Why adults choose CI's for their children - Page 37

Byrdie714 · 10-03-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Ah.. an unbeliever..

No, really, she hears! Have a look here...

So sad......

Especially the picture of the CI's on the door.....

Oceanbreeze · 10-03-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

No, is there a need for that? In her life up to now she hasn't bumped into a deaf person.
BTW, she cannot speak with a Japanese person, French, Spanish, German... either...

Is your daughter, Japanese, French, Spanish, or German? No, she isn't. She's deaf. She can converse with a hearing person, but can she converse with someone who signs?

jillio · 10-03-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Is your daughter, Japanese, French, Spanish, or German? No, she isn't. She's deaf. She can converse with a hearing person, but can she converse with someone who signs?

Excellent point!

jillio · 10-03-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

You said "those [bi-lingual] children are not "impaired" in any way, and in fact, are at a higher level cognitively than those who are not bilingual."
So... for a person being bi-lingual is better than uni-lingual....

That's pretty sad for Deaf people speaking only signlanguage, or hearing people speaking only English...

I don't know any deaf people that have only sign language at their disposal. All I know have English at their disposal as well. Therefore, they are bilingual. Simply not using voice in no way implies that they do not use the English language.

The only monolingual deaf people I know are oralists.

Oceanbreeze · 10-03-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Why is that sad?
This girl can hear all the sounds around her. How much does she have in common with the deaf person that cannot hear at all...
Even when Lotte's CI is off, she still hears.! When she reads lips, it is still converted to sounds in her head.! (How cool is that!)

Rude example...
Out of the 2000 interesting persons she meets, 2 are deaf, and 1 of them only uses sign. She won't be able to communicate with that one, but she will be able to communicate with the other 1999.!

No, she doesn't. She relies on her auditory memory. That is NOT the same as hearing. It sounds like she can get along well with and without her CIs, but I still believe you're depriving her of her natural language, which is, sign language.

Oh, well. It's her loss, Cloggy, and that is sad.

**shel90** · 10-03-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

No, she doesn't. She relies on her auditory memory. That is NOT the same as hearing. It sounds like she can get along well with and without her CIs, but I still believe you're depriving her of her natural language, which is, sign language.

Oh, well. It's her loss, Cloggy, and that is sad.

That just made me think for a minute. I just turned my hearing aids off and u know what? I can still "hear". Interesting...never thought about that till I saw this post.

**shel90** · 10-03-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I don't know any deaf people that have only sign language at their disposal. All I know have English at their disposal as well. Therefore, they are bilingual. Simply not using voice in no way implies that they do not use the English language.

The only monolingual deaf people I know are oralists.

Yeppers and it has proved by many ADers on AD over and over again. *shrug*

**Cheri** · 10-03-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Ah.. an unbeliever..

No, really, she hears! Have a look here...

How cute!!

Cloggy · 10-03-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Is your daughter, Japanese, French, Spanish, or German? No, she isn't. She's deaf. She can converse with a hearing person, but can she converse with someone who signs?

Correction, she's Dutch, living in Norway...
What has deaf got to do with it....?

(And I already answered (and mentioned frequently) that she does not know sign..)

Oceanbreeze · 10-03-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

I don't know any deaf people that have only sign language at their disposal. All I know have English at their disposal as well. Therefore, they are bilingual. Simply not using voice in no way implies that they do not use the English language.

The only monolingual deaf people I know are oralists.

I know someone who doesn't have oral skills and relies on sign. It makes things interesting for us (I know very little sign), but we work together and meet each other half way as best we can.

Cloggy · 10-03-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

So sad......

Especially the picture of the CI's on the door.....

Sad... sad indeed... No hope!

..." The Future's So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades "

Byrdie714 · 10-03-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cloggy

Sad... sad indeed... No hope!

"Cochlear Implants--The 'Auschwitz' of the Deaf."

**shel90** · 10-03-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I know someone who doesn't have oral skills and relies on sign. It makes things interesting for us (I know very little sign), but we work together and meet each other half way as best we can.

Yes, I agree..we just have to meet our needs to the best we can instead of one expecting to meet the other person's needs. My deaf brother has no oral skills but he still manages to work with non-signers to make communication effective and due to his personality, the non-signers do find themselves trying to meet his communication needs. He does it better than I do and I am the one with the oral skills!

Cloggy · 10-03-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

"Cochlear Implants--The 'Auschwitz' of the Deaf."

Oceanbreeze · 10-03-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

"Cochlear Implants--The 'Auschwitz' of the Deaf."

Oh geez. Extremism at it's best.

samanthasmom · 10-03-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Very, very sad, and I think we all know why it is sad. Well,let me correct that. The majority of us know why it is sad. Doesn't even require an explanation.

Yep, agreed.

jillio · 10-03-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

That just made me think for a minute. I just turned my hearing aids off and u know what? I can still "hear". Interesting...never thought about that till I saw this post.

Yep. Auditory memory. Well known concept in cognitive psychology. It also comes into play regarding word discrimination as applied to speech reading.

Byrdie714 · 10-03-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Oh geez. Extremism at it's best.

Did you see the pictures of it on her cabinet?

Extremism on part the hearing culture in subjecting deaf to wear/use it. Instead of celebrating their deaf child, they want to "fix it".

I thought it was a perfect title--" Cochlear Implants--Auschwitz of the Deaf." If I get banned for that comment--it definately will be worth it.

A Banned Badge of Honor.

**shel90** · 10-03-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Yep. Auditory memory. Well known concept in cognitive psychology. It also comes into play regarding word discrimination as applied to speech reading.

I never knew that! Interesting. So someone with a dB loss of a 110 to 120 is capable of it? Interesting.

samanthasmom · 10-03-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Oh geez. Extremism at it's best.

I agree that it sounds like extremism...But when put into context with where this thread has gone, I can also understand it. Implant your kid, make them oral, and do away with deafness!!

**shel90** · 10-03-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Did you see the pictures of it on her cabinet?

Extremism on part the hearing culture in subjecting deaf to wear/use it. Instead of celebrating their deaf child, they want to "fix it".

I thought it was a perfect title--" Cochlear Implants--Auschwitz of the Deaf." If I get banned for that comment--it definately will be worth it.

A Banned Badge of Honor.

Oceanbreeze · 10-03-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Yes, I agree..we just have to meet our needs to the best we can instead of one expecting to meet the other person's needs. My deaf brother has no oral skills but he still manages to work with non-signers to make communication effective and due to his personality, the non-signers do find themselves trying to meet his communication needs. He does it better than I do and I am the one with the oral skills!

The point is, it takes TWO. I won't buy into this idea that a deafie and a hearie can't be friends. I won't buy into the idea that a signer and non-signer has to be apart. All it takes is an effort made. Once its seen that an effort is made, it makes the other person want to also put effort into make the friendship/relationship work. It's sometimes difficult, but it CAN work!

jillio · 10-03-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I never knew that! Interesting. So someone with a dB loss of a 110 to 120 is capable of it? Interesting.

Oh, absolutely. What ever you perceive when you are aided will be retained in your auditory memory. So that when you aren't aided, the information is still available to help you discriminate. It doesn't mean that you are "hearing" it without your HA. It just means that you are remembering hearing it before, and connecting the two experiences.

samanthasmom · 10-03-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I never knew that! Interesting. So someone with a dB loss of a 110 to 120 is capable of it? Interesting.

come meet my Samantha...

**shel90** · 10-03-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by samanthasmom

come meet my Samantha...

I would love to. Maybe someday when I visit your area.

**Daredevel7** · 10-03-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

"Cochlear Implants--The 'Auschwitz' of the Deaf."

I'm sorry but.... LMAO.

This cracks me up.

Atrocious things crack me up.

samanthasmom · 10-03-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

I would love to. Maybe someday when I visit your area.

OH, how i wish!! Great time had by all...

Oceanbreeze · 10-03-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

Did you see the pictures of it on her cabinet?

Extremism on part the hearing culture in subjecting deaf to wear/use it. Instead of celebrating their deaf child, they want to "fix it".

I thought it was a perfect title--" Cochlear Implants--Auschwitz of the Deaf." If I get banned for that comment--it definately will be worth it.

A Banned Badge of Honor.

Both of you are wrong. Extremism isn't going to solve anything.

**shel90** · 10-03-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

The point is, it takes TWO. I won't buy into this idea that a deafie and a hearie can't be friends. I won't buy into the idea that a signer and non-signer has to be apart. All it takes is an effort made. Once its seen that an effort is made, it makes the other person want to also put effort into make the friendship/relationship work. It's sometimes difficult, but it CAN work!

Right...my hearing hubby and I are such a PERFECT example of that. He didnt know sign when we first met 6 years ago. 6 years later, he can sign pretty well but it is SEE. However, his receptive skills in ASL are poor (I cant sign SEE..dont know how! ) so I use spoken English to meet his needs. We are a weird couple but we are proof that when two meet halfway, it can be successful.

Oceanbreeze · 10-03-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shel90

That just made me think for a minute. I just turned my hearing aids off and u know what? I can still "hear". Interesting...never thought about that till I saw this post.

Right, Shel. When the CI(s) are off, the child relies on auditory memory.

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