Liebling:-)))

[quote]No, the doctors would not say like that. They only do is recommend us to do... It's up to us as patient either we want to hear their advise or ask other doctor for second opinion. It's our responsible if we don't want to listen our doctor's advise/recommendation.

I am very sorry to hear about your mother. I am glad that you searched positive how to help your mother. Why can't you check with other doctor for second opinion? We often do that... if we feel unsure either our doctor are right or not... We searched and visit other doctor for second opinion. If their opinion are equal then I accept...

I work full time and my hubby work part time (I work from 7.30 am to 4.00 pm and my hubby work from 4.30 pm to 10.00 pm) The reason we use different time because of be there for our boys.

Yes, obligation taxes and social insurances are being removed from our monthly wage automatic.

We receive EUR 154 per child a month from Government, no matter either I have a job or not. I have 2 boys which mean is I receive total 308 EUR per month until my boys get job with their income limited (their monthly income should be under 800 EUR per month... I will lost child allowance if my boys's month earn over 800 EUR... Child allowance remains until my boys finish with their univerisity or to age 25.

You have 8 person in household? How many children do you have? Do you have child allowance in America?

We need to go work to keep our house survive and support our family life. It's impossible to keep our house survive if one of us are out of work.

I thought Americans work to pay taxes to federal government, don't they?

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Liebling:-)))

You can ask Dreama... She is British and still live in England.

I born and raise in England and live in Germany at over 22 years ago. I know British health system... It's definitely sucker but I heard that UK health system goes improve time to time than before. I don't know either it's true or not. Some friends who live in England said positive things and some not.

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Liebling:-)))

Exactly

We work to pay social insurances (healthcare, nursing care, pension and unemployment) and taxes every month under my hubby's health insurance at Bosch company as "family insurance".

All what my family & I do is carry our health insurance card to show doctors and hospital etc then the treatment, therapies, surgery etc for goes direct to our health insurance automatic. I will get free medical care if I am out of work.

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Liebling:-)))

how could the people can afford to get themselves when they are out of work? how could the people can afford to get expensive insurance themselves when they get low wage?

That's why I am for Hillary's support plan because everyone (yes, I mean everyone) should pay health insurance if they are work and support the others who are out of work or living on pension money. Its about support each other.

I do not support to help just children but everyone because they need our medical help badly to survive.

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Liebling:-)))

I would like to correct you about this.

We work to pay health insurance. The bill goes to health insurance directly, not us, no matter either I am work or out of work.

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Reba

Even that is not really "free"; someone still pays for it.

Reba

You and other members pay into the health insurance. Therefor, your medical care is not "free".

Liebling:-)))

[quote]I used to work in England before married and live in Germany.

Yes I work to pay insurance when I was in England.

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Liebling:-)))

I already explained in my previous posts... So? I really have no problem with that because I prefer to have health insurance to pay everything than without insurance then I have to pay $300 per emergency...

Did you know how much head surgery cost, my son had at 2 years ago? I am realllllyyyyyy gllllaaaaddddd that I have health insurance for our family safety....

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The really poor people can get Medicaid.


We already do that. My taxes pay for Medicaid and Medicare for other people.

Who will pay for the additional medical services that Hillary proposes? If my taxes increase to pay for her programs, then I will have less money to pay for my own medical needs.

Reba

Health insurance pays for everything with your money. You (or other people) actually pay for it without realizing it. Nothing is free (except maybe for thieves, heh, heh).

Liebling:-)))

So? Again, I am reallllyyyyyy gllllaaaadddddddd.... without hassle and stress

Did you heard the movie "John Q"? Can you image to end like him when you were in his shoe?

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Liebling:-)))

I think you don't get it...

Example:

I pay $100 for health insurance per month... It doesn't mean that they cover $100 for my son's head surgery that's because I pay $100 to health insurance?

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Liebling:-)))

Why million people don't have insurance when they are on work? Why can't they get Medicaid then?

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Hello, that was a fictional movie, not a true story.

I can't give details (for privacy reasons) but let me tell you that critically ill poor children (of all races) do get taken care of, including transplants. It's not easy but it can be done.

And the staff do not treat them like "charity cases". I've seen it.

PowerON

you don't get it. more tax, govt will take your money to pay to someone for med in need.

Canada don't make much money as they decide go to shop here in US which is much cheap than in Canada to save their ass.

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It sounds like health tax or medical tax (paid from payroll), sometime, you made confused me after mention on health insurance.

In USA, we do have medicare from payroll, that is part of tax from SS.

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Liebling:-)))

[quote]No, our system are different.

Check my thread. It explains
http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/...ies-world.html

I work to pay social insurances (health, nursing care, pension and unemployment) AND taxes (Gross tax, solidarity tax and Church tax) My Employer and I as employee or worker pay social insurances and taxes 50%-50%.

I used to work in England and paid health insurance, pension insurance and gross tax. It goes the same with Canada and other European countries as well.



Yes, I know you work to pay tax for medicare to help poor people but you don´t have medicare yourself that´s because you are work... Right? I get my medical care because I work to pay insurances.

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Liebling:-)))

You don´t get it either.

I explained Reba in my previous post... That's why I am for Hillary's support plan because everyone (yes, I mean everyone) should pay health insurance if they are work and support the others who are out of work or living on pension money. Its about support each other. I really have no problem for that.

I rather to help people with my money because their health come first before war issues.

I don´t beleive that Canadians went to USA for medical care since they have everything what they need in their country.

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[quote=Liebling:-)));869352]I only have Medicaid for medical issue reason, that all but different from Medicare.

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Liebling:-)))

Yes I know but it could be happened one of you some day if you don´t have health insurance.

I remember one former ADer who told us the story in other forum at several years ago that she and her hubby are worker and don´t have health insurance until the happend to her hubby. Her hubby fall down from the ladder and his arm or leg fractured and surgery... It cost them $10,000. Those situation cost their hassle and stress... after that bad experience, they decided to insure healthcare... They make sure that it won´t happen again. They made monthly payment to doctor until the debt is end...

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[quote=Liebling:-)));869300]I have 4 children left at home. The others have left and are adults
on their own. One college student that is home on weekends, my
husband, myself and my mother. My mother pays her own medical
from medicare and extra private insurance. We do not have an allowance
but something almost as good. At the end of each year you can take
a certain amount off of your taxes for each child. So I don't have to
pay as much in taxes with all my little ones. (something Hillary would
like to take away)

The federal government takes our taxes, and the state government
takes our taxes. These are listed on our checks, every thing the
government takes out. If you look at all that is taken out you begin
to get suspicious because you think "where is all that money going?"
and we should have free health care and spas with all that money
coming out of pay checks."

I would much rather make payments to end a debt and therefor
only have to pay when is necessary than to have the govt take
more money when I am not using it. And like Reba says, if we
were to have any really huge debt, there are govt programs you
can file for that will pay your medical bills. Say one of my kids
had an accident and I owed a $10,000 medical bill. Then I would
apply for the Oregon Health Care plan. I didn't do it for $300
because I would rather make payments than cause another
taxpayer to have to help pay for my kids medical bills. As I said
there is already enough taken out of checks for taxes. If anything
it is the governments fault for using the money they already get
in unneccasary spending, like when Bill Clinton got that $700 hair
cut on the airplane. Does anyone else here remember that? I would
have cut his hair for $20 and saved the taxpayers some money. I
would have even slapped his hand if he tried to sneak a feel!

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Excellent advice. I would like to add, L-lysiene taken on an empty stomach
once per day is anti-viral and will shorten the duration of a cold. I talked to
an emergency room doctor here who was from Romania. She said that here
if she tells someone to drink herbal tea and hot lemon with ginger like she
does for a sore throat, that she could lose her liscense to practice medicine
over here!

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