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Federal courts have blocked 4 key parts of SB 1070

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Parts of Arizona's sweeping immigration law received a surprising amount of support from a short-handed Supreme Court Wednesday.

Fed up with illegal immigrants crossing from Mexico -- and what they say is the federal government's inability to stop it -- legislators in Arizona passed a tough immigration law. The federal government sued, saying that Arizona overreached.

While intense oral arguments took place among the justices, outside there were competing demonstrations on the courthouse plaza, with the law's opponents saying it promotes discrimination and racial profiling. Backers say illegal immigration has created public safety and economic crises.

At issue is whether states have any authority to step in to enforce immigration matters or whether that is the exclusive role of the federal government. In dry legal terms, this constitutional question is known as pre-emption.

"What does government mean if it doesn't allow states to defend its borders," said Justice Antonin Scalia.

Even liberal Justice Sonia Sotomayor told the federal governments' lawyer his case was "not selling very well."

Federal courts had blocked four key parts of the state's Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act, known as SB 1070.

Paul Clement, lawyer for Arizona, told the high court the federal government has long failed to control the problem, and that states have discretion to assist in enforcing immigration laws.

But the Obama administration's Solicitor General Donald Verrilli strongly countered that assertion, saying immigration matters are under its exclusive authority and state "interference" would only make matters worse.

Several other states followed Arizona's lead by passing laws meant to deter illegal immigrants. Similar laws are under challenge in lower courts in Georgia, Alabama, Utah, Indiana and South Carolina. Arizona's appeal is the first to reach the Supreme Court.

Arizona is the nation's most heavily traveled corridor for illegal immigration and smuggling.

Justice Elena Kagan did not hear this case. Before taking the bench last year, she had been involved in the administration's initial legal opposition to the law as solicitor general. A 4-4 high court split would be likely to keep the Arizona law in legal limbo, preventing the four provisions of the law from going into effect but not settling the larger constitutional questions.

It would also shift the election-year fight over the issue to other states with current or pending crackdown laws.

The court hearing over the illegal immigration law comes at an interesting time. The Pew Hispanic Center this week released a report that found that Mexican immigration to the United States has come to a standstill.

The economic downturn in the United States and better conditions in Mexico, along with deportations and other enforcement, has led many to return to Mexico.

However, the debate continues as more than 10 million unauthorized immigrants -- from Mexico and other countries -- continue to live in the United States.

Even if immigration has slowed to lows not seen in decades, proponents of tough immigration laws want to beef up enforcement ahead of any future pressures.

The four Arizona provisions on hold are:

-- A requirement that local police officers check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws if "reasonable suspicion" exists that the person is in the United States illegally.

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-- A provision authorizing police to arrest immigrants without warrant where "probable cause" exists that they committed any public offense making them removable from the country.

-- A section making it a state crime for "unauthorized immigrants" to fail to carry registration papers and other government identification.

-- A ban on those not authorized for employment in the United States to apply, solicit or perform work. That would include immigrants standing in a parking lot who "gesture or nod" their willingness to be employed.

Although the specific question before the high court relates to the law's enforcement, the justices could use the appeal to address the broader constitutional questions.

The administration, backed by a variety of immigrant and civil rights groups, says allowing such discretionary state authority would hurt relations between the United States and other countries, disrupt existing cooperative efforts and unfairly target legal immigrants.

The legislation has a variety of supporters and detractors.

Republican lawmakers, outspoken Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and various state governments were among those filing briefs supporting the law. The Mexican government, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Immigration Lawyers Association and the city of Tucson, Arizona, were among those supporting the Justice Department's side.

Civil rights and minority groups, as well as some law enforcement agencies, worry the law would encourage racial profiling, drain vital and scarce law enforcement resources, hamper investigation of more serious crimes and cripple relations with immigrant communities.

In a CNN/ORC International poll last fall, 52% of those surveyed said illegal immigration was extremely or very important to their vote for president. But a similar poll in March showed only 4% saying it is the most important issue facing the United States today, while 53% said the economy is the top issue.

While a federal judge in 2010 stopped enforcement of the most controversial provisions, other parts of SB 1070 were given the go-ahead, including a ban on "sanctuary cities," or municipalities with laws or policies that render them relatively safe for undocumented immigrants.

Judge Susan Bolton's ruling also allowed a provision making it illegal to hire day laborers if doing so impedes traffic. Her order allowed parts of the law dealing with sanctions for employers who hire illegal immigrants to take effect.

A federal appeals court in San Francisco subsequently sided with the Justice Department, largely on the argument that federal immigration policy -- as well as America's standing in the world -- would be greatly undermined if individual states adopted their own separate immigration laws. Doing so, the court concluded, essentially meant a given state would be adopting its own foreign policy, one that may be in opposition to national policy.

The outcome of the Arizona appeal could set important precedent on similar laws pending across the country.

The case is Arizona v. U.S. (11-182) and is to be the last argued before the high court this term. A ruling could come in late June, just before the justices recess for the summer.

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I :hmm: is Obama going to talk bad about Arizona to Mexico again?
 
No surprise... Why? because US Supreme Court is more lightly conservative than usual.
 
This is a very tough year for Mr. Kennedy....
 
You mean he already has? :shock:

Obama apologizes again - The Hill's Pundits Blog


Why is the president of the United States apologizing to President Calderon of Mexico about an Arizona law that enforces federal laws curbing illegal Mexican immigrants?


President Obama should be castigating President Calderon over the conditions in Mexico that encourage these illegals to cross the border. The Mexican government should be working with the American government to prevent illegal immigration and enforce immigration laws. This might have the spin-off benefit of contributing to the defeat of the drug lords that informally rule much of Mexico and sell illegal drugs in the U.S.

Illegal Americans in Mexico are subjected to harsh Mexican immigration laws. Conversely, illegal Mexicans in our country are only subjected to a slight slap on the wrist. Why do border states feel they are not getting the support from the president on enforcing existing federal law and have to enforce federal immigration law themselves?

If there were fewer illegal immigrants in the U.S., there would be more jobs available for unemployed citizens and legal residents. It would also result in higher wages for low-skilled American workers, who would not be competing for jobs against illegal Mexicans willing to work at lower wages. The lack of commitment to enforcing immigration laws is one of the disconnects between the president and unemployed Regan Democrats and legal minorities in the Democratic coalition that got him elected.

Mr. President, where is your backbone? Tell President Calderon that illegal immigrants are criminals and should be punished to the full extent of all laws.
 
Yeah and try immigrating to Mexico legally even. You have to prove you have steady income coming from the US and a pretty good sum in the bank. Want to work in Mexico legally? Good luck.

But ya know.....we are the bad guys. :roll:
 
High court appears to lean toward Arizona in immigration law dispute - CNN.com
The four Arizona provisions on hold are:
-- A requirement that local police officers check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws if "reasonable suspicion" exists that the person is in the United States illegally.

-- A provision authorizing police to arrest immigrants without warrant where "probable cause" exists that they committed any public offense making them removable from the country.

-- A section making it a state crime for "unauthorized immigrants" to fail to carry registration papers and other government identification.

-- A ban on those not authorized for employment in the United States to apply, solicit or perform work. That would include immigrants standing in a parking lot who "gesture or nod" their willingness to be employed.
 
Yeah and try immigrating to Mexico legally even. You have to prove you have steady income coming from the US and a pretty good sum in the bank. Want to work in Mexico legally? Good luck.

But ya know.....we are the bad guys. :roll:

And Mexico's policy on illegal aliens is stricter than the U.S....and they follow through it, too!
 
And Mexico's policy on illegal aliens is stricter than the U.S....and they follow through it, too!

yes because they're barbarous.
 
Yeah and try immigrating to Mexico legally even. You have to prove you have steady income coming from the US and a pretty good sum in the bank. Want to work in Mexico legally? Good luck.

But ya know.....we are the bad guys. :roll:

Stop picking on Mexico. It is the same thing with Canada (wink--wink:roll:)
 
we can't be all things to all people. political correctness can go to far. it's silly that people can be here illegally and only get caught when they've committed serious crime. when they can be caught and deported more easily then they will be more hesitant to come. especially after one deportion they face jail time for second time caught.
and when it's not so easy for them wages will go up for americans doing
shytwork... people like to say americans won't do these jobs.... bunk.. they will, but for higher wages. mexicans will do it for lower is all.
 
So, you think the U.S. should adopt Mexico's way of dealing with illegal aliens?

At least the Mexico govt wouldn't have a thing to complain about. Just illustrating the disparity here.
 
At least the Mexico govt wouldn't have a thing to complain about. Just illustrating the disparity here.

disparity in what? the difference in human beings' rights in both countries?
 
we can't be all things to all people. political correctness can go to far. it's silly that people can be here illegally and only get caught when they've committed serious crime. when they can be caught and deported more easily then they will be more hesitant to come. especially after one deportion they face jail time for second time caught.
and when it's not so easy for them wages will go up for americans doing
shytwork... people like to say americans won't do these jobs.... bunk.. they will, but for higher wages. mexicans will do it for lower is all.

because in America - we are all presumed innocent until proven guilty. do you want America to be a police state? gestapo? I guess you don't mind police checkpoints everywhere and having to prove your immigration status on daily basis?

anybody in America is automatically assumed that they're in this country legally. if you get caught, you will be investigated and eventually found to be an illegal and you will either get deported back or imprisoned for crime you've committed such as murder.

people come to America illegally to work. in order to live in here, you'll need a job. in order to get a job, you need to submit your social security number and some documentations. without proper documentations, you cannot get a job. simple as that.

and of course.... the problem is, some employers knowingly employed illegals and paid them under the table. and another problem is some illegals were able to obtain legal documents to work. those problems are the cheapest and easiest to tackle if we focus our assets and laws on it..... not building fences or whining to federal government to deport them when they just keep coming back.

why should we keep wasting $23,480 per person to deport them when they just keep coming back? building a fence won't help either since they'll just either build a longer ladder or underground tunnel or a hole in fence. they keep coming back because there is a bunch of employers out there willing to pay them.
 
At least the Mexico govt wouldn't have a thing to complain about. Just illustrating the disparity here.

So you do think the American government should be more like the Mexican government.

I don't see anyone complaining but some American that all have a couple of things in common.
 
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