Neither Male Nor Female: Oregon Resident Legally Recognized As Third Gender

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An Oregon judge has allowed a 52-year-old retired Army tank mechanic to change gender identity. Not from male to female, or vice versa. But to a new, third gender.

Jamie Shupe is now legally non-binary — widely believed to be a first for the United States.

Oregon joins several countries in recognizing a third gender. In 2014, India became the largest country in the world to have an official third option, following in the footsteps of Pakistan, Australia and Germany.


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Shupe was born male, got married and had a child.

"I was in a deep, dark depression because I had boxed myself into this male identity thatthat I couldn't stand anymore," Shupe says.


Three years ago, Shupe decided enough is enough.

"I told family members, we either let me out of this box or I'm shooting myself in the head. Things really got that bad," Shupe recalls.

Shupe is no longer legally male or female and prefers the pronoun "they."

So they left the military, moved into a cabin near Deep Creek Lake, Md., transitioned by taking hormones and grew breasts.

But Shupe still didn't feel fully female.

"Nobody can accept this thing ... 'you can't be female and have a penis,' " Shupe says. "That just makes people's heads explode. And that was another reason why I wanted out of this female classification because I have no intention of removing my genitals."

Three years ago, Shupe and their wife of 29 years, Sandy, moved to Portland, Ore.

The transition and the gender changes have been tough, Sandy says, but they still love each other.

"What if your spouse was in an accident and they were totally, they were, like disfigured? Would you still not love that person, just because of what they look like on the outside?" Sandy Shupe says. "That's my take on it. Jamie's still the same."

Sandy says her spouse is more pleasant to be around now, especially since they moved west.

Jamie Shupe tears up with gratitude when talking about the move.

"All you have to do is go on the Human Rights Campaign website and look up transgender and LGBT protection laws and the West Coast just lights up the map for protections," Shupe says.

But that didn't stop them from pushing for more.

A few months ago, Shupe applied to the Oregon Department of Motor Vehicles to be listed as non-binary. The agency refused, so they asked a Multnomah County judge for the new gender designation, and won.

As of now, the state isn't fighting the decision, says DMV spokesman David House. Instead, he says, the agency is looking into how to comply.

"We expect there would be a computer system change required, probably form changes. Also it's very likely that it would require some legislative and administrative rule changes," House says.

He expects that in a few months, Oregon driver's license applications will have new gender designations, in addition to male and female.

"Is it a third box? Or will it require multiple boxes?" House says. "We just don't know the answer to those questions; we're going to need to study that ."

But just having this change is a move in the right direction, says Nancy Haque, co-executive director of Basic Rights Oregon, an LGBTQ advocacy group. She says while there are 50 ways to identify gender on Facebook, a third box is probably enough for now.

"I don't think anybody's asking the DMV or any other big institution to have 50 boxes," Haque says.

Jamie Shupe doesn't care whether there are 50 boxes or three; they say they're just thrilled to have broken such a long-standing, monolithic barrier.

"Most of the excitement is feeling the freedom of being set free of this classification system that I do not agree with," Shupe says.

Having a third gender on an Oregon driver's license is one thing. But people still have to choose male or female when booking a flight and when applying for a passport or health insurance.


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Jamie Shupe, 52, was born male, married a woman and had a child. But Shupe felt neither male nor fully female. Now, an Oregon judge has allowed Shupe to identify as non-binary, believed to be a first in the United States.

http://www.npr.org/2016/06/17/48248...n-resident-legally-recognized-as-third-gender
 
that certainly isnt the same person....in the pics...
unless hes been overdosing on tanning pills...or something...
 
Just what we need.

Not.

Why does society have to cater to everyone's whim of feeling?

I refuse to refer to an individual as "they."
 
that certainly isnt the same person....in the pics...
unless hes been overdosing on tanning pills...or something...

Think the first pix is a transgender from India...giving some insight about Transgenders over there...the 2nd pix is of this man/woman or "some other"...LOL
 
Think the first pix is a transgender from India...giving some insight about Transgenders over there...the 2nd pix is of this man/woman or "some other"...LOL
I think you're right.

Although, in addition to self-identifying gender, there are people who self-identify their race, and self-identify their species, so what's next?
 
as for race people should be able to identify with what they want
its their life..

if they look in the mirror and see a skinny person even though they are not..
whats it to me?

their eyes.

same goes with race..

(i know thats a sacred cow)
but it shouldn't be..

the girl from last year re the black lives matter ect ect..
she was a quarter black or whatever saw herself as black and was closely nearly lynched...

so
 
. . .

the girl from last year re the black lives matter ect ect..
she was a quarter black or whatever saw herself as black and was closely nearly lynched...

so
I was referring to the woman who was 0% black but presented herself as such.
 
^Who hasn't stretched the truth a little to get a job? :D
 
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So when ask what gender they're on medical form etc what would the person check off? Does this mean there will be a third gender to check off in the future?
 
So when ask what gender they're on medical form etc what would the person check off? Does this mean there will be a third gender to check off in the future?

Did you actually read the article?....It states:

Having a third gender on an Oregon driver's license is one thing. But people still have to choose male or female when booking a flight and when applying for a passport or health insurance.
 
I was referring to the woman who was 0% black but presented herself as such.

alright
and?

she lived a sbalck women among blacks was accepted as black among them, went to black universities so on so forth.

im not entirely against blood based arguments re race.
but if we make blood the defining feature then we cant much bitch when the whites, do, and do it better.

you know a return to the real old days of when that actually meant something...and all that entails.

it cuts both ways in my eyes


if she sees herself as black so be it.

the issue really is if the community she identifies with accepts that. if they do then the issue is doen really


its the same position for trans or anyone.
 
Then, there are hearies who self-identify as deafies.

Bottom line is, people can fantasize that they are a different gender, different race, different species, hearing or deaf, whatever--it doesn't change reality.

Whatever happened to learning to deal with reality? Why are we creating legal ways to accommodate personal fantasies? Why do we have to play along with them?
 
Then, there are hearies who self-identify as deafies.

Bottom line is, people can fantasize that they are a different gender, different race, different species, hearing or deaf, whatever--it doesn't change reality.

Whatever happened to learning to deal with reality? Why are we creating legal ways to accommodate personal fantasies? Why do we have to play along with them?

that is correct
we have herie coda in our culture who we have accepted as in our culture.
we also have hearies who state they are one of us, but that we do not accept
it is up to us to accept them or not

being deaf adiologicly as you know isnt our measure. it sone but not the only nor even the most important.
same goes for anyone...

peopls personal fantasies are rather important and very real..

fantasies drive people...
whether those fantasies are of a god, godess, (im no atheist im a buddhist), or the person being a different gender or a different race or whatever.....whatever
personal fantasies are very potent movers in the world.

when it comes down to accommodation if it costs us nothing whats the issue?

sure i have a fiend that things hes ganghis khan
cool
so?
as long as he doesnt start raping my dog, or worse as ganghis would have it should be no bother...
after all i see dead people
 
What we "think" and what we "are" are 2 different things....Let's get real here.
 
What we "think" and what we "are" are 2 different things....Let's get real here.

to a point..

but what people think drives them.

everything is constructed..
what counts is whats in your mind....

when you state what we "think and what we "are"
what actually are you stating.

what are you?
 
I'm a female, born a female...so therefore I am a female. Never had fantasies of being or becoming a male or a non-binary, non female or non female...I'm also a realist....
 
Yay Oregon! I love my state. I can be what ever I want! I am a women (both gender and sex wise) But I really want to pee standing, how great would that be. I need a gogo or what ever those women funnels are called. Always I think it is great we can be male, female, or non of the above. I have a lot of people I know that are neither and I know a lot of people who are both. It personally doesn't matter to me. As long as we are all homo sapien sapiens. Now if someone wants to be Didelphimorphia we have a problem hahahahaha
 
I'm a female, born a female...so therefore I am a female. Never had fantasies of being or becoming a male or a non-binary, non female or non female...I'm also a realist....

that doesn't answer the question..
and you know it.

besides being ideologically framed.
what do mean to state by realist?
are you claiming you know what ever other human being is regardless on what they may state to you?

how have you come by this knowledge?
 
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