World Comparison

[Foxrac]

Venezuela does not have a solid socialist government because it is half socialist and communist government. Chavez has been in and out corrupting the government.

Safe to say, Venezuela has a long ways to go with socialism.

How Venezuela is communist?

It's very far to say communist because congress in Venezuela has gave Chavez so more power to control on everything and he's democratically elected, he won the election in last year.

It's true about Venezuela is corrupted government but communist is in question.

 

[jillio]

I think there is no solution to the illegal gun black market.

However, I have seen that crimes are committed because people want something. Now, if we can address the root of the problems, then we could tackle the problem of gun-related deaths.

Exactly. And that is a sociological issue, not a legal one.

 

[Foxrac]

As stated in page 1 -

I think we can come to agreement on gun control law. Can you give me some examples of your idea on gun control law to fix the illegal gun issue?

any suggestion? idea? solution? anybody????

That's right, I don't agree with liberal members about gun policies and not much would change it.

 

[jillio]

Bingo.

This is why socialism will always work. A socialist system works better and you'd have a much less crime rate.

Agreed. Lack of stratification within a society has been shown to reduce crime. Attempting to address social issues through legal means only increases the stratification.

 

[Jiro]

Exactly. These are two legislations by which I am professionally bound. They have absolutely nothing to do with gun deaths.

the proposal change was was in direct response to Virginia Tech shooting. So yes I guess it has something to do with THAT gun deaths.

 

[jillio]

No, that's incorrect and Bush hasn't change the gun policies and gun policies are still under Clinton admin in 2001.

USA is in RECESSION due dot-com bust and 9/11, it has nothing with Bush.

Murder rate is continue to dropping during Bush admin after 2003 or so when economy were recovered from 2001 recession.

Blog isn't reliable source, I already provide a link in my post, go look around.

The Brady Bill was allowed to expire under the Bush administration. And the number of deaths by gunfire has increased since that time.

 

[jillio]

Then they shouldn't have access to guns, now should they?

Excellent point!

 

[jillio]

the proposal change was was in direct response to Virginia Tech shooting. So yes I guess it has something to do with THAT gun deaths.

No, it doesn't, Jiro. As I have stated, there is a legal precedent that governs the release of information when a person is determined to be a danger to themselves or others. It is called "Duty to Warn." All professionals dealing with the mental status and assessment of individuals either in schools or outside of schools are bound by that obligation.

 

[Jiro]

The Brady Bill was allowed to expire under the Bush administration. And the number of deaths by gunfire has increased since that time.

in other word - Bush did not change anything. Foxrac's statement stands correct. Bush did not overturn it or whatsoever. the gun policy under Clinton Administration simply expired.

 

[Foxrac]

The Brady Bill was allowed to expire under the Bush administration. And the number of deaths by gunfire has increased since that time.

What years?

I already provide a link about murder rate during Bush admin, still lower as Clinton admin does.

 

[Jiro]

Excellent point!

huh? so soldiers should go to war with no guns? :roll: beside - anybody with a history of mental illness shouldn't have guns anyway.... which is already a law

 

[jillio]

so do you have any viable solution or any constructive suggestion at all? This thread is about gun control laws.... not numbers.

There wouldn't be a need for the discussion if it weren't for the numbers.

 

[Frisky Feline]

Yup, Chavez is very crazy leader and there's tons of protest on street.

I wouldn't want go to Venezuela and it's not safer as in 90's, before Chavez came in.

yea i was there in 1989. the little cute boys stole my favorite teva sandles. Never come back to that place at all.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling - about Switzerland.... I'd like to say one thing.

Switzerland has a compulsory military service - "Swiss Militia Model." They are fully-educated and fully-trained about guns. There are gun ranges EVERYWHERE in Switzerland while we have GOLF RANGES everywhere in America.

One of the reasons why gun-related deaths was low in USA compared to now was because USA once had a compulsory military service. I don't know if you remember my old post but I stated that I would like a compulsory military service to return in America but in a revised, more flexible version. I'm very very big on concept of Civil Service which was one of the main highlights of FDR's program. I have heard that Obama will promote similar concept.

here's something for you to read - The Wall Street Journal Europe.

Every countries around the world do have gun laws. It has nothing do with military issues but the gun control law, the government set for their people in each country.

Government can ban, tighten or loose the Gun Control law if they want to, not military.

The link explains better over Switerzland vs US but you can read the world gun control in the link if you like to. You can see that Swiss are very strict with gun law and very low gun/violence crime rate like what I explained you at my post #1.

Gun politics in Switzerland: Information from Answers.com

gun control: West's Encyclopedia of American Law (Full Article) from Answers.com

some links in this link, you can click and further read.

gun control: West's Encyclopedia of American Law (Full Article) from Answers.com

for link but the link, you provided is old but we should focus the link, you provided from other thread NationMaster - World Statistics, Country Comparisons

I agree with the link that there´re high assault and robbery rate in UK but use the gun is quick and easy to kill 5 or more people than use knife to stab one to two people.

Swiss crime rate are very low when there´re high gun owners everywhere in Switerzland than in the USA. Thanks to tighten the gun control restriction to prevent from gun crimes/violence.

 

[jillio]

in other word - Bush did not change anything. Foxrac's statement stands correct. Bush did not overturn it or whatsoever. the gun policy under Clinton Administration simply expired.

Yes, he did. He failed to sign the legislation to keep it in place.

 

[Jiro]

No, it doesn't, Jiro. As I have stated, there is a legal precedent that governs the release of information when a person is determined to be a danger to themselves or others. It is called "Duty to Warn." All professionals dealing with the mental status and assessment of individuals either in schools or outside of schools are bound by that obligation.

I guess that they failed their duty to warn us of those students with destructive mental illness. that's why U.S. Department of Education is attempting to make a change to ensure that this will not happen again.

Again - educate yourself on this NEW update regarding FERPA.

 

[Twinkletoes]

he shouldn't have been there in the first place anyway

Unfortunately he was.

As stated in page 1 -

I think we can come to agreement on gun control law. Can you give me some examples of your idea on gun control law to fix the illegal gun issue?

any suggestion? idea? solution? anybody????

Ideas....

1. Must be an American citizen. No selling of weapons to illegal immigrants, green card holders, or those with dual citizenships.

2. No CCW Licenses should be transferable across state lines. None of the "multi-state" permits.

3. Limit the number of guns that one can have unless licensed as a collector.

 

[Jiro]

Unfortunately he was.

yep..... a hole in the system

Ideas....

1. Must be an American citizen. No selling of weapons to illegal immigrants, green card holders, or those with dual citizenships.

2. No CCW Licenses should be transferable across state lines. None of the "multi-state" permits.

3. Limit the number of guns that one can have unless licensed as a collector.

thank you!!!! Finally - a constructive post. Keep it coming

my reply to your suggestion -
1. that is already a law - see Federal Firearm Licenses (but I agree that it shouldn't be issued to green card holders)
2. I disagree
3. I disagree

but do please keep it coming

 

[Twinkletoes]

yep..... a hole in the system



thank you!!!! Finally - a constructive post. Keep it coming

my reply to your suggestion -
1. that is already a law - see Federal Firearm Licenses (but I agree that it shouldn't be issued to green card holders)
2. I disagree
3. I disagree

but do please keep it coming

Why do you disagree with #2 and #3?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

In Germany and other European countries that have tighten gun control, even banned in some countries like UK is one of them, for methods of murder, people can kill with knife, fighting (such as broken neck), non-armed weapons like bats, nightstick, pans and many thing, even people can get guns from black market, I believe that Germany still have black market in somewhere but difficult to find it.

Liebling, Why doesn't you make comment about high murders in Russia and many part of Latin America, gun regulation in Russia is little more stricter than America and you rather to talk about how is bad in America to make us looks bad in public.

There's crime data, from 1960 to 2005.
Crime in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The thread, I create is about world comparison... You are welcome to talk about Russia or other countries here if you like to.

It doesn´t mean that we make the USA look bad because we discuss about Gun control law between other countries and the USA. I check with Homicides > Gun Violence statistics - countries compared - NationMaster about crime rate in Russia. It says that Russia´s crime rate is low than the USA. You can see it yourself.

I am well aware that South Africa is the highest crime rate in the world. You can see the Nation master link that the USA is not worst in the world.