Why Is Polygamy So Controversial?

Reba said:
Please explain what you mean by "work."
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Because in anthropology, they look at it from a socio-economic viewpoint, usually tradition of polygamy occurs in societies where resources are plentiful and a wealthy husband acts as a safety net for the girls' parents. Polyandry occurs when resources are scarce and there's not enough to distribute among the people.
 
rebeccalj said:
The only reason such a large population of mormon in Utah is that they were run out of New York because people against polygamy. When mormons settled in Utah they were still practising polygamy.
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yup.. and because of that government stepped in in ny and again in utah. many were still following old ways became offshoots. now what? its kinda like cutting head off snake and it grew 2 heads. Do we continue to cut those 2 and risk growing more then 2 heads?
 
souggy said:
Yes, he did.
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Like I said, the Bible recorded the examples of polygamy but God never approved of those relationships. Every time there was an example of one of God's men taking on more wives or concubines, it turned out badly. The men were in direct disobedience to God.

Abraham and Hagar. Abraham and Sarah showed direct disobedience to God by bringing in Hagar. Sarah and Hagar's descendents have been in conflict ever since.

David and Bathsheba. Their baby died. David's kingdom was split.

The children of Jacob, Leah, and Rachel were full of jealousy, conniving, and strife, culminating in their attack on Joseph.

From the beginnings of Genesis thru the end of the Revelation, the Bible describes God's marriage plan as one man and one woman, the Bridegroom and the Bride.
 
When the authorities took the kids into custody, there was evidence of child abuse, including old injuries. I don't care how well "mannered" a person is when they hurt children. I listened to some of the testimony from the last trial. It was disturbing.
 
I think it's controversial because polygamy is associated in the West with cults, child pornography and abuse. Any of those exist in the absence of polygamy also. "Cult" is also a word with many connotations hence the issue with related to polygamy.

Polygamy as it's practiced in other countries can be reflective of the societies in those countries and I am no judge of it.
 
In the U.S., these groups operate in isolation and secrecy. In countries with legal polygamy, I don't think that's true. The isolaton and secrecy in the U.S. makes it more likely that people will be abused.
 
yeah, that's quite true about the isolation and secrecy though-
 
radioman said:
yup.. and because of that government stepped in in ny and again in utah. many were still following old ways became offshoots. now what? its kinda like cutting head off snake and it grew 2 heads. Do we continue to cut those 2 and risk growing more then 2 heads?
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And, when pressure in Utah too great, prophet of mormon church *suddenly* have *vision* that polygamy no longer good idea. :roll: It was reason for breakoff of many members who still believe in polygamy.

Convenient.

Same as black members. Not allowed until Civil Rights Movement took steam? Suddenly, prophet have another *vision* that black can now be baptized. I was 7 at the time and remember first black member in our church get baptized.
 
LDNanna said:
First, I discount wiki.
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Wiki is only as good as the people who know about the article and who decide to contribute to writing and editing it -- so fair enough.

However, my post referred to the resources at the end of the wiki article, not the article itself.



Second, I was only speaking of the local fellas. I cannot possibly know about all the various groups.

Lastly, thanks for the links. Interesting albeit a bit old.
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Nature of newspaper and magazine articles -- the stories are usually only written when the topic is "hot."

BTW, do these pics remind you of being in an eternal episode of Little House on the Prairie or what??

YFZ Ranch: a year later : San Angelo Photo Galleries : Standard-Times: Local San Angelo, Texas News Delivered Throughout the Day.

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I just think the whole thing is really sad.


sallylou said:
When the authorities took the kids into custody, there was evidence of child abuse, including old injuries. I don't care how well "mannered" a person is when they hurt children. I listened to some of the testimony from the last trial. It was disturbing.
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Anyway, if I want to check up on what Wiki, Rick Ross and AD's own Sally Lou says, they each offered sources that I can refer to and follow up with. Ross and Sally Lou even offer original sources, e.g. I could probably find a way to get access to the trial's transcripts.

Not to put you on the spot, but frankly you haven't done the same. We can't always rely on our impressions or on a very small sample (the two or so families you spoke to personally) to get the actual facts It's the least reliable form of evidence.

As a society we make decisions through laws, etc on how we can treat each other including where family discipline ends and child abuse start. We can't do this fairly unless we have good quality of information to work with.

So for example, if I am trying to decide whether to invite a new family to the neighborhood barbecue -- its OK for me to go by my impressions of them that I got the other day at the grocery store. If I'm on a jury trying to decide if they are guilty of a crime, or if I'm a lawmaker trying to decide if I should vote to revise family laws and allow for polygamy -- I need a lot more information and evidence before I cast my vote.

I occasionally go off on a mini-rant about the importance of citations, sources, etc. as its one of the issues I care strongly about. /end mini-rant
 
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sallylou said:
In the U.S., these groups operate in isolation and secrecy. In countries with legal polygamy, I don't think that's true. The isolaton and secrecy in the U.S. makes it more likely that people will be abused.
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I gotta say- I agree with you on this...

rebeccalj said:
And, when pressure in Utah too great, prophet of mormon church *suddenly* have *vision* that polygamy no longer good idea. :roll: It was reason for breakoff of many members who still believe in polygamy.

Convenient.

Same as black members. Not allowed until Civil Rights Movement took steam? Suddenly, prophet have another *vision* that black can now be baptized. I was 7 at the time and remember first black member in our church get baptized.
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very convenient. makes you wonder what else are they hiding or we dont know yet?
its kind of like you are normally a grump around your peers and you smile all day for no reason.. it sure makes people wonder.
 
sallylou said:
In the U.S., these groups operate in isolation and secrecy. In countries with legal polygamy, I don't think that's true. The isolaton and secrecy in the U.S. makes it more likely that people will be abused.
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Are you saying that if the polygamous groups were publicly accepted, they wouldn't continue forcibly making "brides" out of little girls?
 
No, I'm saying that the vitcims in the compounds have no where to turn. That's why I think that they should be busted.
 
I don't know about other polygamist leaders but Warren Jeffs takes the cake. In addition to raping little girls:

"It appears the religious leader's sexual hunger has not abated behind bars.

One of his former prison guards, Rick Bradley, said the child molester, who used to preach to his congregants about abstaining from the act, masturbated continuously while in custody.

The officer, who serves at the county jail where Jeffs was held awaiting trial, said he would pleasure himself about 15 times a day in full view of the jailers."

Read more: Warren Jeffs moved to solitary cell to serve life sentence for child rapes in Texas | Mail Online
 
Reba said:
Are you saying that if the polygamous groups were publicly accepted, they wouldn't continue forcibly making "brides" out of little girls?
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Maybe people that are for polygamous groups are the one that put out the nursing baby that come with fake nipples for girl to 'nurse' their babies. Next little girls will be able to pretend to give birth to their 'babies'!
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Maybe people that are for polygamous groups are the one that put out the nursing baby that come with fake nipples for girl to 'nurse' their babies. Next little girls will be able to pretend to give birth to their 'babies'!
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I don't see any connection there.
 
Reba, I was clips of that trial. It was so disturbing that I stopped watching any of it. The whole trial was bizzare.
 
This thread shows the logic against anything. Protect the children.

This argument is used against the legalization of marijuana for ADULTS.
 
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