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Jiro said:
if there's a conclusive correlation between high unemployment rate and gun-related crimes... then the statistic will be high in Switzerland, right? That's why it's inconclusive to make such statement.

but yes people will do desperate thing. in the time of recession, people with legal guns would rob a bank or whatever. But then - at least you have a gun for yourself to protect against them. At least you won't become a number in gun-related crime statistic.
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So your solution to reducing the gun-related statistic would be is to have people carry guns with them at all times?
 
shel90 said:
So you are saying that if every U.S. male should be required to serve in the military, there would be less need for committing crimes therefore leading to less deaths by gunfire? :hmm:
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less crimes? no.
less accidental deaths? quite possibly!

Why? because they are fully-trained & fully-educated with the guns. Again - they do not have to serve in military. that's why I said "Civil Service" in reference to FDR's program and a compulsory military service in a revised, more flexible version - for ie. Peace Corps.
 
shel90 said:
Meaning that crime is rising due to decaying capitalism in which the top criminals feed drugs to the poor communities hence the need for illegal guns?
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Bingo.

This is why socialism will always work. A socialist system works better and you'd have a much less crime rate.
 
My vision is getting blurry again so better take a break and lie down with ice packs on my eyes. This discussion is becoming interesting. Pls do not lock the thread!!!
 
shel90 said:
So you are saying that if every U.S. male should be required to serve in the military, there would be less need for committing crimes therefore leading to less deaths by gunfire? :hmm:
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Jiro said:
less crimes? no.
less accidental deaths? quite possibly!

Why? because they are fully-trained & fully-educated with the guns. Again - they do not have to serve in military. that's why I said "Civil Service" in reference to FDR's program and a compulsory military service in a revised, more flexible version - for ie. Peace Corps.
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Well why don't we tell that to the 5 US soldiers that were killed by another US soldier in Baghdad?
 
Jiro said:
All your comments about drug addicts - yep I agree. Obama understands this. I applaud for him to think about curbing down our current, ineffective, costly drug laws especially marijuana. We need to focus on treatment & prevention programs, not jail jail jail. However - here's one question that you did not answer. How do we protect ourselves from ARMED drug dealers/addicts?

I think we can come to agreement on gun control law. Can you give me some examples of your idea on gun control law to fix the illegal gun issue?
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That´s why I ask you the question about drug law, explain that I know a little about US drug law because we don´t have any debate thread over drug law except few marijuana threads over legal vs illegal. That´s why I am interesting to learn more about US drug law when it´s not just marijuana, it would lead me easy to answer anything what I know and why I agree or disagree.

Exactly, it´s very important to focus on treatment for addiction, not put them jail.

Like what I told you before that Gun Control law should be tighten to prevent to lead criminals including drug dealers/addicts easy to buy or steal like you can buy or steal the foods from supermarket.

It explains itself why it is too easy for people to buy guns and drugs.

The Brady Campaign on guns, foreign policy: Weak U.S. Gun Laws Fueling Violence in Mexico
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Mrs Bucket said:
Bingo.

This is why socialism will always work. A socialist system works better and you'd have a much less crime rate.
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Not always, you forgot about Venezuela, their government is toward to socialist system but murder rate is very higher, far worse than US.
 
Foxrac said:
Remember, most gun laws are up to state instead of federal, each state can adopt strict or loosen the gun control.

Murder rate, including firearm related is declining during Bush admin and murder rate is low as in 1960s and Clinton's gun law that has driven murder up in 2001-2002 when US was in recession, Bush hasn't change it until after 2003.

Our society is different from Europe, hear of hip hop and they are popular in US and very aggressive since they use firearm.
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Honestly no, the murder rate was reduced during Clinton era - thanks to Bradley Bill accord Jillio´s links, after that gain violence since Bush loose the Gun Control law.

Daily Kos: Murder in America: 100,000 murdered since 2001

To my opinion, Federal Government should be responsible for Gun Control to the whole USA.
 
shel90 said:
So your solution to reducing the gun-related statistic would be is to have people carry guns with them at all times?
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again. it's an option that you are free to choose. Mind you - majority of CCW holders do not carry guns with them at all times. When you live in a community where it's legal to carry one, it's a mind game.... really.

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Foxrac said:
You are forgot about Venezuela, their government is toward to socialist system but murder rate is very higher, far worse than US.
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Oh! no wonder, i have never forget how my friends and i got lost somehwere in there. There were tons of guys with huge guns coming to us TWICE that same night in the different hours but different people. I will never come back to venzulea again. :shock:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Honestly no, the murder rate was reduced during Clinton era - thanks to Bradley Bill accord Jillio´s links, after that gain violence since Bush loose the Gun Control law.

Daily Kos: Murder in America: 100,000 murdered since 2001

To my opinion, Federal Government should be responsible for Gun Control to the whole USA.
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No, that's incorrect and Bush hasn't change the gun policies and gun policies are still under Clinton admin in 2001.

USA is in RECESSION due dot-com bust and 9/11, it has nothing with Bush.

Murder rate is continue to dropping during Bush admin after 2003 or so when economy were recovered from 2001 recession.

Blog isn't reliable source, I already provide a link in my post, go look around.
 
shel90 said:
Even if law abiding citizens have guns in their houses, there is no guarantee of protection cuz criminals have the advantage of having the element of surprise. The problem lies with nobody knowing when and where the criminals will attack.
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Better than none, right? That's why it's a free choice. You are free to choose to arm yourself or not. If you prefer a baseball bat or a purse filled with a brick, that's fine! For those who wish to arm themselves - I frequently URGE those to be well-trained and well-informed. Self-defense laws and CCW laws are pretty strict about this. Majority of states that issue CCW require those to take classes and all. That's why they are usually better trained than police officers. I've driven 2 hours to Pennsylvania to take self-defense course taught by a person who is a board-certified clinical psychologist and firearm instructor. I've participated in marksmanship competitions and I go to firing range regularly. They strictly discouraged John Wayne behavior.

shel90 said:
Do u suggest law-abiding citizens pull out their firearms and start shooting at a criminal as soon as they see a crime being committed?
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I cannot answer your question because each state has different laws on that issue. However - people with CCW.... their classes and trainings have CLEARLY and REPEATEDLY stated that they should NOT get involved in any armed matters. They can ONLY use their guns if their lives are in dire danger. If somebody's live is in danger - oh well...... that's what cops are for, right?
 
Foxrac said:
Not always, you forgot about Venezuela, their government is toward to socialist system but murder rate is very higher, far worse than US.
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Venezuela does not have a solid socialist government because it is half socialist and communist government. Chavez has been in and out corrupting the government.

Safe to say, Venezuela has a long ways to go with socialism.
 
jillio said:
Checked out some of the crimes being committed in the military? I don't think that is a viable solution.
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so do you have any viable solution or any constructive suggestion at all? This thread is about gun control laws.... not numbers.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Oh! no wonder, i have never forget how my friends and i got lost somehwere in there. There were tons of guys with huge guns coming to us TWICE that same night in the different hours but different people. I will never come back to venzulea again. :shock:
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Yup, Chavez is very crazy leader and there's tons of protest on street.

I wouldn't want go to Venezuela and it's not safer as in 90's, before Chavez came in.
 
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I think we can come to agreement on gun control law. Can you give me some examples of your idea on gun control law to fix the illegal gun issue?

any suggestion? idea? solution? anybody????
 
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