produce at Walmart is GMO, most dry goods (packaged foods) have GMO ingredients. Just a heads up.

VacationGuy234

You need to read the labels, there is a difference between flavored and non-flavored. Checkout the non-fat Greek ingredients.

Instead of flavored anything, I buy watermelon or pinapple and cut it up. Don't be fooled, instant food is instant for a reason.

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dogmom

I assume that most big commercial crops like corn, wheat, soy as well as most major commercial food products are GM or have GMO's in them. Only way to avoid GMO's is with the NOP, though if you buy "big organic" the odds are higher that company or subsidiary has found some way to cut corners and get something through any loopholes in the Organic Program.

I don't shop at Whole Foods due to where they are in relation to me and I want to support my local co-op

dogmom

<nodding> true that, VacationGuy

VacationGuy234

tonight's snack will be tomato and olive salad with whole wheat bread for dipping:

Three tomatoes, diced
One half can black olives, pitted
Garlic powder
Basil
Salt
Pepper

You get the idea...

Enjoy.

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honey.toronto

A lot of those brands (Yoplait, Danone) use cornstarch as a thickener, and/or gelatine.
Chobani is super delicious Greek yogurt, one of the nicest I've tried. Not sure if you can get it in the US, but Astro is my favourite brand, and they use sugar rather than HFCS in their flavours.

dogmom

VacationGuy, that salad looks really good

Grayma

I'm curious to know more about this. Do you have a source?

dogmom

grayma, til Caroline can answer, just some thoughts for you in regard to the yogurt ...
here's a link I'd posted earlier: Live and Active Culture (LAC) Yogurt Facts

...and Monsanto The Organic Elite Surrenders to Monsanto: What Now?

DeafCaroline

dogmom, you did a good job answering grayma for me

dogmom

DC
I bet you have more you could add...if you like....

DeafCaroline

Yeah, I would recommend people watch the documentary "Food, Inc."

Grayma

Thanks for the links, Dogmom. I forgot to bookmark the thread and I have trouble keeping track of things here.

I've seen Food, Inc. Has anybody seen The Oiling of America? I would like to watch it, but my library doesn't carry it.

Grayma

That was a frustrating read. We buy a lot of our groceries from a food co-op, and the distributor is UNFI.

When buying from a big producer, I prefer the label 'organic.' But when I buy local, I prefer 'natural,' because I have issues with some of the organic certification processes.

There's an organic dairy south of us, and they can't even wash the cow's udders with vinegar if they want to maintain organic certification. That's nuts.

kokonut

Pizza tonight! Yeahhhh!

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Pizza isn't healthy snack.

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dogmom

commercial pizza isn't - but if you made yourself, it could be a healthy snack, depending on what you put on it.

no prob., Grayma
Big Organic worries me after the various takeovers and subsidiary issues. I also like to look at the third-party certifier - something like "Texas Dpt. of Agriculture" steers me away from that organic product while "Oregon Tilth" gives me a better impression.
I actually trust local or small certified organic more.

I've seen Food Inc, too. I think that was a fairly popular documentary even among the "non-organic" folks.

kokonut

Exactly. And my pizza last night was yummy.

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dogmom

how did your do your pizza?

VacationGuy234

You can add a small amount of Extra Virgin Olive Oil (no substitute), but unless you exercise regularly I'd just use the tomatoes. Feel free to have one glass of white or red wine with it.

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VacationGuy234

Depends, try this:

Arnolds Whole Wheat Hamburger Rolls.
Brush lightly with Extra Virgin Oil
Cover with Kitchen Ready Ground tomatoes
Cover with Romano Cheese(I use regular but you can use low fat)
Add ground Oregano
Add Garlic
Add Basil
Add Salt
Add Pepper
Cover with Non-Fat Mozzarella Cheese.
Bake at 450 degree until cheese melts and oil boils a little or brown.

Very healthy Italian pizza without too much oil.

Eat with one beer..

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