If your talking about my post then you misread it so read it again carefully please becasue you are way off base there.
When I read this topic and it is pointless. Right now, the analog is going away and say bye bye because the TTY do run on analog until digital is taking over the line. However, the tty still depend on analog for example, it won't work on VoIP because it is digital. So far, the TTY company already stop making that tty while small company still make that TTY.
I never talked about old analog or tty in my post.
I talked about the cost of VP and who really own VP. YOU? or SVR? because the poster earlier said that SVR installer told them that it can be taken away if they don't use it to make SVR relay calls.
I know analog is the things of the past and if you read my other post you will know that I am very up to dated on my commucitions needs and even have my own ip relay phone number so hearing people can call me and contact me quickly without explaining to them about relay services thur ip text or vp or wireless.
In the future, if you don't want videophone. What is your purpose? You don't like interpreter see you then that mean you don't want another person see you too? How is that different beside, the interpreter is make food at their table plate for children.
I like my VP and I enjoy it and always use to chat with all my deaf buddies on it.
But SVR doesn't want you to get a VP solely for chatting with your deaf buddies becasue SVR need you to call thier relay services so they can bill the goverment for the cost per minutes you use SVR relay service **TO PAY** for your VP-100/200 hardware and installer payroll.
I use SVR relay whenever I can but sometime text relay like IP relay are much faster becasue during the daytime there is a waiting time for an interpeter and wait and wait finally interpeter relay show up I would already done with my phone call by using text relay.
Like I explained in my post about my deaf buddy, he is strong ASL deaf and he does not need to make relay calls or need to call hearing people. His families all hearing but they chat each other on internet chat or page on AIM etc and talk to all his deaf buddies on internet chat too until we pest him get one VP-100 and he said naw he don't need calling hearing people or he have reason to call hearing people and we told him no no he can call other deaf people VP too! He think oh ok then he apply for VP-100 then finally got one install in his home. He like his VP but he still do not use it for relay becasue he have no need to call hearing but he like VP for call his deaf buddies then SVR told installer go visit his home check why he not using VP-100 to call SVR relay. SVR told installer go train him how to use SVR relay on VP-100 becasue they thought he don't know how to use VP-100 due he never called SVR for relay needs.
Now you understand what I am saying? SVR want my buddy to make relay calls but my buddy do not have reason to call hearing people. He live in small town so he drive to doctor office make appts or drive to store and discuss prices etc or drive to visit his families live in same town. He like VP-100 for chatting deaf buddies but SVR was picky about it so obvious they need him to use thier relay service so they can get MONEY! .. $$$$$$$ for to cover cost of VP-100 and cover cost of installer and cover cost of server and programmer etc Millions of dollars!!!! .. Who pay for it? Goverment yes but how do they bill the Goverment?? by charging per minute on relay service!!!
Person who started this post said SVR threaten to take away VP-100 if they don't show installer that they know how to use VP relay in front of him and my whole point in my post is who is the ownership of VP? YOU? SVR?
Do they have the right to take it away? To me ownership is still QUESTIONABLE!
Or maybe installer is full of BS making threats!
If one of us prefer not need interpreter and think that TTY is good enough. It is out of question that interpreter cannot able stay work at VRS and look for another. Beside, the Sorenson VRS got 13 million minutes per month. It is pretty high and that FCC paid for those for 5 dollar per minutes mean worth 65 millions dollar a month for average annual is 780 million dollars! Of course, it will raise in future.
I have not use TTY for a very long time and last time I use TTY maybe is about 10 years ago. I been using internet relay for all my relay service becasue TTY will cost long distance and internet relay is FREE charge to anywhere in world.
I do not even have a phone line at home. Just cable and internet service all I have at home.
If Sorenson make that much money per months then they would not ask the installer to go check up on people who not using VP-100 to make relay calls or be picky about it.
My buddy said that installer show up his home without check agree time and date but installer said "sorry SVR order me to go re-train you to use vp on SVR relay now so force me to come your house unexpected time."
We just have to keep remember and we should thanks to Sorenson that provide a good Videophone until there VP200 out and have great product. It will have more feature but when they are release that... The writing programmer isn't cheap because they have to test and test before they can screw up our videophone.
VP is a good product and I do like it to chat with my deaf buddies and it make it easy to commucite with them like hearing people have easy time to commuicte with thier hearing friends on phone every evenings to chat about update news or works etc and now deaf people can do the same.
Exactly! VP isn't cheap but if Goverment doesn't cover cost of hardware or installer or programmers then SVR need you to make relay calls so they can get thier money back since they gave you VP or did they give it to us? Why be picky about not using VP for a long time??? That my whole point!
So what the big deal about taking our video phone away? If we don't use TTY relay, they will lay off the relay operator. Who fault, us.. because we don't use that service.
About the sponsor, if I am owner, I would like to sponsor but not like threated as example what Intel did to Dell to remove AMD processor.
No one is forced you but who did that problem is training and they are looking for a way to scare people off which it wouldn't approve from VRS company.
Did you get VP to use for relay service or to use to chat with your deaf buddies?
I have many deaf buddies don't even have reason to call hearing people but they like VP to use to chat with thier deaf buddies becasue it easy and relaxing to chat on VP but finally installer come over and want to teach him how to use relay service???? He have no need to call hearing person. So does he deserve to keep VP or does SVR have the right to take VP away? Who is right?
If Goverment already paid for VP hardware then sure it belong to us.
About the Webcam, I rather to have videophone better than webcam, I don't have to sit front the computer and depend on the computer. I don't like IP Address as Sorenson Videophone is taking care of my ip address.
VP is much easiler to use than a webcam but with webcam I *KNOW* I own it becasue I paid for it and it cannot be taken away from me or use it as a threat againist me to use thier relay service or lose it.
My VP sits on top of my computer monitor and is plugged into my computer becasue I rather keep it out of my living room so I can enjoy my watch VP and other can chat on VP not interrupt my enjoy watching tv.
Look at hearing families and friend and lovers, what about them? I know many hearing people so bad want to buy VP even pay 300 dollar for VP so they can commuicate with thier family members but SVR doesn't want to sell them and they tell them to go Dlink or use webcam?!?! then they have to deal with IP or computer software or all those.
Before VP I been using webcam and it as good as VP even use my own phone number using SL Envision SVR software on my computer and any VP can call to my webcam computer using just phone number not IP Address
But recently someone told me SVR now disable SL Envision not able to log on server anymore to store phone number like VP becasue so you cannot use webcam with phone number anymore to call other deaf VP with phone number. You must find IP address. Why SVR change this?? They don't want hearing families use webcam to call thier deaf family using phone number method instead of ip address??
About SPY! What the different about telephone have governor record our lines. The worse part they are listen the specific word such as talking about bomb planner. The machine filter the word that will begin record. Sorenson don't do but they are checking on us which is nice.
Goverment spying have nothing to do about this thread????
One of my friend is not comfortable about contact Tech Support because they accident took Ethernet out wrong. Until one day the installer came to friend's apartment. My friend was shock and happy to know that Sorenson care to be sure that videophone is working. After all my friend is careful with Ethernet and knows that Sorenson will send someone to my friend house.
So SVR installer show up your friend house without contacting your friend first to make an appt and time and date agree?
What if your friend have a family death or passed away and they are having a wake gathering at thier house and installer knock on friend door wonder why they have not use VP for long time.
Even cable installer wouldn't come over to people house unless they have a agreed appt and time to do so.
SVR installer need thier butt kicked and learn to respect people's private time if the installer can't contact them cuz vp not working still no excuse they still can e-mail or use old fashion post office mail asking them.
Speaking about free, it nothing be free to get videophone. The make million dollar to make that happen for our future.
If you don't like that idea, why keep it? Why want send it back? Sorenson wouldn't ask unless the policy agreement say so.
Just remember that, the ip address is same idea in 1900's when they invest the telephone. They have to wait for operator to answer and give them a number to able directly to person.
It is the same thing what we are right now. It is Deaf's turn be like 2000's as 1900's... we have to deal with ip address until the phone number taken over.
Same idea the telephone that ip address take over due phone number in their service take care instead ask the operator. Sometime the phone pad not working, you will transfer to operator and the operator will ask for the phone number.
It is the same thing about Sorenson's vision to make all easier for us. Why uglies....
About HOVRS, they did good but they are turn me off. One did pick their nose front of me. One didn't follow instruction what I told and gave me the eyes roll over at me. I don't feel respect, I found is rude... HOVRS need training them like Sorenson and i711 do.
I don't know why you guy are whining about Sorenson.
They are not whining about Sorenson.
They are questioining do the installer have the right to threaten them.
Some of us rather say SCREW THIS and tell them to take it back than be threaten or bow before any companies.
Even myself I will not tolerate any person on this earth to threaten me or my family. I always respects people around me and earn thier respect back from them too.
Anyone threaten me get the boot out and they can take thier junk with them.
I think Sorenson is wonderful to provide VP to deaf commuities but why send installer back to people home and make threats to take it away?
Maybe this installer is a bad person and trying to steal thier VP and Sorenson never did order installer to threat to take thier VP.
But same with my friend installer did come his house unexpected and want to re-train him to use VP on relay service. Is that right?
Such as Sorenson screw up our videophone... Who fault, you guy point at Sorenson. They are new process and it is small while they are grow and expand fast. Someday, it will be smooth like a river.
Same thing with the internet, we have to dial dial dial the number until high speed took over, no more dial.
The next step, they are working on electric high speed mean it can cover area where the people live...
It is about technical create a good choice for Deaf community. If you don't like person see you and then why are you talking to alldeaf.com What the different...
i711 and Sorenson, I glad they do what I told...
Again this thread is not about hardware issue or hardware problem.
It's about hardware OWNERSHIP and do installer have the autorization to go to deaf people houses and ask them why they not been using relay service?? Maybe they been using another company relay service becasue it better and faster reponse than SVR eh?
