Finding bin Laden is harder than finding Saddam

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WASHINGTON -- Capturing Saddam Hussein alive was easier than it would be to apprehend the Bush administration's No. 1 fugitive, Osama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Sunday.

Both Saddam and bin Laden spent huge sums of money preparing to elude an American-led dragnet. But bin Laden, who has hidden from U.S. forces for more than two years, has advantages Saddam didn't enjoy, according to U.S. officials and counterterrorism experts. The al-Qaida leader has an apparent hideout deep within the recesses of a vast and lawless mountain range, and a network of supporters that is shadowy -- and more loyal -- than the one that supported Saddam, they said.

U.S. officials say that cash payments they have been spreading around Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan in an effort to buy information about both fugitives is more attractive to Iraqis than to tribal chieftains in the frontier provinces where bin Laden is believed to be hiding. Saddam's supporters, the U.S. intelligence community has suggested, believed in recent weeks that they were part of a dying regime. Bin Laden's stature, however, continues to rise among a growing base of supporters who appear willing to fight to the death to defend him, several U.S. officials said.

"In the frontier area, we seem to have no traction, and our money doesn't work," said one U.S. counterterrorism official familiar with the hunt for the al-Qaida leader. "Saddam supporters probably thought they were part of a dead enterprise. Bin Laden's don't think they are part of a dead enterprise."

In addition, the CIA and Pentagon are unlikely to return to Afghanistan the scores of U.S. commandos and intelligence agents that had been seeking bin Laden before they were shifted to Iraq to crack down on Iraqi rebels killing U.S. soldiers.

That mission remains more important than turning up the heat on bin Laden, who is believed to be all but isolated in a remote corner of Afghanistan, analysts said.

"The priority of the effort in Iraq is not just finding Saddam. It's trying to identify and neutralize the resistance," said Vincent Cannistraro, former director of the CIA's counterterrorism operations and analysis.

The U.S.-led pursuit of bin Laden, arguably the largest dragnet ever for one man, is different from the hunt for Saddam, officials said.

Iraq has for several months been under the control of the U.S. military, allowing U.S. authorities to work in secret and launch intelligence-gathering missions and attempts at capture. Also, the deposed Iraqi leader was long believed to be hiding in Tikrit, Iraq, his birthplace -- an accessible, flat area, where it is relatively easy for U.S. troops to move around.

But bin Laden and top aide Ayman Zawahiri are believed to be hiding high up in the mountains that form the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, probably in caves and tunnels. The region's topography, high altitude and rocky landscape make it virtually impossible for U.S. forces to maneuver, even if they had the cooperation of tribal elders who traditionally have been loyal to bin Laden, the officials said. The area is so vast that even the most advanced satellite reconnaissance technology is of little help, the U.S. officials added.

Moreover, both Pakistan and Afghanistan are sovereign governments, forcing U.S. officials to work jointly with them. U.S. officials have been reluctant to share intelligence with Pakistan for fear it could fall into the hands of al-Qaida sympathizers within the Islamabad government and compromise the entire effort, they said.

Saddam's unkempt and haggard appearance when he was captured was just one indication of his constant and desperate scramble to elude his pursuers.

Bin Laden is believed to be so secure in the loyalty of his lieutenants that he has continued to help run the al-Qaida organization from his remote location, and even has issued statements reiterating his calls for all Muslims to join in the fight against U.S. forces in Iraq. In the most recent videotape available, bin Laden looks rested and relaxed as he and Zawahiri walk peacefully down a mountain path.

U.S. officials also said they had been watching Saddam's concentric circles of family members, senior aides and Iraqi officials in the months before the war so that eventually they could trace some of them to Saddam. Bin Laden's supporters have proven far more elusive.

Nearly half the U.S. intelligence and commando agents who had been in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan were reassigned to Iraq starting last summer after the resistance began intensifying. The redeployment raised complaints in Washington that President Bush was easing the pressures on bin Laden.

Many of the new arrivals in Iraq wound up in Task Force 121 -- an elite force of CIA analysts and linguists, Army Green Beret, Delta Force and Navy SEAL commandos, and CIA paramilitary units created in October to track down and capture or kill Saddam and resistance leaders.

"Clearly, the resources devoted to bin Laden were diluted, but I don't expect a switch back to Afghanistan just because of the capture of" Saddam, said Cannistraro.

Nonetheless, Afghan officials said the former Iraqi dictator's capture could help dampen support for a burgeoning insurgency in Afghanistan.

"This is obviously good news for the people of Iraq who suffered for so long under Saddam's tyrannical regime and it is a warning to all the other outlaws who are at large like bin Laden, (Taliban chief) Mullah Omar and (renegade warlord) Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who hopefully sooner or later will be brought to justice," Omar Samad, a spokesman for the Afghan Foreign Ministry, told The Associated Press.
 
Here's a simple solution... bribe the citizens with Saddam's $175,000 for information on Bin Laden!
 
:rofl: well it would work.... and it won't have to cost us a penny! (we need to go on a budget in USA.. too much cutoffs and so on for the lifestyle in America to support the Middle-Easterns folks... :-/ )
 
well as far as im concerned, money is of little use, cuz bin laden will be found one way or the other dead or alive, as far as im concerned i would like to see him found alive and shown the tourture of what he's done to 9/11!
 
VamPyroX said:
Here's a simple solution... bribe the citizens with Saddam's $175,000 for information on Bin Laden!

Good thinking ! I wish President Bush and Rumsfield and
other military people could see and read your excellent problem-solving skills !!

I happen to believe that these military people
have some plans to get information from Saddam himself
and his people anyway.

White House
1600 Pennsylvannia Avenue
Washington DC

Dear President Bush and the entire military,
Please read and consider VamPyroX's Proposal for this simple solution.

Sincerely Yours,
ALLDEAF
 
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From [ Palestinian_Diary ] Saddam and the CIA?

The video shown on CNN of Iraqis celebrating the capture of Saddam was
notable. CNN did not mention why all the flags shown where red. Not
said was that the demonstration was of the Iraqi Communist Party which
suffered tremendously under Saddam's reign of terror (Islamic movements
also suffered). That Saddam regime was built and financed by the US and
Britain and that he was "our boy" in the area until he stepped out of
line in 1990 is now beyond dispute. A monster created to kill
sometimes fails to obey his master especially after gaining power.
However, the extent of his involvement with US Intelligence will likely
be kept under very close wrap as no congress will dare ask (pressed by
the Israeli lobby to support this endless war of distraction).

Some inclings do exist. The article below from UPI is useful reading
while likely not fully accurate in some areas (e.g. I have my doubts as
to Nasser-CIA connections). It is now a known fact that the US
supported both Iran and Iraq sacrificing hundreds of thousands to
essentially drain their strength). It is also a known fact that
Saddam's chemical and biological weapons programs developed in the 80s
would not have happened without US support.

But in either case, Saddam the war criminal is captured. Hooray. The
world is still full of war criminals and many of them in our own back
yard (Kissinger, Bush I & II, Sharon etc.) who while responsible for
the death and injury of millions of people, are in positions of power.
One wonders when they would be brought to justice.

Perhaps I may suggest that people be honest with themselves and honest
with others and write to the mainstream media which does not tell the
whole truth. Isn't it time we demand the truth from our media and our
elected politicians. Let us expose all the shady old "dealings" and
expose the new ones (like the fact that Karzai is also a US paid agent
in Afghanistan who si a thug; or should we wait for him also to grow
big?). If Saddam is to be tried for using chemical weapons, should we
not try those in the US and Britain who supplied him these weapons and
those who are still supplying weapons to brutal regimes around the
world.

There are many sources of media activism. I personally find the tools
posted here useful: http://Al-Awda.org/mediaactivism
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from [ Palestinian_Diary ] Saddam and the CIA?

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030410-070214-6557r

Exclusive: Saddam key in early CIA plot

By Richard Sale
UPI Intelligence Correspondent
Published 4/10/2003 7:30 PM

U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi
dictator Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S.
intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used
him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former
U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials.

United Press International has interviewed almost a dozen former
U.S. diplomats, British scholars and former U.S. intelligence
officials to piece together the following account. The CIA declined
to comment on the report.

While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S.
intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq
war, his first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when
he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating
then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.

In July 1958, Qasim had overthrown the Iraqi monarchy in what one
former U.S. diplomat, who asked not to be identified, described as
"a horrible orgy of bloodshed."

According to current and former U.S. officials, who spoke on condition
of anonymity, Iraq was then regarded as a key buffer and strategic
asset in the Cold War with the Soviet Union. For example, in the
mid-1950s, Iraq was quick to join the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact which
was to defend the region and whose members included Turkey, Britain,
Iran and Pakistan.

Little attention was paid to Qasim's bloody and conspiratorial
regime until his sudden decision to withdraw from the pact in 1959,
an act that "freaked everybody out" according to a former senior
U.S. State Department official.

Washington watched in marked dismay as Qasim began to buy arms from
the Soviet Union and put his own domestic communists into ministry
positions of "real power," according to this official. The domestic
instability of the country prompted CIA Director Allan Dulles to
say publicly that Iraq was "the most dangerous spot in the world."

In the mid-1980s, Miles Copeland, a veteran CIA operative, told UPI
the CIA had enjoyed "close ties" with Qasim's ruling Baath Party,
just as it had close connections with the intelligence service of
Egyptian leader Gamel Abd Nassar. In a recent public statement,
Roger Morris, a former National Security Council staffer in the
1970s, confirmed this claim, saying that the CIA had chosen the
authoritarian and anti-communist Baath Party "as its instrument."

According to another former senior State Department official, Saddam,
while only in his early 20s, became a part of a U.S. plot to get
rid of Qasim. According to this source, Saddam was installed in an
apartment in Baghdad on al-Rashid Street directly opposite Qasim's
office in Iraq's Ministry of Defense, to observe Qasim's movements.

Adel Darwish, Middle East expert and author of "Unholy Babylon,"
said the move was done "with full knowledge of the CIA," and that
Saddam's CIA handler was an Iraqi dentist working for CIA and
Egyptian intelligence. U.S. officials separately confirmed Darwish's
account.

Darwish said that Saddam's paymaster was Capt. Abdel Maquid Farid,
the assistant military attach at the Egyptian Embassy who paid for
the apartment from his own personal account. Three former senior
U.S. officials have confirmed that this is accurate.

The assassination was set for Oct. 7, 1959, but it was completely
botched. Accounts differ. One former CIA official said that the
22-year-old Saddam lost his nerve and began firing too soon, killing
Qasim's driver and only wounding Qasim in the shoulder and arm.
Darwish told UPI that one of the assassins had bullets that did not
fit his gun and that another had a hand grenade that got stuck in
the lining of his coat.

"It bordered on farce," a former senior U.S. intelligence official
said. But Qasim, hiding on the floor of his car, escaped death, and
Saddam, whose calf had been grazed by a fellow would-be assassin,
escaped to Tikrit, thanks to CIA and Egyptian intelligence agents,
several U.S. government officials said.

Saddam then crossed into Syria and was transferred by Egyptian
intelligence agents to Beirut, according to Darwish and former
senior CIA officials. While Saddam was in Beirut, the CIA paid for
Saddam's apartment and put him through a brief training course,
former CIA officials said. The agency then helped him get to Cairo,
they said.

One former U.S. government official, who knew Saddam at the time,
said that even then Saddam "was known as having no class. He was a
thug -- a cutthroat."

In Cairo, Saddam was installed in an apartment in the upper class
neighborhood of Dukki and spent his time playing dominos in the
Indiana Caf, watched over by CIA and Egyptian intelligence operatives,
according to Darwish and former U.S. intelligence officials.

One former senior U.S. government official said: "In Cairo, I often
went to Groppie Caf at Emad Eldine Pasha Street, which was very
posh, very upper class. Saddam would not have fit in there. The
Indiana was your basic dive."

But during this time Saddam was making frequent visits to the
American Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and
CIA station chief Jim Eichelberger were in residence and knew Saddam,
former U.S. intelligence officials said.

Saddam's U.S. handlers even pushed Saddam to get his Egyptian
handlers to raise his monthly allowance, a gesture not appreciated
by Egyptian officials since they knew of Saddam's American connection,
according to Darwish. His assertion was confirmed by former U.S.
diplomat in Egypt at the time.

In February 1963 Qasim was killed in a Baath Party coup. Morris
claimed recently that the CIA was behind the coup, which was
sanctioned by President John F. Kennedy, but a former very senior
CIA official strongly denied this.

"We were absolutely stunned. We had guys running around asking what
the hell had happened," this official said.

But the agency quickly moved into action. Noting that the Baath
Party was hunting down Iraq's communist, the CIA provided the
submachine gun-toting Iraqi National Guardsmen with lists of suspected
communists who were then jailed, interrogated, and summarily gunned
down, according to former U.S. intelligence officials with intimate
knowledge of the executions.

Many suspected communists were killed outright, these sources said.
Darwish told UPI that the mass killings, presided over by Saddam,
took place at Qasr al-Nehayat, literally, the Palace of the End.

A former senior U.S. State Department official told UPI: "We were
frankly glad to be rid of them. You ask that they get a fair trial?
You have to get kidding. This was serious business."

A former senior CIA official said: "It was a bit like the mysterious
killings of Iran's communists just after Ayatollah Khomeini came
to power in 1979. All 4,000 of his communists suddenly got killed."

British scholar Con Coughlin, author of "Saddam: King of Terror,"
quotes Jim Critchfield, then a senior Middle East agency official,
as saying the killing of Qasim and the communists was regarded "as
a great victory." A former long-time covert U.S. intelligence
operative and friend of Critchfield said: "Jim was an old Middle
East hand. He wasn't sorry to see the communists go at all. Hey,
we were playing for keeps."

Saddam, in the meantime, became head of al-Jihaz a-Khas, the secret
intelligence apparatus of the Baath Party.

The CIA/Defense Intelligence Agency relation with Saddam intensified
after the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September of 1980. During
the war, the CIA regularly sent a team to Saddam to deliver battlefield
intelligence obtained from Saudi AWACS surveillance aircraft to aid
the effectiveness of Iraq's armed forces, according to a former DIA
official, part of a U.S. interagency intelligence group.

This former official said that he personally had signed off on a
document that shared U.S. satellite intelligence with both Iraq and
Iran in an attempt to produce a military stalemate. "When I signed
it, I thought I was losing my mind," the former official told UPI.

A former CIA official said that Saddam had assigned a top team of
three senior officers from the Estikhbarat, Iraq's military
intelligence, to meet with the Americans.

According to Darwish, the CIA and DIA provided military assistance
to Saddam's ferocious February 1988 assault on Iranian positions
in the al-Fao peninsula by blinding Iranian radars for three days.

The Saddam-U.S. intelligence alliance of convenience came to an end
at 2 a.m. Aug. 2, 1990, when 100,000 Iraqi troops, backed by 300
tanks, invaded its neighbor, Kuwait. America's one-time ally had
become its bitterest enemy.

Copyright 2001-2003 United Press International
 
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