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Old 01-30-2008, 08:27 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I don't know.

Maybe make a professional video and give evidence that it's a myth and have a couple of hearing parents feature in the video as well one of the expert in this expertise?
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:33 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I agree..

Now this boils down to this subject..throwing this thread off a bit.

Hearing parents are so eager to have their hearing children learn ASL. They know it doesn't delay speech or grammar. and it actually helps improve the language skills early on.

BUT hearing parents of deaf child. ALOT of them don't want their children to learn ASL because they THINK it will delay a childs speech or grammar.

Why is that?
Because the so called experts tell them it might delay their
speech. People still think that having a degree in something
means that the proffesional knows more than they do.

In doing research for my bf s baby who had a terminal illness,
I found a possible treatment by studying the way mouse models
with this illness coped with it, and tried to find a medical professional
willing to try the treatment. It was a treatment I invented! NO doctor
was willing to try it (even though the little guy was terminal and even
though they already admitted they could do nothing) Every cellular
biologist I called across this nation said the same thing. "There is no
research that indicates the human body could react in the same way
that the mice models do". And I'm asking them why they are pretesting
drugs on mice if they are such bad examples!? Grrrrrrrrrr!

The worst part is that, that was 7 years ago and I just read online
where some one is proposing the same treatment I came up with
be used. To late for my bf s baby.

My point is doctors and other professionals don't always keep up
with their fields, and they seem to think if you don't have a degree
you are incapable of coming up with anything yourself. Look how
many people end of diagnosing their own illnesses, because no
one in the medical world can help them. And many times they
nearly die. The sad part is that we have developed a new kind
of class society where a degree confers upon its bearer some
kind of new educational nobility that shouldn't be questioned.
And us little peeons better not question else we be accused of
abusing our children.
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:48 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Because the so called experts tell them it might delay their
speech. People still think that having a degree in something
means that the proffesional knows more than they do.

In doing research for my bf s baby who had a terminal illness,
I found a possible treatment by studying the way mouse models
with this illness coped with it, and tried to find a medical professional
willing to try the treatment. It was a treatment I invented! NO doctor
was willing to try it (even though the little guy was terminal and even
though they already admitted they could do nothing) Every cellular
biologist I called across this nation said the same thing. "There is no
research that indicates the human body could react in the same way
that the mice models do". And I'm asking them why they are pretesting
drugs on mice if they are such bad examples!? Grrrrrrrrrr!

The worst part is that, that was 7 years ago and I just read online
where some one is proposing the same treatment I came up with
be used. To late for my bf s baby.

My point is doctors and other professionals don't always keep up
with their fields, and they seem to think if you don't have a degree
you are incapable of coming up with anything yourself. Look how
many people end of diagnosing their own illnesses, because no
one in the medical world can help them. And many times they
nearly die. The sad part is that we have developed a new kind
of class society where a degree confers upon its bearer some
kind of new educational nobility that shouldn't be questioned.
And us little peeons better not question else we be accused of
abusing our children.

I understand your comparison in this statement. Dr's and people are telling hearing parents that the child will be delayed in speech due to ASL (which is a bunch of crock) due to the child will be delayed in speech because that child CANT hear. ASL is not the reason ....the hearing loss is....

depending on the parenting skills and the choices the parents make is what will mold that child grammar and speech skills and it also depends on what that child wants to learn.

ASL is not a dirty little scam that will keep your child from learning. I believe it will help a child to learn more and have more language skills due to they learn it very early on in life.

Dr's want to say this and that and they don't always know.
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Old 01-30-2008, 10:34 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I understand your comparison in this statement. Dr's and people are telling hearing parents that the child will be delayed in speech due to ASL (which is a bunch of crock) due to the child will be delayed in speech because that child CANT hear. ASL is not the reason ....the hearing loss is....

depending on the parenting skills and the choices the parents make is what will mold that child grammar and speech skills and it also depends on what that child wants to learn.

ASL is not a dirty little scam that will keep your child from learning. I believe it will help a child to learn more and have more language skills due to they learn it very early on in life.

Dr's want to say this and that and they don't always know.
preachin to the choir
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:37 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Oh the ironic, deaf children are the one who need it badly and yet they teach ASL to hearing children. lol

But hey I am not saying it's a bad thing. It's good for any child to be able to communicate in method that's easiest for them.
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:10 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Oh the ironic, deaf children are the one who need it badly and yet they teach ASL to hearing children. lol

But hey I am not saying it's a bad thing. It's good for any child to be able to communicate in method that's easiest for them.
But think of all those hearing children who will grow up knowing
that sign language is just another beautiful language!
They will be interacting with Deaf people their age and it
can only make things better for everyones future. ASL won't
be considered so different any more. It will be good. It is sad
the change hasn't come sooner. But change in all things, when
purposeful and steady is usually permanent.
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:14 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Eh, I dunno. I don't think many of them will use ASL for rest of their life. And beside how much things do you really remember from when you were 2 or 3 years old?

But hey what you said could happen as well.
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:11 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Eh, I dunno. I don't think many of them will use ASL for rest of their life. And beside how much things do you really remember from when you were 2 or 3 years old?

But hey what you said could happen as well.
Well, I'm not thinking so much about them remembering
what they were taught. But the attitude towards sign
language will have changed. Instead of being somethiing
that is done by people with a disability, they will think
of ASL as the language of a different culture. Deaf people
won't have to be dealing with uninformed predjudice that
they have had to deal with in the past. That will be the
change, and the most important one.
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Old 02-04-2008, 07:17 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Well, I'm not thinking so much about them remembering
what they were taught. But the attitude towards sign
language will have changed. Instead of being somethiing
that is done by people with a disability, they will think
of ASL as the language of a different culture. Deaf people
won't have to be dealing with uninformed predjudice that
they have had to deal with in the past. That will be the
change, and the most important one.
That is my hope, too. More exposure to ASL might equal to less prejudging.
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Old 02-12-2008, 08:48 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Amy Cohen Efron's vlogs "The Greatest Irony" address exactly this issue. I see now she's selling them instead of having them available publicly but basically the question is, if "baby sign" for hearing infants is so great, why isn't it also great for deaf babies?
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