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Unread 01-30-2008, 08:27 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't know.

Maybe make a professional video and give evidence that it's a myth and have a couple of hearing parents feature in the video as well one of the expert in this expertise?
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Unread 01-30-2008, 08:33 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I agree..

Now this boils down to this subject..throwing this thread off a bit.

Hearing parents are so eager to have their hearing children learn ASL. They know it doesn't delay speech or grammar. and it actually helps improve the language skills early on.

BUT hearing parents of deaf child. ALOT of them don't want their children to learn ASL because they THINK it will delay a childs speech or grammar.

Why is that?
Because the so called experts tell them it might delay their
speech. People still think that having a degree in something
means that the proffesional knows more than they do.

In doing research for my bf s baby who had a terminal illness,
I found a possible treatment by studying the way mouse models
with this illness coped with it, and tried to find a medical professional
willing to try the treatment. It was a treatment I invented! NO doctor
was willing to try it (even though the little guy was terminal and even
though they already admitted they could do nothing) Every cellular
biologist I called across this nation said the same thing. "There is no
research that indicates the human body could react in the same way
that the mice models do". And I'm asking them why they are pretesting
drugs on mice if they are such bad examples!? Grrrrrrrrrr!

The worst part is that, that was 7 years ago and I just read online
where some one is proposing the same treatment I came up with
be used. To late for my bf s baby.

My point is doctors and other professionals don't always keep up
with their fields, and they seem to think if you don't have a degree
you are incapable of coming up with anything yourself. Look how
many people end of diagnosing their own illnesses, because no
one in the medical world can help them. And many times they
nearly die. The sad part is that we have developed a new kind
of class society where a degree confers upon its bearer some
kind of new educational nobility that shouldn't be questioned.
And us little peeons better not question else we be accused of
abusing our children.
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Unread 01-30-2008, 08:48 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Because the so called experts tell them it might delay their
speech. People still think that having a degree in something
means that the proffesional knows more than they do.

In doing research for my bf s baby who had a terminal illness,
I found a possible treatment by studying the way mouse models
with this illness coped with it, and tried to find a medical professional
willing to try the treatment. It was a treatment I invented! NO doctor
was willing to try it (even though the little guy was terminal and even
though they already admitted they could do nothing) Every cellular
biologist I called across this nation said the same thing. "There is no
research that indicates the human body could react in the same way
that the mice models do". And I'm asking them why they are pretesting
drugs on mice if they are such bad examples!? Grrrrrrrrrr!

The worst part is that, that was 7 years ago and I just read online
where some one is proposing the same treatment I came up with
be used. To late for my bf s baby.

My point is doctors and other professionals don't always keep up
with their fields, and they seem to think if you don't have a degree
you are incapable of coming up with anything yourself. Look how
many people end of diagnosing their own illnesses, because no
one in the medical world can help them. And many times they
nearly die. The sad part is that we have developed a new kind
of class society where a degree confers upon its bearer some
kind of new educational nobility that shouldn't be questioned.
And us little peeons better not question else we be accused of
abusing our children.

I understand your comparison in this statement. Dr's and people are telling hearing parents that the child will be delayed in speech due to ASL (which is a bunch of crock) due to the child will be delayed in speech because that child CANT hear. ASL is not the reason ....the hearing loss is....

depending on the parenting skills and the choices the parents make is what will mold that child grammar and speech skills and it also depends on what that child wants to learn.

ASL is not a dirty little scam that will keep your child from learning. I believe it will help a child to learn more and have more language skills due to they learn it very early on in life.

Dr's want to say this and that and they don't always know.
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Unread 01-30-2008, 10:34 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I understand your comparison in this statement. Dr's and people are telling hearing parents that the child will be delayed in speech due to ASL (which is a bunch of crock) due to the child will be delayed in speech because that child CANT hear. ASL is not the reason ....the hearing loss is....

depending on the parenting skills and the choices the parents make is what will mold that child grammar and speech skills and it also depends on what that child wants to learn.

ASL is not a dirty little scam that will keep your child from learning. I believe it will help a child to learn more and have more language skills due to they learn it very early on in life.

Dr's want to say this and that and they don't always know.
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Unread 01-30-2008, 11:37 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Oh the ironic, deaf children are the one who need it badly and yet they teach ASL to hearing children. lol

But hey I am not saying it's a bad thing. It's good for any child to be able to communicate in method that's easiest for them.
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Unread 01-31-2008, 12:10 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Oh the ironic, deaf children are the one who need it badly and yet they teach ASL to hearing children. lol

But hey I am not saying it's a bad thing. It's good for any child to be able to communicate in method that's easiest for them.
But think of all those hearing children who will grow up knowing
that sign language is just another beautiful language!
They will be interacting with Deaf people their age and it
can only make things better for everyones future. ASL won't
be considered so different any more. It will be good. It is sad
the change hasn't come sooner. But change in all things, when
purposeful and steady is usually permanent.
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Eh, I dunno. I don't think many of them will use ASL for rest of their life. And beside how much things do you really remember from when you were 2 or 3 years old?

But hey what you said could happen as well.
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Eh, I dunno. I don't think many of them will use ASL for rest of their life. And beside how much things do you really remember from when you were 2 or 3 years old?

But hey what you said could happen as well.
Well, I'm not thinking so much about them remembering
what they were taught. But the attitude towards sign
language will have changed. Instead of being somethiing
that is done by people with a disability, they will think
of ASL as the language of a different culture. Deaf people
won't have to be dealing with uninformed predjudice that
they have had to deal with in the past. That will be the
change, and the most important one.
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Unread 02-04-2008, 07:17 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Well, I'm not thinking so much about them remembering
what they were taught. But the attitude towards sign
language will have changed. Instead of being somethiing
that is done by people with a disability, they will think
of ASL as the language of a different culture. Deaf people
won't have to be dealing with uninformed predjudice that
they have had to deal with in the past. That will be the
change, and the most important one.
That is my hope, too. More exposure to ASL might equal to less prejudging.
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Amy Cohen Efron's vlogs "The Greatest Irony" address exactly this issue. I see now she's selling them instead of having them available publicly but basically the question is, if "baby sign" for hearing infants is so great, why isn't it also great for deaf babies?
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I am proud to announce that the graduation for our pre schoolers some of the songs will be done in ASL!! Parents and family members will be able to see what they have learned.

We will be doing our ABC's, Days of the week, Moo Your Mouth, Maybe a few others. I can not wait!!
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I am proud to announce that the graduation for our pre schoolers some of the songs will be done in ASL!! Parents and family members will be able to see what they have learned.

We will be doing our ABC's, Days of the week, Moo Your Mouth, Maybe a few others. I can not wait!!
Please take some pics of these cuties and post them here. I would love to see them!
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I will do in June!

I have been doing this over the summer. The director and the other teachers loved it. So we all agreed it would make an excellent graduation program!

Just to show these kids are excelling in more ways that others. I have not yet had a parent complain that Signing is delaying their language skills.
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Well you all have to wait until June!! I can not just take pictures of these kids and post them on the internet. I have to have parental consent.
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Well you all have to wait until June!! I can not just take pictures of these kids and post them on the internet. I have to have parental consent.
I know. I was just enticing/provoking/trolling you
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I will do in June!

I have been doing this over the summer. The director and the other teachers loved it. So we all agreed it would make an excellent graduation program!

Just to show these kids are excelling in more ways that others. I have not yet had a parent complain that Signing is delaying their language skills.
It's great to know that the parents are on board with your program! I can't wait until June!
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I know. I was just enticing/provoking/trolling you

I know!

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Just take pictures of your kids doing it instead....
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I will have to get more photos and post them.

Maybe that will be something for me to do Tomorrow.

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Chris is in Pre K this year. Each time we teach him a new sign we give the teacher a copy of the flash card and show her the new signs, I've noticed parents standing in front of me while I'm doing this and coping the sign. It's awsome how they and the teacher is trying to learn it with him..
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Chris is in Pre K this year. Each time we teach him a new sign we give the teacher a copy of the flash card and show her the new signs, I've noticed parents standing in front of me while I'm doing this and coping the sign. It's awsome how they and the teacher is trying to learn it with him..
That is great!!

Parents and teachers are all the time asking me how do you sign this or that.

I think it is great that people are eager to learn. It defiantly helps to educate people that it is OK to talk with your hands.
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That is great!!

Parents and teachers are all the time asking me how do you sign this or that.

I think it is great that people are eager to learn. It defiantly helps to educate people that it is OK to talk with your hands.
Absolutely. We just have to keep demonstrating the benefits to counteract those stupid myths that persist despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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Absolutely. We just have to keep demonstrating the benefits to counteract those stupid myths that persist despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I agree! Those myths you are speaking of, Meaning the delays?

Just want to be clear.

If you are thinking of the same "stupid myths" that ASL delays the oral language. I have to agree with you. It is an outrage that parents of Deaf children are told that. I only see it as and previously posted it over and over! It Helps to EXPAND the understanding and language skills. I feel it will teach implanted children to speak sooner and to have the understanding of language.
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I agree! Those myths you are speaking of, Meaning the delays?

Just want to be clear.

If you are thinking of the same "stupid myths" that ASL delays the oral language. I have to agree with you. It is an outrage that parents of Deaf children are told that. I only see it as and previously posted it over and over! It Helps to EXPAND the understanding and language skills. I feel it will teach implanted children to speak sooner and to have the understanding of language.
Yes, those are they myths I am referring to. Absurd. I have my own hypothesis about why the CI centers seem so intent on spreading the ancient myths.
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Yes, those are they myths I am referring to. Absurd. I have my own hypothesis about why the CI centers seem so intent on spreading the ancient myths.

My hypothesis is the same with the child I posted about previously in this thread. The child I had before. The parents allowed him to sign at first. Then all of a sudden the parent did a 380' Told me to stop signing with him. I was like what in the hell!?? The child was frustrated and started showing behavioral problems. So I started to sign with him. I was the only one there at the center that knew ASL. I was the only one that could "actually communicate with this three year old child. His parents withdrew him because I would not stop signing to him. I respect the parents but I had more respect for that child due to he was missing out so much. The mapping was not even completed. with a child that young does not deserve to miss out on ANYTHING while the brain is able to soak up the language skills.

I'm sure you know as well as I do. The first three years of a child's life is what truly maps a child. Hate to see a child miss out on that.
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My hypothesis is the same with the child I posted about previously in this thread. The child I had before. The parents allowed him to sign at first. Then all of a sudden the parent did a 380' Told me to stop signing with him. I was like what in the hell!?? The child was frustrated and started showing behavioral problems. So I started to sign with him. I was the only one there at the center that knew ASL. I was the only one that could "actually communicate with this three year old child. His parents withdrew him because I would not stop signing to him. I respect the parents but I had more respect for that child due to he was missing out so much. The mapping was not even completed. with a child that young does not deserve to miss out on ANYTHING while the brain is able to soak up the language skills.

I'm sure you know as well as I do. The first three years of a child's life is what truly maps a child. Hate to see a child miss out on that.
Oh, absolutely! I think the CI centers promote oral only language as a tool to increase the number of implants done, and in the process, exploit parent's fears. They can't promote ASL, because if effective communication can be achieved with ASL, there is no push for early implantation. Hate to sound like a pessimist, but I've been watching this for some time now, and it is a logical conclusion.
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Oh, absolutely! I think the CI centers promote oral only language as a tool to increase the number of implants done, and in the process, exploit parent's fears. They can't promote ASL, because if effective communication can be achieved with ASL, there is no push for early implantation. Hate to sound like a pessimist, but I've been watching this for some time now, and it is a logical conclusion.
I have wonderful communication with my daughter through ASL but I would still advocate early implantation. The longer the brain is without auditory stimulation, the harder it is to learn how to interpret the signal. That is the reason to implant as early as is safe and appropriate.
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Oh, absolutely! I think the CI centers promote oral only language as a tool to increase the number of implants done, and in the process, exploit parent's fears. They can't promote ASL, because if effective communication can be achieved with ASL, there is no push for early implantation. Hate to sound like a pessimist, but I've been watching this for some time now, and it is a logical conclusion.
Only if the CI center would understand that T.C. would benefit the best of both worlds. But they just seem to want implanted children to speak alone with out the tools they need to be effective and productive. ASL is that tool. ASL is what will boost that child's language skills. Not delay it.

If we can do it to boost a hearing child's language skills. Why not an implanted child. I just don't get it!
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I have wonderful communication with my daughter through ASL but I would still advocate early implantation. The longer the brain is without auditory stimulation, the harder it is to learn how to interpret the signal. That is the reason to implant as early as is safe and appropriate.

As long as you teach her ASL it will benefit her much more that just an oral only approach.
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