The Last Stand for the Deaf in California - Page 2

**TXgolfer** · 08-25-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

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"The per-pupil cost for residential students at NCSD went from $57,148 in 2001 to $91,094 in 2009. For students who attend NCSD's classes, but don't live at the school, the per-pupil cost is $66,000.

Schools in North Carolina spend, on average, $8,522 per pupil per year. No district has a higher per-pupil cost than the $16,273."

That is a difference of close to $80,000 PER YEAR.

Dollars spent per pupil at my local school is $7077

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Tousi · 08-25-2010, 11:44 PM

Trying to understand the point here....so it is 7K for normal hearing students and 80K for deaf students. Now what?

**Foxrac** · 08-25-2010, 11:48 PM

Not forget about hearing school, interpreter and special education in combined are not cheap as well. Full-time interpreter that where I was in 12th grade cost $58,000 per year, along with cost of support from special education and regular classes in combined.

Not everyone is successful in oral language like I'm one of them and I had been in speech therapy for 10 years but won't work and put me into ASL training at public school to become full ASL. My parent told me that they paid alot of out of pocket, copay and cost of speech therapy + have programmable for CI at audiologist office in past before I stopped attend at speech therapy in last 10 years ago and gave up to wear CI in 1 year later.

faire_jour · 08-25-2010, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Trying to understand the point here....so it is 7K for normal hearing students and 80K for deaf students. Now what?

I'm trying to point out that it is not cheaper for a student to learn and use ASL vs getting an implant. (Since the OP was all about money and the cost of CI's)

kokonut · 08-25-2010, 11:51 PM

Suppose you have CI + ASL?

**Foxrac** · 08-25-2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Suppose you have CI + ASL?

Who are you refer to?

faire_jour · 08-25-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

Suppose you have CI + ASL?

Is that even possible?

Tousi · 08-25-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

I'm trying to point out that it is not cheaper for a student to learn and use ASL vs getting an implant. (Since the OP was all about money and the cost of CI's)

I see now and I agree except you maybe want to say "being educated, etc in a deaf program" or something similar instead of "learn and use ASL". Deaf kids, in the environment learn ASL by osmosis,

**Foxrac** · 08-25-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

Is that even possible?

faire_jour · 08-25-2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

I see now and I agree except you maybe want to say "being educated, etc in a deaf program" or something similar instead of "learn and use ASL". Deaf kids, in the environment learn ASL by osmosis,

You are right, a better phrasing would be "attend a deaf program", but if they were ASL users, and in the mainstream, there would be extra cost as well. (Plus, people always talk about the "long term cost of CI's"- batteries, cables, etc. There is also a "long term cost" of ASL interpreters, vrs, etc)

faire_jour · 08-25-2010, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

It's a joke. DUH! My kid has bilateral implants and ASL is her first language. (Man, some people just don't get it

)

**Jiro** · 08-26-2010, 12:00 AM

is your battery dead, foxrac?

I hope not because Amelia Earhart's life depends on it

**Foxrac** · 08-26-2010, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by faire_jour

It's a joke. DUH! My kid has bilateral implants and ASL is her first language. (Man, some people just don't get it

)

Good for you.

You and kokonut don't know about what is my childhood in past.

I was born HoH and hearing aid works so good until I turned into 3 years old and had bad ear infection that caused became profound deaf and hearing aids do barely work until I was around 7 years old. I learned to use SEE (sign language with full English) when I was 3 years old and not learn about ASL until late 90's and early 2000's. There are some CI users are sign in ASL as well, some of them that I know don't success in oral language. For me, I'm former CI user and I'm proud to be deaf.

**TXgolfer** · 08-26-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Trying to understand the point here....so it is 7K for normal hearing students and 80K for deaf students. Now what?

The school I listed is the local school for the deaf. It would appear California has a great deal of waste... I say appear.

**Foxrac** · 08-26-2010, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

is your battery dead, foxrac?

I hope not because Amelia Earhart's life depends on it

No, why are you ask this question?

Tousi · 08-26-2010, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

The school I listed is the local school for the deaf. It would appear California has a great deal of waste... I say appear.

OIC, a local school for the deaf as in a residential school or a regular public school that has a deaf unit in it and pair students with interpreters?

When I retired from the school (residential) for the deaf here in Riverside 4 yrs ago, the per annum cost of educating our students hovered around 45K...per head.

**TXgolfer** · 08-26-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

OIC, a local school for the deaf as in a residential school or a regular public school that has a deaf unit in it and pair students with interpreters?

When I retired from the school (residential) for the deaf here in Riverside 4 yrs ago, the per annum cost of educating our students hovered around 45K...per head.

Not residential. And it is a rather poor school too sadly. There is a thread on AD about it due to it's financial mismanagement.

AndyE9503 · 08-26-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

The school I listed is the local school for the deaf. It would appear California has a great deal of waste... I say appear.

obviously

**Jiro** · 08-26-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

No, why are you ask this question?

first half of post #41.

Tousi · 08-26-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TXgolfer

Not residential. And it is a rather poor school too sadly. There is a thread on AD about it due to it's financial mismanagement.

Too bad about that school....at any rate, to compare it with residential isn't gonna work so....

**Foxrac** · 08-26-2010, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

first half of post #41.

I don't find that's funny about CI users with ASL.

I'm offended by kokonut and faire mocked my post over CI and ASL.

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 12:25 AM

It wasn't even about you, Foxrac. It was about the cost of the two together. CI + ASL.

Or did you not noticed my emoticon back there?

Tousi · 08-26-2010, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyE9503

obviously

While there is waste here just like anywhere else, practically, my specific school wasn't that way....

**Foxrac** · 08-26-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kokonut

It wasn't even about you, Foxrac. It was about the cost of the two together. CI + ASL.

Or did you not noticed my emoticon back there?

Oh okay, I must be misunderstood and you are not quote to my post.

Just ignore my post, anyway.

Tousi · 08-26-2010, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I don't find that's funny about CI users with ASL.

I'm offended by kokonut and faire mocked my post over CI and ASL.

You completely misunderstood. Maybe you and Matzalan should be roomies?

**Foxrac** · 08-26-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

You completely misunderstood. Maybe you and Matzalan should be roomies?

No thanks.

**Jiro** · 08-26-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

I don't find that's funny about CI users with ASL.

I'm offended by kokonut and faire mocked my post over CI and ASL.

report their post and file a grievance letter.

AndyE9503 · 08-26-2010, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

While there is waste here just like anywhere else, practically, my specific school wasn't that way....

Hey I'm from Ohio. I know all about schools wasting money. Just that some states are worse than others

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

You completely misunderstood. Maybe you and Matzalan should be roomies?

Now that's funny.

kokonut · 08-26-2010, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Oh okay, I must be misunderstood and you are not quote to my post.

Just ignore my post, anyway.

Right. It was a reference to the costs.

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08-25-2010, 11:44 PM	#32 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,733	Trying to understand the point here....so it is 7K for normal hearing students and 80K for deaf students. Now what?