FBI violated my son's ADA rights

Steinhauer said:
I am not interested in your misrepresentation of facts. You repeatedly throw in your own implications and misrepresent what was actually stated. You do this time and again and every time I call you on it you make offensive remarks as if that corrects the problem.

It doesn't.

Here is another question for you ... your roommate in college has an obsession with bondage porn - does that make him a kidnapping rapist? Or does that make him someone with an obsession for porn?
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Nearly all of your answers in red are in error.
 
Pedophillia is not a crime. It is a mental health diagnosis of the sexual dysfunction type.

Sex with a minor is a crime. One can have sex with a minor and not be a pedophilliac. Likewise, one can be diagnosed with pedophillia and be completely celebate, or limit sexual contact to adults.
 
Steinhauer said:
I am not interested in your misrepresentation of facts. You repeatedly throw in your own implications and misrepresent what was actually stated. You do this time and again and every time I call you on it you make offensive remarks as if that corrects the problem.

It doesn't.
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Now you have another ADer telling you that your post is erroneous.

Steinhauer said:
Here is another question for you ... your roommate in college has an obsession with bondage porn - does that make him a kidnapping rapist? Or does that make him someone with an obsession for porn?
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why are you asking me same question again? I've already answered your question many times. My latest answer's in my post #137 so I'll repost my answer

Watching porn is NOT illegal.
Watching child porn is illegal.

what part of it do you not understand?
 
Steinhauer said:
Yes, he acted on his urges and molested a minor
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ok.

Steinhauer said:
a pedophile, stalker,kidnapper and rapist
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why such a harsh label? and I thought you wanted to help him because he is "sick"?

Steinhauer said:
no - he has a sick obsession with child pornography
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why such a harsh label? and I thought you wanted to help him because he is "sick"?

Steinhauer said:
no - he is a book author
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so I take it that you're ok with author writing "how-to guide" on bomb/IED to be used on American soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, correct because it doesn't make him a terrorist since he never killed the American with his bomb.

Steinhauer said:
Yes, he physically took sexually explicit photographs of minors and distributed them
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he never took sexually-explicit photographs. I said he took a photos of children in public places.
 
What a hornet's nest - and many of you are just wrong...

OK - before I leave this forum - I'll get some things out on the table.

1) My son did what he did - he sentence was just. He deserves to do time. To think for ONE MINUTE I'm trying to find a way of getting him away for the time a fair judge sentenced him to is ABSURD! But, if his deafness got in the way of his being treated fairly, that needs to be addressed.

2) Do you honestly think I would use a forum in place of an educated attorney's advice? Really?

3) Thank you for those of you who gave me unemotional thoughts on the subject. Not one of you could be any more sickened by what he did than his own mother. Of course he wasn't raised this way. He made his own choices - and has to pay for them for the rest of his life.

4) I will ALWAYS help him to find hope. That's the stuff of unconditional love.
If you don't understand that, what a sad, sad shame.
 
deafbillsmom said:
OK - before I leave this forum - I'll get some things out on the table.

1) My son did what he did - he sentence was just. He deserves to do time. To think for ONE MINUTE I'm trying to find a way of getting him away for the time a fair judge sentenced him to is ABSURD! But, if his deafness got in the way of his being treated fairly, that needs to be addressed.

2) Do you honestly think I would use a forum in place of an educated attorney's advice? Really?

3) Thank you for those of you who gave me unemotional thoughts on the subject. Not one of you could be any more sickened by what he did than his own mother. Of course he wasn't raised this way. He made his own choices - and has to pay for them for the rest of his life.

4) I will ALWAYS help him to find hope. That's the stuff of unconditional love.
If you don't understand that, what a sad, sad shame.
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just a couple questions.

exactly what is he charged with? and how long is he sentenced for?

if you can share some details on his case... we may be able to help you but you're giving us an extremely limited information.
 
deafbillsmom said:
OK - before I leave this forum - I'll get some things out on the table.

1) My son did what he did - he sentence was just. He deserves to do time. To think for ONE MINUTE I'm trying to find a way of getting him away for the time a fair judge sentenced him to is ABSURD! But, if his deafness got in the way of his being treated fairly, that needs to be addressed.

2) Do you honestly think I would use a forum in place of an educated attorney's advice? Really?

3) Thank you for those of you who gave me unemotional thoughts on the subject. Not one of you could be any more sickened by what he did than his own mother. Of course he wasn't raised this way. He made his own choices - and has to pay for them for the rest of his life.

4) I will ALWAYS help him to find hope. That's the stuff of unconditional love.
If you don't understand that, what a sad, sad shame.
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I have to ask you. What did you expect? This is public forum with many people here with differing opinions. This was certainly going to turn into a debate. That's #1.

2. We are not experts in legal matters. We could ONLY give opinions. If you wanted expert advise, then you needed to consult a lawyer. You brought this matter here. We simply commented. You know what they say about opinions......

I wish your son luck. He will need it.
 
jillio said:
Pedophillia is not a crime. It is a mental health diagnosis of the sexual dysfunction type.

Sex with a minor is a crime. One can have sex with a minor and not be a pedophilliac. Likewise, one can be diagnosed with pedophillia and be completely celebate, or limit sexual contact to adults.
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Seriously? I always thought that someone who had sex with a minor was a pedophiliac? Difference in terminology?
 
deafbillsmom said:
Possession of Child Pornography. 87 months.
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so about 7 years. wow... I do agree that it is very excessive for just viewing child pornography however.... the reason for that is because your son was arrested by FBI... meaning he was subjected to federal sentencing guidelines. If he was tried at state court, it would be much less - probably couple years.

Federal's minimum prison sentence for possession of child pornography is 5 years, I believe (it was recently increased by Congress). That is somewhat excessive IMO. I don't think there's anything you can do about it except to have it reduced to 5 years but I assume that it largely depends on the nature of his crime.

I refer you to some cases -
Feds, Pa. differ on kid porn | The Times Leader, Wilkes-Barre & Scranton PA
Pennsylvania man sentenced to 6 years in prison for possession of hundreds of images of child sexual exploitation
Law.com - Pa. Justices: Internet Child Porn Search Constitutes 'Knowing Possession'
 
I don't think the OP should have had to disclose what her son's crimes were.

She came here asking about ADA rights and feeling that her son's rights had been violated. Whether or not they were should have been the subject of this thread, not his actual crimes.

Shame.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Seriously? I always thought that someone who had sex with a minor was a pedophiliac? Difference in terminology?
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no. a person who had a sex with a minor is called a child rapist. or child molester.

The term "pedophile" is just a word that society used to shame a sex offender but it is not the term that legal system uses.
 
AlleyCat said:
I don't think the OP should have had to disclose what her son's crimes were.

She came here asking about ADA rights and feeling that her son's rights had been violated. Whether or not they were should have been the subject of this thread, not his actual crimes.

Shame.
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in order to see if her son's rights was violated or not, some details should be disclosed for better accuracy.
 
deafbillsmom said:
Hi! I'm a hearing mom of a deaf son. He committed a crime and is waiting to be sent to Federal prison.
The FBI came to his apartment and took his computer, but didn't have an interpreter with them. You know with all the SSI records, they KNEW he was deaf - they even printed out his Miranda rights! So why wouldn't they have an interpreter?

He admits he did what he did, but he wants the FBI to have to pay for what they did - or didn't do.

Can anyone give me some advise?

Thanks!
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Jiro said:
in order to see if her son's rights was violated or not, some details should be disclosed for better accuracy.
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He's already admitted what he's done, and found guilty for it. The issue was about not having an interpreter at the initial FBI visit, about the printed-out Miranda rights, and so forth. None of that has ANYTHING to do with his actual crime.
 
I believe cyberspace internet illegal pornology and chat! that is wrong! crime charge! It is very risk abused and or verbal language conviced wrong!
 
Oceanbreeze said:
Thank you. I seem to recall that I read that somewhere. Can't recall where it was, though.
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How many people lose their cherry before 18? Kids in high school...? They are both minors. It can depend on the state laws on what the age of consent is. Here is information I found for Washington:

RCW 9A.44.093
Sexual misconduct with a minor in the first degree.


(1) A person is guilty of sexual misconduct with a minor in the first degree when: (a) The person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual intercourse with another person who is at least sixteen years old but less than eighteen years old and not married to the perpetrator, if the perpetrator is at least sixty months older than the victim, is in a significant relationship to the victim, and abuses a supervisory position within that relationship in order to engage in or cause another person under the age of eighteen to engage in sexual intercourse with the victim; (b) the person is a school employee who has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual intercourse with an enrolled student of the school who is at least sixteen years old and not more than twenty-one years old and not married to the employee, if the employee is at least sixty months older than the student; or (c) the person is a foster parent who has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual intercourse with his or her foster child who is at least sixteen.

(2) Sexual misconduct with a minor in the first degree is a class C felony.

(3) For the purposes of this section:

(a) "Enrolled student" means any student enrolled at or attending a program hosted or sponsored by a common school as defined in RCW 28A.150.020, or a student enrolled at or attending a program hosted or sponsored by a private school under chapter 28A.195 RCW, or any person who receives home-based instruction under chapter 28A.200 RCW.

(b) "School employee" means an employee of a common school defined in RCW 28A.150.020, or a grade kindergarten through twelve employee of a private school under chapter 28A.195 RCW, who is not enrolled as a student of the common school or private school.
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RCW 9A.44.093: Sexual misconduct with a minor in the first degree.
 
jillio said:
Obsessions are not compulsions. Compulsions are behaviors. Obsessions are thoughts. People every day experience obsessions without compulsions.
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That has been exactly what I have been saying. Pedophilia is a compulsion, not an obsession. One must act on an obsession to be considered a pedophile ... or am I wrong?
 
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