Change of moderation guidelines, recent member events

[naisho]

This thread is made to serve all members, guests, to read and/or discuss and understand the recent happenings on the AllDeaf.com forum.
We will welcome feedback regarding the issues we are posting about in this topic. Off topic posts, suggestions, comments may be disregarded.

If this thread is found out of control, it will be locked and posts will be removed.

[naisho]

Here are combined responses from moderators how they will deal with action on AllDeaf:

Multiple accounts: Not allowed, end of story. Won't change anytime soon. If you want to change your name, PM Alex.

Trolling: The old definition of trolling meant of any kind of unwanted replies. Today, the term 'trolling' has different levels of variation on internet and requires judgement calls compared to years ago. Any moderator will hold the right to make a decision based on their perspective after responding to a trolling report. There are many actions that can be considered trolling, but not all of them face the same consequences.
If a member feels that a serious trolling case has not been reviewed, it is urged for them to contact us directly thru PM.

Member & Group callouts: If you want to argue with a member being racist, audist, pedophile, criminal, etc, this section applies for moderator actions. Present creditable posts to the moderators or Alex explaining the evidence for the claim, which will then be reviewed. With the Post Reporting feature, staff may disregard cases after determining them unfounded. It's important to provide details so we can investigate thoroughly and make a decision. Members that display obvious traces of criminal behavior, racism, hostility, may be immediately banned without warning.

Family shared accounts: The staff understand that some members share home internet. Family accounts are tricky and we will give a degree of leniency for separate family members. However, if one family member is causing problems, there is no way to fully verify the person behind the keyboard. Moderators will investigate troubling cases and make a decision based on the results of an inspection. Anytime if a family member feels they have been incorrectly penalized, please contact us by PM, or have a friend contact us, and Alex directly in PM. If none of these options are available, you can email webmaster@alldeaf.com instead.

Proxy & Mobile IP: If there is a suspected user on a proxy IP, the staff will take action against them without question. There is no reason to be browsing AD on a proxy unless you have a problem browsing the forums during work, school, or other locations. If your network administrator blocked AllDeaf.com you probably shouldn't be reading it. Browsing on proxy IP's also tie your account with other banned users, as they are shared IP's.
Mobile IP's will be treated as individual, but if a duplicate is found related to another account, you may be placed under suspicion unless cleared.

Returning Banned ex-Members: If ex-ADer's who quit or were permanently/temporarily banned from the site, and wish to appeal their ban status, please either:

A) Have a friend Private Message a moderator or Alex with a reason
B) Email Alex directly with your reason: webmaster@alldeaf.com

And their ban status may be reviewed. No immediate decision may be made unless it was found the member was incorrectly banned.



Some decisions may consult multiple moderator opinions. Not all moderators are on at all times. We try to work when available.

[naisho]

Waterboy and PJ's Mom were recently removed from AD for violating rules.
Upon reviewing the information gathered on both accounts, it was determined by staff they were no longer welcome on AD.

If Waterboy/PJ's Mom wishes to contest their ban status, they need to contact Alex directly.

[AlleyCat]

Thank you for your posts and sharing this information. I very much like the concept of contacting mods rather than screaming across the forum that someone is using duplicate accounts or is a "hiding" banned member, etc. I trust you mods are totally capable of doing your jobs!

[kokonut]

Thank you for the clarifications you gathered up from other mods, Naisho. At least there's clarity there on what we can expect.

One question, tho, what about when a member accuses another member indirectly on being a racist, a*dist, etc..., especially when done repeatedly?

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by kokonut

Thank you for the clarifications you gathered up from other mods, Naisho. At least there's clarity there on what we can expect.

One question, tho, what about when a member accuses another member indirectly on being a racist, a*dist, etc..., especially when done repeatedly?

simple -

Trolling: The old definition of trolling meant of any kind of unwanted replies. Today, the term 'trolling' has different levels of variation on internet and requires judgement calls compared to years ago. Any moderator will hold the right to make a decision based on their perspective after responding to a trolling report. There are many actions that can be considered trolling, but not all of them face the same consequences.
If a member feels that a serious trolling case has not been reviewed, it is urged for them to contact us directly thru PM.

Member & Group callouts: If you want to argue with a member being racist, audist, pedophile, criminal, etc, this section applies for moderator actions. Present creditable posts to the moderators or Alex explaining the evidence for the claim, which will then be reviewed. With the Post Reporting feature, staff may disregard cases after determining them unfounded. It's important to provide details so we can investigate thoroughly and make a decision. Members that display obvious traces of criminal behavior, racism, hostility, may be immediately banned without warning.

[C.C.Sinned]

*this post is not to stir up crap, drop a bombshell or start a flame war. I just want to post an opinion on this matter for the sake of member safety.*

can you guys speed up your investigations?
I know you guys were working on the ephebophile case and all that. It took 11 days to get that piece of crap off of alldeaf. A LOT can happen in 11 days. Many members were appalled that it took so long to ban that member.

How about you guys just ban outright and let the offender plea their case via email outside of alldeaf?
you know so the offender is not contacting a youth to date...

and yes I did read that last sentance:

Members that display obvious traces of criminal behavior, racism, hostility, may be immediately banned without warning.

Do it please!

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

*this post is not to stir up crap, drop a bombshell or start a flame war. I just want to post an opinion on this matter for the sake of member safety.*

can you guys speed up your investigations?
I know you guys were working on the ephebophile case and all that. It took 11 days to get that piece of crap off of alldeaf. A LOT can happen in 11 days. Many members were appalled that it took so long to ban that member.

How about you guys just ban outright and let the offender plea their case via email outside of alldeaf?
you know so the offender is not contacting a youth to date...

and yes I did read that last sentanceo it please!

we should set up AD Neighborhood Watch

[C.C.Sinned]

Originally Posted by Jiro

we should set up AD Neighborhood Watch

you'd go all Zimmerman on 'em!

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

you'd go all Zimmerman on 'em!

[C.C.Sinned]

that's the spirt!

[Tousi]

C.C, what the heck's "ephebophile"?

[CSign]

Originally Posted by Tousi

C.C, what the heck's "ephebophile"?

I hadn't heard that term either. Not that Wikipedia is a great source, but we get the idea, LOL

Ephebophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Reba]

Originally Posted by Tousi

C.C, what the heck's "ephebophile"?

Think of Lolita.

[C.C.Sinned]

Originally Posted by Tousi

C.C, what the heck's "ephebophile"?

in a nutshell: men that prefer the "Lolita" type, ages from 12 (begining puberty) till still under legal age. better definitions on this old thread.

[Tousi]

Originally Posted by Reba

Think of Lolita.

Ah, Lolita; I vaguely remember reading this when I was 18-20 yrs old....some Russian wrote it...Nabokov, I think. So a nympet seeker passed thru these portals lately????

[C.C.Sinned]

Originally Posted by Tousi

Ah, Lolita; I vaguely remember reading this when I was 18-20 yrs old....some Russian wrote it...Nabokov, I think. So a nympet seeker passed thru these portals lately????

that is the book. guy in his 40s falling in love with a 12 year old. it became a move with james mason, peter sellers and sue lyons as Lolita. it was remade in the 90s too. IMO it's trash

[Tousi]

Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

that is the book. guy in his 40s falling in love with a 12 year old. it became a move with james mason, peter sellers and sue lyons as Lolita. it was remade in the 90s too. IMO it's trash

I see....don't recall that but thanks.

What name did this guy use for 11 days?

[C.C.Sinned]

PM

now let's not give the slimeball anymore attention. let us get back on topic.

[Tousi]

Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

PM

now let's not give the slimeball anymore attention. let us get back on topic.

Righto.....what's the topic? Setting up a Neighborhood Watch?

[Jiro]

Originally Posted by CSign

I hadn't heard that term either.

same here.

Originally Posted by CSign

Not that Wikipedia is a great source, but we get the idea, LOL

Ephebophilia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[kokonut]

Originally Posted by Tousi

Righto.....what's the topic? Setting up a Neighborhood Watch?

Won't work...somebody will eventually get accused of being a racist or something....and then you have a riot on your hands demanding the person in question get jail time...and...and...sayyyy, doesn't that sound familiar?

[C.C.Sinned]

Originally Posted by Tousi

Righto.....what's the topic? Setting up a Neighborhood Watch?

yes. Jiro is the Charles Bronson vigilante thug watch captain :

[naisho]

Originally Posted by C.C.Sinned

can you guys speed up your investigations?
I know you guys were working on the ephebophile case and all that. It took 11 days.

For the most part, most investigations are immediately started when there is a problem noticed. It does not take very long.

The real deal is it takes time to gather input from multiple moderators if it's a situation where one moderator doesn't want to make a mistaken banning, if the member hasn't done anything wrong on the new account. When they are realized to be a second account, the later part is when we ask Alex if he feels x member should be welcomed back.

So that member is watched to see if they've changed their ways; like watching inmates in rehabilitation after they've been released.

If they've been determined by the moderators and Alex that they haven't changed their old ways, they get banned again. I guess you could say most of the wait is to see if they've changed, and if they are worth giving another chance on AD.

[naisho]

Originally Posted by kokonut

One question, tho, what about when a member accuses another member indirectly on being a racist, a*dist, etc..., especially when done repeatedly?

The "Trolling" and "Member & Group Callouts" section should apply. Freedom of speech is generally allowed on AD unless it's determined the post generates negative publicity on both ends, and that is when the staff take action if they notice it. We feel all members should be given an equal opportunity to defend themselves, unless it's being done in destructive or counterproductive methods.

[green427]

Ok, I have to ask this question: In the past, (and occasionally now) it appear(s) to me that certain members of "high status standing" such as 'premium member' standing were getting away with being total jerks. Personal attacks, name calling, etc, seemed to be tolerated with these members more so than the newer members.

Perfect example would be in the "wrestling with angels" thread.

Are these members given more leeway to speak their minds and get away with murder?

[Frisky Feline]

members paid to be a premium member. so what do you expect?

[CSign]

Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

members paid to be a premium member. so what do you expect?

Can you elaborate more?

Are you saying that "Premium Members" should be able to "get away with murder" because they made a donation? To be clear, I wasn't referencing literally "getting away with murder", but what green427 described...

[kokonut]

Originally Posted by naisho

The "Trolling" and "Member & Group Callouts" section should apply. Freedom of speech is generally allowed on AD unless it's determined the post generates negative publicity on both ends, and that is when the staff take action if they notice it. We feel all members should be given an equal opportunity to defend themselves, unless it's being done in destructive or counterproductive methods.

Thanks for making it clear on that part.

[Steinhauer]

Originally Posted by naisho

Waterboy and PJ's Mom were recently removed from AD for violating rules.
Upon reviewing the information gathered on both accounts, it was determined by staff they were no longer welcome on AD.

If Waterboy/PJ's Mom wishes to contest their ban status, they need to contact Alex directly.

Has it been determined that these were formerly banned members?