why not aspire to speak?

deafskeptic said:
:gpost: Phonics has never been my forte in English. I have no idea how to pronounce many of the words I know.

One hearing person thought I didn't know anything about fashion because I thought the name Chanel was pronounced like you would pronounce channel. :roll: Granted, I am not extremely knowledge about it.
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really? Chanel is not pronounced as Channel? :roll:

I hate English :mad2:
 
jazzy said:
AGB failed me, It is wrong for them to speak about us who (left behind) and I did not get an award for trying and failed. See how my write skill well? I hope rest of children with CI ended up alike me so to prove AGB failed deaf people over again and again. I am so fed up with many parents and expect them alike those stuck up deaf oralists who are against ASL and be successful. Well guess what I know many deaf oralists collect SSI.
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same thing to me too. I grew up without ASL. I am profound deaf (once thought I was severe Hard of hearing, until I found out the truth) with who grew up wearing hearing aids since I was 3 years old and wore FM in the public mainstreamed school all my elementary school. I attended public school preschool - 12th. I don't stand a chance to be on the same writing and spoken level as a hearing person. Why? well because I didn't have any visual tools to learn. Imagine everything you learn is done by spoken language, but you can understand every other words (or none at all) ... can you learn write well with that type of enviroment/education ??
 
shel90 said:
Not only that..there are thousands, if not millions of hearing people who are illiterate.
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And look at what happens to them - they don't have many opportunities as they would if they could speak, write and read well.

More education, more opportunities. More abilities, more opportunities. It's just the way it is. Always have, still is, and always will.
 
netrox said:
And look at what happens to them - they don't have many opportunities as they would if they could speak, write and read well.

More education, more opportunities. More abilities, more opportunities. It's just the way it is. Always have, still is, and always will.
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Really? My dad doesnt read nor write well but yet, he was a business owner with a business that was worth millions once. Too bad it folded when the economy went south but that's another topic. The point is people dont need to speak well to be able to write nor read well. My dad spoke well but his writing is very very crappy. I learned that when the Internet became popular by being able to chat with him on aim and I was like WTF?!!!

Does that make it ok to oppress people who cant help it if they cant develop oral skills BUT have good literate skills?
 
netrox said:
And look at what happens to them - they don't have many opportunities as they would if they could speak, write and read well.

More education, more opportunities. More abilities, more opportunities. It's just the way it is. Always have, still is, and always will.
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Yes...

I'm going to assume that you've already read through all of the responses in this thread. I'm also going to assume that you comprehended what you read.

Therefore, elaborate on what you mean by "More education, more opportunities. More abilities, more opportunities."
 
my dad is illiterate himself (he is a high school dropout), but he loves his job as a mechanic.
 
Most business people rely on math! $$ not English skills!!

Know a person that is highly sucessful because he knew 2+2=4. Ended up with millions! He now owns several businesses.

This person is old school! Raised in a poor family had to quit school in third grade to help feed the family by picking crops.

I currently look up to him.

Deaf or hearing! Many people lack the English language.
 
I agree. I would never join them or give them my money, but I will use their expertise to help my child.
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GOOD!!!!! Even though they accept Sign, they are still VERY audist. I think they reluctantly accept Sign b/c if they didn't, they would lose a large chunk of their membership. It's actually very common to see kids who picked up ASL with 'terps at their conferences.
Hands and Voices is a great organization.....
 
shel90 said:
Really? My dad doesnt read nor write well but yet, he was a business owner with a business that was worth millions once. Too bad it folded when the economy went south but that's another topic.
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This reminds me of a book called Rich Dad, Poor Dad. In the book the "rich dad" had to drop out of school and take over his family business when he was twelve. He never got to graduate from high school. Yet he was one of the wealthiest men in Hawaii. "Poor dad" is what we call "successful". He was the Superintendent of Education over all the schools in Hawaii. He made lots of money and had nice benefits since he was considered to be a government employee. Yet he never was able to rise above his expenses. His bills ate up his money.

Rich Dad Poor Dad was written by a hearing man. Yet he shows that opportunity and "education" in the sense that is implied in the statement "more education, more opportunities" is a fading myth.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
my dad is illiterate himself (he is a high school dropout), but he loves his job as a mechanic.
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aahh... yea just like my motorcycle mechanic. I don't know what his education background is but I think he's just a high school grad. He's around late 40's now. His written English is kinda hard to read cuz we txt/email. He knows I'm deaf and he does his best to make sure I understand him clearly verbally. He's a very very very fine mechanic and I consider him as my friend. Couple of his clients were referred by me to help generate profits for him.
 
Tujae said:
This reminds me of a book called Rich Dad, Poor Dad. In the book the "rich dad" had to drop out of school and take over his family business when he was twelve. He never got to graduate from high school. Yet he was one of the wealthiest men in Hawaii. "Poor dad" is what we call "successful". He was the Superintendent of Education over all the schools in Hawaii. He made lots of money and had nice benefits since he was considered to be a government employee. Yet he never was able to rise above his expenses. His bills ate up his money.

Rich Dad Poor Dad was written by a hearing man. Yet he shows that opportunity and "education" in the sense that is implied in the statement "more education, more opportunities" is a fading myth.
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I am a higly educated woman with two college degrees and I am broke big time. I know what you mean!
 
Tujae said:
This reminds me of a book called Rich Dad, Poor Dad. In the book the "rich dad" had to drop out of school and take over his family business when he was twelve. He never got to graduate from high school. Yet he was one of the wealthiest men in Hawaii. "Poor dad" is what we call "successful". He was the Superintendent of Education over all the schools in Hawaii. He made lots of money and had nice benefits since he was considered to be a government employee. Yet he never was able to rise above his expenses. His bills ate up his money.

Rich Dad Poor Dad was written by a hearing man. Yet he shows that opportunity and "education" in the sense that is implied in the statement "more education, more opportunities" is a fading myth.
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actually - I think the "Poor Dad" lived above his means. He did not use his money wisely. It's his own incompetence that led to him being broke.

More Education DOES mean More Opportunities but even a highly-educated man does not know how to use the money wisely. That's why that "Rich Dad" was financially successful. He learned how to manage the money. I doubt that Poor Dad knows the secret of money/investment/tax as good as the Rich Dad.
 
In regards of this thread.

I do not agree with a deaf person being denied to speak or to learn English.

But I would never deny them of learning ASL. A mode of communication.

Many deaf people are looked up to for being able to speak. Some even play music... Yet they are overlooked.
 
deafdyke said:
GOOD!!!!! Even though they accept Sign, they are still VERY audist. I think they reluctantly accept Sign b/c if they didn't, they would lose a large chunk of their membership. It's actually very common to see kids who picked up ASL with 'terps at their conferences.
Hands and Voices is a great organization.....
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of course they would, why else more money going to them instead of DBC?
 
Babyblue said:
In regards of this thread.

I do not agree with a deaf person being denied to speak or to learn English.

But I would never deny them of learning ASL. A mode of communication.

Many deaf people are looked up to for being able to speak. Some even play music... Yet they are overlooked.
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Many deaf people are overlooked for being able to speak? What do you mean?
 
shel90 said:
Really? My dad doesnt read nor write well but yet, he was a business owner with a business that was worth millions once. Too bad it folded when the economy went south but that's another topic. The point is people dont need to speak well to be able to write nor read well. My dad spoke well but his writing is very very crappy. I learned that when the Internet became popular by being able to chat with him on aim and I was like WTF?!!!

Does that make it ok to oppress people who cant help it if they cant develop oral skills BUT have good literate skills?
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First, your father's success as a business owner despite being illiterate does NOT negate the empirical evidence whatsoever. A personal experience does not make it true for the majority. My own experience means nothing as well.

Second, it's NOT oppression if you don't perform to their requirements. If you cannot do the job that they ask of you then you're not for that job. I don't give a damn if you are good with other things, if you just don't have the ability to do all those required tasks, then you are not for that job. It's like a Mexican complaining about oppression when he cannot speak English when being interviewed for a job that requires English!
 
netrox said:
First, your father's success as a business owner despite being illiterate does NOT negate the empirical evidence whatsoever. A personal experience does not make it true for the majority. My own experience means nothing as well.

Second, it's NOT oppression if you don't perform to their requirements. If you cannot do the job that they ask of you then you're not for that job. I don't give a damn if you are good with other things, if you just don't have the ability to do all those required tasks, then you are not for that job. It's like a Mexican complaining about oppression when he cannot speak English when being interviewed for a job that requires English!
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Ok then so it is the deaf person's fault for not being able to hear on the phone and not being able to develop oral skills?

Technology is available nowadays so there are ways to accodomate. You seems to hang onto the old traditional ways of communicating.
 
netrox said:
It's like a Mexican complaining about oppression when he cannot speak English when being interviewed for a job that requires English!
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what If they know how to speak English because Americans expected them to, and then they failed on speaking it fluently because it isn't their first language. All it matter they learned to speak it, right? wrong, they look for the best speaker and still ditch those who don't speak as fluently. What a waste of time to learn it if you can't get anywhere with it.
 
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