Keep your old clunker or buy a new car?

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Keep your old clunker or buy a new car?

It may clang and bang, but your despised old car may be the best bargain around. Here are the facts on keeping the bucket-o'-bolts running and knowing when it's really time to upgrade.

By Des Toups

Let’s divide the car-buying universe into two camps: those who keep a car until it drops, and those who think a new car will change their lives.

To the first, a round of applause. There’s nothing short of the bus that’s cheaper than keeping a car until it crumbles into a pile of rust. Almost any car can be nursed to 200,000 miles without endangering your life, and even a new engine is cheaper than all but the cheapest used cars.

To the second, another round of applause, because the 16 million or so new cars they buy every year instantly become used cars soon available at a considerable discount to those in Camp 1. And a moment of silence, because a new car will change their lives in ways they never foresaw on the dealer’s lot.

If you’re in a drive-until-the-muffler-is-dragging wannabe, read on. We’ll look at ways to keep your car on the road longer and realistically weigh the costs of upgrading.


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Never skimp on maintenance
Pay special attention to the things that will cost you a fortune if they break. That means regular oil changes, tire rotations and transmission tune-ups, even if the car is running fine. Timing belts, for example, are spendy at as much as $600, and replacing one for no other reason than that the odometer has turned 90,000 miles might seem wasteful. But let one break and you'll find that repairing bent valves could cost you three times that. Replacing torn CV boots, those plastic housings that keep grime and grit out of the car’s constant-velocity joints, costs about a third as much as a CV joint repair. (If your owner’s manual is long gone, MSN Autos has a free online service that tracks your car’s service schedule.)

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I’d love to keep my old car, but …
It no longer fits my life. You may have taken up gardening in a big way but still own a Corvette. You may feel nervous about taking your ’78 Ford on a trip to Colorado. Your little Accord may be a tight squeeze when family comes to town. The answer to all: Rent. Why buy a gas-sucking pickup because you visit Home Depot twice a year or a $30,000 sport-utility because you take the kids skiing for a week at Easter? Even at $100 a weekend, renting is far cheaper than a car payment. Plus you get to drive the very latest without worrying about insurance, license tags, maintenance or depreciation. Or try swapping cars with a friend, returning it gassed-up and clean (with the oil changed, too, if the loan was more than a day or two. You want to be able to ask again next year.).

Those repair bills are really adding up. Then do the math. Does the cost of repairs exceed the cost of a new car? A typical new car is $21,000, about $350 a month for five years after 20% down. A rebuilt transmission might run $1,500, a huge outlay in one chunk, but far less than the $4,200 a year you’d spend on new-car payments alone. If you can’t afford repairs twice a year, it’s unlikely you can afford a new car payment every month. In any case, anybody with a car older than three years should be tucking aside $50 a month for repairs and maintenance. If the gods smile, you’ll never use most of it and you’ll have a tidy sum to blow on your next car.

I’m nervous driving an older car. Maybe little things are beginning to go: a new thermostat one month, a starter the next. You might simply spend $50 on a AAA membership and carry a cell phone, reminding yourself that even new cars aren’t immune to mechanical failure. The upside of frequent breakdowns is that you’ll get to know mechanics quite well. Find one you like. Flatter him. Pay your bills on time. And the next time he fixes your car, ask him to take a few minutes to see what else will need repair soon.

The repair costs more than the car is worth. A $1,500 engine rebuild that keeps your ’83 Toyota on the road still makes good financial sense. It’s at this point, however, that all but the flintiest drivers begin to think about upgrading. Which brings us to our next question:

Am I ready for a newer car?
Your first step is to do nothing except write a check to yourself in the amount you’re thinking you can afford every month. Put aside a car payment every month for three months (long enough for at least one of life’s little emergencies to crop up).

To pass the time, make three phone calls: one to your bank, to find out what kind of rates they charge on loans to people with your credit history; one to your insurer, to ask the rates for comprehensive insurance on a model you think you’d like to buy; and one to your local DMV, to see what registration and licensing would cost.

At the end of three months, ask yourself these questions:
How much did it hurt? If you skimped at all on other bills or shorted the amount of the payment, you’re not ready.

Would I have enough left over to pay for insurance and licensing fees each year?

Would I pay this much every month for the car that’s in my driveway already? Sooner or later, every new car becomes an old car, and you’ll feel about the next car just the way you do about your old clunker.

Would I rather have the cash? Our typical car payment, $350, adds up to more than $1,000 in just three short months. Perhaps you’d prefer to get a tan in Mexico and limp along with ol’ Betsy another year.

Could I continue to save for another year and simply pay cash? Five grand would buy any of hundreds of reliable used models. Save for two years and you’re in new-car territory, if your old car will fetch a few thousand.
If the craving for a shinier car hasn’t passed in three months, at least you begin the shopping process with a few months’ worth of car payments and a more realistic idea of the hit your wallet will take.
 
New or used car?

Hey Y, your right all the way! The sad truth is... once you buy brand new car, say 21,000 dollars. You then drive off the dealer lot, that moment... the value of this vehicle drops to what? 18,500 dollars! Suppose an idiot driver smashed your shinny brand new car and totalized that car... Do you expect insurance company will cover full 21,000 dollars? It would be major mistake to think this way. The truth is, the insurance company will look up the Kelly's blue book and find it worth 18,500, then minus 500 dollars deductible leaving you only 18,000 dollars check to replace the car. But you lost $3,000 dollars... Is it worth it? For me, I'd rather buy good 8 to 10 years vehicle for 2 to 4 thousand dolalrs in cash. and keep it for maybe 4 years then by that time, that vehicle will fall apart to the point where it is not worth to fix it up then buy another one with cold cash! I realize this method really saves me ALOT of MONEY!!!! Much more than my friends who bought near brand new and still making payments and have to fix it anyway.
DHB
 
Yeah, true ! I want to keep my old car forever
but the problem I am so sick of these "emission inspections"
and "safety inspections" I have no problem
with my car, but both test results FAILED
which forced me to go to these repair shops EEEK!!!
Thats why I do NOT like these "inspections" !!!!!
 
Yea, very true. Are you from Californiahhh?
Inspection up here in NYS don't really care much. If you don't want to deal with inspection... Move to State of Michigan. They have zero, and they don't care if you drive with doors fall apart, nor bad brakes.

DHB

Y said:
Yeah, true ! I want to keep my old car forever
but the problem I am so sick of these "emission inspections"
and "safety inspections" I have no problem
with my car, but both test results FAILED
which forced me to go to these repair shops EEEK!!!
Thats why I do NOT like these "inspections" !!!!!
 
I rather to buy a used one because I can't afford a housepayment and car payment together because it is almost the same amount as I pay my housepayment and it look like I own two homes LOL...Beside, I have three children so I rather to have a nice house then having a nice car! ;) but if I'm rich then I wouldn't have a problem heh...

And beside, I'm looking for a used truck this summer, I hope to get one! :fingersx:
 
Oh cool! Trucks are far more realiable than cars. They don't have as much parts to wear down like most cars do. Go for it, I do own house, SUV, truck, and a motorcycle, plus one kid to deal with. ;-)

DHB

^Angel^ said:
I rather to buy a used one because I can't afford a housepayment and car payment together because it is almost the same amount as I pay my housepayment and it look like I own two homes LOL...Beside, I have three children so I rather to have a nice house then having a nice car! ;) but if I'm rich then I wouldn't have a problem heh...

And beside, I'm looking for a used truck this summer, I hope to get one! :fingersx:
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Oh cool! Trucks are far more realiable than cars. They don't have as much parts to wear down like most cars do. Go for it, I do own house, and two cars, and a motorcycle, plus one kid to deal with. ;-)

DHB

Yeah, I'm very much aware of that, but I love trucks alot more than cars since I'm a truck girl here heh heh,

Wow you must be rich buddy! :-o ...
 
We rather to own used car than new car.

Tell you the truth that I´m not shape of cars but house... I am house pride, not car. I only use car for work or shopping. Drive car.....

We have 2 old cars (VW Golf and BMW combi). We are happy with our old cars. :mrgreen:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
We rather to own used car than new car.

Tell you the truth that I´m not shape of cars but house... I am house pride, not car. I only use car for work or shopping. Drive car.....

We have 2 old cars (VW Golf and BMW combi). We are happy with our old cars. :mrgreen:

WOW, Meee too girl! ^5 :D
 
I wish that I am that rich! I am not yet comfortable with $ anyway, I have always placed my house on top priority. I don't care about cars as they r easily replaceable where house I can't replace that easily. If bank foreclose my house, then I will be in deep shit and won't be able to find nice place to live.
DHB

Wow you must be rich buddy! :-o ...[/QUOTE]
 
I'd rather get a used car than a new car which cost more than 50 percent of the value. In 3 years, average car loses about 50-60 percent of the value, so it's a bargain for me. :D As long it has reasonable amount of mileage and still runs great with few flaws to deal with. I would keep my car as long it runs good and doesn't drive me crazy. ;)
 
I wouldn't be concern about mileage... I'd be more concern the type of mileage!!! If its high mileage but mainly highway miles, then I'd go for that than city mileage!!! The more the cars on the highway, the longer that vehicle WILL last! Trust me, I seen that, experience that. Can't argue about the highway mileage.
The best place to buy vehicle is though person to person sale. So you know who you bought from. I wouldn't deal with Stealers (Oh I mean Dealer).
DHB

sequoias said:
I'd rather get a used car than a new car which cost more than 50 percent of the value. In 3 years, average car loses about 50-60 percent of the value, so it's a bargain for me. :D As long it has reasonable amount of mileage and still runs great with few flaws to deal with. I would keep my car as long it runs good and doesn't drive me crazy. ;)
 
^Angel^ said:
WOW, Meee too girl! ^5 :D

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diehardbiker65 said:
I wouldn't be concern about mileage... I'd be more concern the type of mileage!!! If its high mileage but mainly highway miles, then I'd go for that than city mileage!!! The more the cars on the highway, the longer that vehicle WILL last! Trust me, I seen that, experience that. Can't argue about the highway mileage.
The best place to buy vehicle is though person to person sale. So you know who you bought from. I wouldn't deal with Stealers (Oh I mean Dealer).
DHB

of course, yeah highway mileage is good. I already know that. ;)
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Yea, very true. Are you from Californiahhh?
Inspection up here in NYS don't really care much. If you don't want to deal with inspection... Move to State of Michigan. They have zero, and they don't care if you drive with doors fall apart, nor bad brakes.

DHB


No, I'm not from California... My friend always wanted me
to move to Michigan for a long list of reasons.
Good idea/suggestion :D
 
To tell ya truth, I wish I can move to Los Angeles! Stuck up here in New York State...

DHB

Y said:
No, I'm not from California... My friend always wanted me
to move to Michigan for a long list of reasons.
Good idea/suggestion :D
 
diehardbiker65 said:
I wouldn't be concern about mileage... I'd be more concern the type of mileage!!! If its high mileage but mainly highway miles, then I'd go for that than city mileage!!! The more the cars on the highway, the longer that vehicle WILL last! Trust me, I seen that, experience that. Can't argue about the highway mileage.
The best place to buy vehicle is though person to person sale. So you know who you bought from. I wouldn't deal with Stealers (Oh I mean Dealer).
DHB

Right, I wouldn't worry about mileages or how many miles
I have 1988 BMW 528e already over 300,000 miles and
1984 Jeep Waggoner (Cherokee) over 160,000 miles
they both run very good so far !! Worth it ? Yes... and
home is more important than car...

You mentioned New York State ? I was born and raised
in Long Island NY No wonder I have seen many cars
broke down on Long Island Expressway etc...
But, I no longer live there anymore

LOL about your "Stealers" instead of "Dealers" ...
 
Oh I love Cherokee!!! That is my SUV! The power is awesome! I could dart out of red light in no time! I didn't have problem with my jeep even after that it was stolen 2 years ago. yup some damages.

DHB

Y said:
Right, I wouldn't worry about mileages or how many miles
I have 1988 BMW 528e already over 300,000 miles and
1984 Jeep Waggoner (Cherokee) over 160,000 miles
they both run very good so far !! Worth it ? Yes... and
home is more important than car...

You mentioned New York State ? I was born and raised
in Long Island NY No wonder I have seen many cars
broke down on Long Island Expressway etc...
But, I no longer live there anymore

LOL about your "Stealers" instead of "Dealers" ...
 
Y said:
Yeah, true ! I want to keep my old car forever
but the problem I am so sick of these "emission inspections"
and "safety inspections" I have no problem
with my car, but both test results FAILED
which forced me to go to these repair shops EEEK!!!
Thats why I do NOT like these "inspections" !!!!!
I know what you mean. Our state got rid of the inspections a few years ago because they found out that many of the inspection places were ripping off car owners. The inspectors used to fail a car, and then "fix" the problem for a large repair cost. The state discovered that many of the cars that "failed" really did not have anything wrong. The inspecting garages just wanted to charge for unneccessary repairs. :(
 
sequoias said:
I'd rather get a used car than a new car which cost more than 50 percent of the value. In 3 years, average car loses about 50-60 percent of the value, so it's a bargain for me. :D As long it has reasonable amount of mileage and still runs great with few flaws to deal with. I would keep my car as long it runs good and doesn't drive me crazy. ;)
I agree.
 
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