WWIII has begin? - Page 4

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

In bold, what about Vietnam War?

what do you think how did we do in Vietnam War?

**Foxrac** · 11-28-2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

what do you think how did we do in Vietnam War?

to fought against North Vietnam and protect South Vietnam from fell to communist but we failed and North Vietnam tookover South Vietnam then reunified into one Vietnam.

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

a reply from my dad (don't mind his English)

Thanks for sharing that with us Jiro. As you may recall, I have a friend whom was a S. Korean Military Intelligence Officer. We lost contact years ago.

It was his job to photograph evidence of these skirmishes. Some were made public, others were not.

When my father had his construction business, he hired someone who is now a LEO in Tampa. However, when he was in the Army, he served in S. Korea. He told me stories about his experiences there. One of them, I will never forget. They found tunnels every day. North Korea has bided their time, they will always plan to invade S. Korea. These "tunnels" were made for tanks.

I have an uncle who was in the Air force and was also stationed in S. Korea. His experiences were similar. I also have been babysat (and still know) Korean War veterans. They have all patiently awaited China's response. Now, China has given their response.

Anyways, the rhetoric concerning what China has said is clear to me. They have picked a side and it isn't us.

edit: However, I am not too worried about China. It is very telling that we are better at capturing their spies than they are at capturing ours

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Thanks for sharing that with us Jiro. As you may recall, I have a friend whom was a S. Korean Military Intelligence Officer. We lost contact years ago.

It was his job to photograph evidence of these skirmishes. Some were made public, others were not.

When my father had his construction business, he hired someone who is now a LEO in Tampa. However, when he was in the Army, he served in S. Korea. He told me stories about his experiences there. One of them, I will never forget. They found tunnels every day. North Korea has bided their time, they will always plan to invade S. Korea. These "tunnels" were made for tanks.

I have an uncle who was in the Air force and was also stationed in S. Korea. His experiences were similar. I also have been babysat (and still know) Korean War veterans. They have all patiently awaited China's response. Now, China has given their response.

Anyways, the rhetoric concerning what China has said is clear to me. They have picked a side and it isn't us.

tunnels were found and closed. There are definitely more tunnels to be found. China has historically sided with NK but exercised with caution.

China's wiser than us when it comes to foreign matter. We do not get to tell the Chinese what to do or what not to do because they have over 5,000 years of history. Who are we to lecture to them when we are a child to them?

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Therefore, the relationship between the two countries is to enhance mutual understanding, promote interpersonal communication major step forward in the direction. Because that is the ultimate key to bilateral relations. And this relationship is built between the two peoples on both sides of the cultural background and the difference between the two sides have to understand the foundation. The American people, they need to understand is that China has five thousand years of history, cultural background and social experience. As a new generation of country the United States, you need to seek its founding document of their country. For example, describes in detail the rights and freedoms of the United States "Constitution" that the U.S. retained the longest, and continuing to use the rule tool. I hope my Chinese friends can understand the American people are unique, that is, people of both countries need to build a cultural bridge.

-Jon Huntsman, former Utah Governor and US Ambassador to China

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

edit: However, I am not too worried about China. It is very telling that we are better at capturing their spies than they are at capturing ours

you sure? they've been able to successfully steal quite a handful of our military secrets. makes you wonder why we're still working with China

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 03:18 AM

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you sure? they've been able to successfully steal quite a handful of our military secrets. makes you wonder why we're still working with China

we "probably" have 10 spies watching them steal our "secrets".

When we stopped them from stealing our secrets, they "accidentally" clipped one of our planes and demanded an apology which they never received.

But yes, 5,000 years of history but we landed on the moon in less than 200 years. So much for wisdom.

Tianemann Square wasn't wise in my humble opinion. Those students that gave their lives to protest were the wisest ones.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

we "probably" have 10 spies watching them steal our "secrets".

When we stopped them from stealing our secrets, they "accidentally" clipped one of our planes and demanded an apology which they never received.

But yes, 5,000 years of history but we landed on the moon in less than 200 years. So much for wisdom.

Tianemann Square wasn't wise in my humble opinion. Those students that gave their lives to protest were the wisest ones.

so we had the technology to land on moon.... and yet we still can't fix our traffic jam? CC in internet tv? bullet trains? social issues? poverty?

yea so much for wisdom.

beside - you missed the point. I said foreign policy... not technological advancement. major difference. what does landing on moon has to do with foreign policy?

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so we had the technology to land on moon.... and yet we still can't fix our traffic jam? CC in internet tv? bullet trains? social issues? poverty?

yea so much for wisdom.

beside - you missed the point. I said foreign policy... not technological advancement. major difference. what does landing on moon has to do with foreign policy?

Well - we were competing with the commies then too right?

That "could" be considered a result of our foreign policy with communist nations.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 03:40 AM

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Well - we were competing with the commies then too right?

quiz for you - who specifically were we competing with?

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That "could" be considered a result of our foreign policy with communist nations.

not really. might be better for you to come up with facts instead of theories that exist only in your head.

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

quiz for you - who specifically were we competing with?

not really.

Sputnik makers.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Sputnik makers.

there you go. we were talking about the Chinese.... not Russian.

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 03:42 AM

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there you go. we were talking about the Chinese.... not Russian.

I was talking about communist nations. N. Korea, China and Russia.

Kind of all ties in with why there is a North and South Korea.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

I was talking about communist nations. N. Korea, China and Russia.

they're..... not the same. each country has a fundamentally different system.

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Kind of all ties in with why there is a North and South Korea.

cuz of.... $$$$$. USA is part of it too.

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

they're..... not the same. each country has a fundamentally different system.

cuz of.... $$$$$. USA is part of it too.

Yes, I realize they are each fundamentally different, but have the same form of government. An oppressive one.

That is why the U.S. will continue to support our allies, especially when they are being threatened.

And yes, it often backfires, but it does not hinder us from helping our friends.

We kicked the Soviets out of Afghanistan, only to have that backfire. And yes, I am critical of they way we ABANDONED the Afghans.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yes, I realize they are each fundamentally different, but have the same form of government. An oppressive one.

That is why the U.S. will continue to support our allies, especially when they are being threatened.

And yes, it often backfires, but it does not hinder us from helping our friends.

We kicked the Soviets out of Afghanistan, only to have that backfire.

um............................................ no?

time to sign up for World History course at your local community college. it's so hilarious that you're mixing everything up together in a blender machine

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 03:53 AM

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um............................................ no?

time to sign up for World History course at your local community college. it's so hilarious that you're mixing everything up together in a blender machine

No need, I already took Foreign Policy.

Vietnam, the soviets supplied the enemy with all the weapons to drag us into a lengthy war.

The U.S. made the same mistake they made in Korea. The Pentagon ran everything on a schedule and "politically correct" warriors ran the show.

edit: But .... the Soviet Union eventually crumbled.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 03:56 AM

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But .... the Soviet Union eventually crumbled.

..... and we didn't even attack Soviet Union

same fate will happen for North Korea.

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 04:04 AM

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..... and we didn't even attack Soviet Union

same fate will happen for North Korea.

Yes, that is the goal ... a reunified and FREE Korea. Not an obliterated one.

However, force has to be met with force. China and N. Korea cannot dictate to S. Korea who they can and cannot be friends with and cannot dictate to S. Korea how to defend their country.

The same military exercises that have been taking place every year will continue.

sorry one last edit: N. Korea decalred to the world they have a nuclear weapons production facility, a week later they bomb the $hit out of S. Korea.

S. Korea has been doing the same military exercises every year. N. Korea aimed at civilians. That is a big "no-no". the U.S. has a very big paddle. They will get spanked.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yes, that is the goal ... a reunified and FREE Korea. Not an obliterated one.

However, force has to be met with force. China and N. Korea cannot dictate to S. Korea who they can and cannot be friends with and cannot dictate to S. Korea how to defend their country.

The same military exercises that have been taking place every year will continue.

so you want to re-ignite Korean War?

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so you want to re-ignite Korean War?

Not at all.

It appears the N. koreans want to.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Not at all.

good. then we are in agreement that we should exercise with extreme restraint.

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 04:10 AM

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good. then we are in agreement that we should exercise with extreme restraint.

Yes. However, like I said, actions displayed by the N. Koreans need to be addressed in a language they can understand.

How do you deal with a regime that is holding their own people hostage?

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

Yes. However, like I said, actions displayed by the N. Koreans need to be addressed in a language they can understand.

How do you deal with a regime that is holding their own people hostage?

so you want to adopt "Bomb Bomb Bomb" policy? "Shoot First, Ask Later"?

**Reba** · 11-28-2010, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

how would you know? We all know it's on the verge of collapse.

You know that for a fact?

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we're not straying from topic. It's all related to how it can buckle NK's communist regime. We never retaliated nor attacked during Cold War, didn't we? and against China too, didn't we? and Cuba? Not a single war.

We didn't give them the chance to attack us first. They didn't dare because they knew we would retaliate. N. Korea doesn't have that same fear.

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beside - we already retaliated back. what more do you want? Korean War II?

Korean war #1 isn't yet over.

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Easy for you to say that we should retaliate back when you're 7,000 miles away from North Korea while our families are within eye sight of NK's missile strikes in Seoul.

Do you feel comfortable with your family being sitting ducks to anything N. Korea wants to do?

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We must exercise with extreme restraint and UN Secretary General Ban (South Korean too) is suggesting same. We both fear for our birth country and our people.

That's what N. Korea is counting on, too.

**Reba** · 11-28-2010, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

She wouldn't be a good reporter if she gave up her source.

A professional "good" reporter doesn't make unattributed statements. She didn't even make a generic attribution like, "an unnamed Pentagon source" or WikiLinks. Nothing. Until there's an official source for such information, I don't believe it. Why should I? Why should anyone? There's no way you can fact check whatever statements she throws out there.

She probably didn't give a source because it's an unreliable one.

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That's not a good thing.

netrox · 11-28-2010, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

tunnels were found and closed. There are definitely more tunnels to be found. China has historically sided with NK but exercised with caution.

China's wiser than us when it comes to foreign matter. We do not get to tell the Chinese what to do or what not to do because they have over 5,000 years of history. Who are we to lecture to them when we are a child to them?

The communist party did not exist for 5000 years!

Steinhauer · 11-28-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

so you want to adopt "Bomb Bomb Bomb" policy? "Shoot First, Ask Later"?

You have just described what North Korea has done. Except they bomb, bomb, bomb make paranoid false accusations later.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

You know that for a fact?

ask the Koreans.

oh wait.......

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We didn't give them the chance to attack us first. They didn't dare because they knew we would retaliate. N. Korea doesn't have that same fear.

Korean war #1 isn't yet over.

Do you feel comfortable with your family being sitting ducks to anything N. Korea wants to do?

That's what N. Korea is counting on, too.

I am not comfortable with how you "Americans" think. That's why we Koreans repeatedly told the Americans to butt out.

**Jiro** · 11-28-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Steinhauer

You have just described what North Korea has done. Except they bomb, bomb, bomb make paranoid false accusations later.

who fired the shell first?

**Beowulf** · 11-28-2010, 02:10 PM

Me so hawky, bomb you long time, bomb you long time.

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