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My Apologies I was refferring to when CI's were first introduced to the market place.
for the explanation C-NICE. No problem!
My Apologies I was refferring to when CI's were first introduced to the market place.
I have given this some thought & do not want to rile anyone(just my feeling on the issue). The root of the problem as I see it is how CI's were presented from the start(probably maketing by CI makers). They were presented as a cure, we all know that in some cases they are very helpful but they are not a cure. Also if you present something as a cure you implie a defect.
The medical and speech pathology community are just as responsible for the issues with their lack of respect for ASL and Deaf signers. The Deaf community is not solely responsible...both communities are responsible. Did we forget AGBell?
Nobody is perfect but not one community is fully responsible for all the problems.
Not sure whether you just have an agenda to push or you just are too confused to understand the issues being discussed. My post is addressing the opinion of another that marketing of cis at the beginning was the "root of the problem".
I am responding with both personal experiences as well as the experiences of those who I personally know. I think a pretty fair reading of my post makes it clear that I am not talking about the entire Deaf community but one segment of it, which although a minority, had a powerful voice and role in the cochlear implant debate.
Why you choose to bring both the medical and speech pathology communities and of course, your obligatory bizarre reference to AGBell, into the issue of this "root of the problem" discussion demonstrates your continued inability to grasp the issues being discussed. I guess next we will all be treated to your yet again reference to your growing up.
Please explain to us how AGBell caused the NAD to offer for a sale a poster of a young girl with her head split open to show the internal components of her ci with a solitary tear running down her cheek under the caption of "Cochlear Implant, Not My Choice?"
What is your justification for those in the Deaf community who called my wife and I and other parents that we know "Nazis" and "child abusers"?
I know the scenario too well by now that you and your little cabal will now high jack this discussion into gang bash of AGBell and the medical community because it is what you do whenever the discussion does not flow the way you want it to.
You can outpost me all you want, I have a life to live, and not hours to spend here but the fact remains from one who lived through the issues at the heart of S&F that there was no marketing of the cochlear implant as a cure and no justification for the venom and hate that came from again, that small but influential segment of the Deaf community.
Not sure whether you just have an agenda to push or you just are too confused to understand the issues being discussed. My post is addressing the opinion of another that marketing of cis at the beginning was the "root of the problem".
I am responding with both personal experiences as well as the experiences of those who I personally know. I think a pretty fair reading of my post makes it clear that I am not talking about the entire Deaf community but one segment of it, which although a minority, had a powerful voice and role in the cochlear implant debate.
Why you choose to bring both the medical and speech pathology communities and of course, your obligatory bizarre reference to AGBell, into the issue of this "root of the problem" discussion demonstrates your continued inability to grasp the issues being discussed. I guess next we will all be treated to your yet again reference to your growing up.
The fact that you fail to see the connection is evidence of tunnel vision. And shel is as entitled to share her experiences as a deaf child growing up as you are to share your experience of being the parent of a CI implanted child. Objection to those experiences of deaf individuals is simply more evidence of your tunnel vision and disrespect for the deaf.
Please explain to us how AGBell caused the NAD to offer for a sale a poster of a young girl with her head split open to show the internal components of her ci with a solitary tear running down her cheek under the caption of "Cochlear Implant, Not My Choice?"
What is your justification for those in the Deaf community who called my wife and I and other parents that we know "Nazis" and "child abusers"?
My, but your bitterness is showing. Just can't let go of it, can you?
I know the scenario too well by now that you and your little cabal will now high jack this discussion into gang bash of AGBell and the medical community because it is what you do whenever the discussion does not flow the way you want it to.
Pot calling the kettle black, as is evidenced by this post.
You can outpost me all you want, I have a life to live, and not hours to spend here but the fact remains from one who lived through the issues at the heart of S&F that there was no marketing of the cochlear implant as a cure and no justification for the venom and hate that came from again, that small but influential segment of the Deaf community.
Please...go live your life.
rick48: You may have a deaf child, but you haven't got a damn clue about what it means to be Deaf/HoH and live in a hearing world. That much is blatantly obvious.
Geez again. :roll:
As usual the Pavlovian response, I have a life to live but apparently yours involves responding to virtually every one of my posts.
"And shel is as entitled to share her experiences as a deaf child growing up as you are to share your experience of being the parent of a CI implanted child."
Not questioning her right to share her experiences ad nauseum but rather the relevance of the experiences of a non-implanted person who was a child in the pre-implant era to a discussion in a cochlear implant forum and in particular whether marketing of the implant was the "root of the problem". Try and stay with us, if you can.
"more evidence of your tunnel vision and disrespect for the deaf."
And of course the obligatory cheap shot and insult. What you do not get is that the fact that I have no respect for you and shel has nothing to do with your ability to hear but rather how you treat those you do not subscribe to your narrow-minded agenda.
What is your justification for those in the Deaf community who called my wife and I and other parents that we know "Nazis" and "child abusers"?
"My, but your bitterness is showing. Just can't let go of it, can you?"
Interesting comment from a woman who still foams at the mouth about an individual, Alexander Graham Bell, who has been dead for almost 100 years! That you can find no fault with those who have spewed hateful and offensive comments at parents of cochlear implanted children and their children but rather you direct your invectives at the parents themselves tells us all we need to know about you and where your sympathies lie. Does the behavior I described of those who insulted and continue to insult cochlear implant parents and their children strike too close to home? Perhaps a nerve has been struck?
What is the over/under for your Pavlovian response?
Thank you for you insightful and in depth analysis. Where were you when we first found out our daughter was deaf? You would have been so helpful to us in our raising of our child. Our cluelessness resulted in a raising a child who is a college graduate, dean's list student on her way to graduate school but more importantly is a happy, well adjusted young women with a loving supportive family and large circle of hearing and deaf friends. Oh where did we go wrong and too bad we did not have the benefit of your oh so helpful analysis.
Have a good day and better luck next time with the armchair analysis.
Rick
You might want to check what a Pavlovian response is. Your contextual use is incorrect. Especially given the way you respond to any suggestion that children with hearing loss, implanted or not, are unable to access 100% of the auditory information in their environments, and to do so, need visual access.:roll:
I'd say, then, as now, people responded not so much to your daughter's implant, but to your off putting attitude. People continue to respond to such, and your daughter isn't part of the equation. The common variable is your nastiness and your attitude of superiority toward the deaf, most especialy deaf that disagree with your A.G. Bell oral only stance.
How long ago did your so called rejection from the Deaf community occur, rick? Twenty years ago? Let go of it. Obviously, it is something you need to deal with, because you have been taking it out on Deaf that had absolutely nothing to do with it for over 20 years now. Obviously, you are still attempting to find that acceptance you were denied over 20 years ago. Unfortunately, you are going about it the wrong way.
Its mutual. The respect level for you isn't exactly high around here, either. Yet you continue to return, again and again and again, just to insult and attempt to bully. Definately something pathological going on there in that behavior.
This is a deaf message board. This is where the deaf share their experiences and connect with each other. This is where people come to attempt to gain an understanding of that deaf experience. Therefore, any deaf that chooses to share their experience, no matter how oft repeated, is entitled to do, and that sharing is appreciated my many. If you are tired of reading it, there is a simple soulution. Don't visit here.
You continually tell us how your life is so full and rich and busy and rewarding...all without the deaf/Deaf community. You continually tell us that you don't have the time or the inclination to deal with us inferiors. Again, go live that life. Evidently that life is missing something that you still want, and are still being denied...acceptance from the Deaf community. At the rate you are going, that acceptance will be a long time coming.
AD is really the only place I can truly express how I feel about the views that I disagree with. It is like a safe haven for me and it should be for everyone else who comes in here.
And it should be a safe haven for any deaf that chooses to be here. It is unbelievably self serving for any hearing person to attempt to take that safe haven away.
And it should be a safe haven for any deaf that chooses to be here. It is unbelievably self serving for any hearing person to attempt to take that safe haven away.
Only if nobody puts others down. We all have different views.
I dont like the ideology behind the AGBell Association and the views the medical community has on ASL and Deaf culture. They havent done anything positive for me and for many others unless we conform to their mold. If anyone has a problem with diversity, it is those organizations who hold these views against ASL.
Only if nobody puts others down. We all have different views.
I dont like the ideology behind the AGBell Association and the views the medical community has on ASL and Deaf culture. They havent done anything positive for me and for many others unless we conform to their mold. If anyone has a problem with diversity, it is those organizations who hold these views against ASL.