Do u like laws called "No Child Left Behind"?

Eve said:
Actually, if the schools were doing their jobs, then maybe your child might not be scoring so low. The whole point of NCLB is to hold the schools accountable. http://www.ed.gov/nclb/overview/intro/execsumm.html
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No, Eve, the point is that does the NCLB actually accurately measure progress of your children's education? Just because they set up a test and everything, does not mean that it is the RIGHT test or the RIGHT way.

Oh, and please don't insult me by insituating that I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm very well informed. I am a high school teacher with a MA, and I'm up to date on the NCLB. I have every right to disagree with you, and it is my education that makes me disagree, not pure ignorance. I agree that you need to have standards of some kind, but the NCLB tests are no way to measure those standards. I really don't th ink the ability of someone to make a mark on a multiple choice test or to b****t on an essay is any measure of their educational readiness for the real world.
 
I'm glad to see you are educated and informed, but there are many who like to comment on NCLB who don't have a clue. I, too, have been an educator for quite a long time. I am all for holding schools accountable and the only way to calculate the quality of education being provided our students is through standardized testing. Like it or not, how else are we going to weed out those who are actually teaching from those who aren't?
As a parent I have utilized the NCLB law for the benefit of my own children. I was able to place them in a school that is much better suited for them academically, and I thank Mr. Bush for affording me that opportunity.
 
You can check on this ~~

http://www.lausd.k12.ca.us/Marlton_EL/

http://ww2.rochester.k12.mn.us/region10/Staff___Specialists/Deaf_HH/deaf_hh.htm

John Tracy Clinic
http://www.oraldeafed.org/schools/johntracy/
806 West Adams Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90007
800-522-4582 V/TTY

http://www.4children.org/news/103spec.htm

http://www.cta.org/CaliforniaEducator/v7i6/feature_3.htm

Just try to find some help that will benefit you. Someone out there in your area surely will help you to get pass that. I do not know much about Los Angles area, but I wish I could help you more. I am helping someone near me and been there for them since she has that problem for few years and couldnt get help for her daughter. Right now, she will be in court and hopefully her daughter will be able to get better education and interprerter.

Do you have IEP? Your mom or dad should request that as that would help you. Do you have an interpreter with you for your classes?

Good Luck.
(if I find anything else, I will let you know)
 
linneaelliott said:
I'm not sure about other states, but here in Alabama, my students can come to my class for math, reading, and english (I am a deaf ed/special ed teacher). They have to attend regular class for social studies (history) and science. But they can come to my class for social studies and science tests or questions, but I can't teach them. Actually, I am gonna co-teach one social studies first time this year because of NCLB. But I can't teach my students in small group, it must be all students in one class with normal and special ed mixed. I'm not sure how that's gonna work, but mostly I will just be there to help with reading the texts and make sure their accomodations and modifications are working and/or being used.

The whole point of NCLB is they are trying to give all kids a good education. And from politician's idea, they think only way is to put all kids in regular classroom. But, these politicians have never taught a class to know that special ed kids are already behind (thats why they are in special ed in first place) so when you put them in regular class, they fall even more behind. All the teachers and staff have known about this for about 2 or 3 years but this is first year that its mandatory to start NCLB act. It's gonna be a mess for special ed and I hope it doesn't take too long for the politicans to notice the mess they are making or have made.
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Alabama seems little weird with education... that sucks if not have special ed but deaf kids going be stuck with their parent. MSSD is best deaf school for kids that who hates to wear uniform at deaf school in Alabama.
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I don't really like this thing. It seems that they will pass anyone just so that they are like everyone else. A lot of deaf kids in my mainstream school were given modified grades so that they could move on to the next grade. As a result, we had a bunch of seniors who were on 3rd grade math, reading, and writing.
 
VamPyroX said:
I don't really like this thing. It seems that they will pass anyone just so that they are like everyone else. A lot of deaf kids in my mainstream school were given modified grades so that they could move on to the next grade. As a result, we had a bunch of seniors who were on 3rd grade math, reading, and writing.
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Welcome back

I have agree with u :D
 
and the only way to calculate the quality of education being provided our students is through standardized testing. Like it or not, how else are we going to weed out those who are actually teaching from those who aren't?
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Agreed.....I mean you SHOULD have to pass standardized tests in order to move from one grade to the next.
As a parent I have utilized the NCLB law for the benefit of my own children. I was able to place them in a school that is much better suited for them academically,
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Yes, but what about the kids who have to be left behind at the worse school? There are never going to be enough seats at Suburban School that Has A Lot of Extra Things, and Sends Lots of its Grads to Post-Secondary Ed.
 
I don't really like this thing. It seems that they will pass anyone just so that they are like everyone else. A lot of deaf kids in my mainstream school were given modified grades so that they could move on to the next grade. As a result, we had a bunch of seniors who were on 3rd grade math, reading, and writing.
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Agreed....that's why I am against mainstreaming as the only option. Too often kids are just given social promotions and end up falling through the cracks....I really really think that most if not all kids with physcial disabilties need to be tested to make sure they can function well in the mainstream.
 
My friend JF mainstreamed most of his life until he graduated a Clarke School for the Deaf in Mass. His reading level was very high. He told me that he never thought of a deaf school. Although, he enjoyed to be with deaf society at the school. He noticed a big different between schools. A deaf school is usually 10 x slower than a regular school.

You don't need to point that mainstream is the one that cause the problem because I believe the teachers are the ones that did not a good job teaching them. I was mainstreamed at my high school with fair interpreters, and they were okay as long as I understood in the classes except in algebra or concept physics. My interpreter had trouble understanding in physics - well I don't blame my interpreter. I took some tutors from my interpreter in a small room. That was nice of her.

Actually, I hate SAT which I never taught in class. Most of my grades were very good in classes. I don't believe SAT as long as you understand the education which is good enough to get a good job... I don't see a problem with that. I think that SAT is definitely a dirty business especially big waste of money...
 
TrippLA said:
Welcome back

I have agree with u :D
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Thanks. A lot of my deaf friends wished that they were in mainstream. They were in mainstream for a few years. After being given an opportunity to go to deaf school, they thought their life would be better if they were among other deafies... so they took it. As a result, they breezed through school with straight As... but entered NTID and failed the harder test. They then realized that the reason for breezing through deaf school was because they others were still behind and had many years to catch him. For my friend, it was 'nothing' so he/she learned nothing.
 
webexplorer said:
My friend JF mainstreamed most of his life until he graduated a Clarke School for the Deaf in Mass. His reading level was very high. He told me that he never thought of a deaf school. Although, he enjoyed to be with deaf society at the school. He noticed a big different between schools. A deaf school is usually 10 x slower than a regular school.

You don't need to point that mainstream is the one that cause the problem because I believe the teachers are the ones that did not a good job teaching them. I was mainstreamed at my high school with fair interpreters, and they were okay as long as I understood in the classes except in algebra or concept physics. My interpreter had trouble understanding in physics - well I don't blame my interpreter. I took some tutors from my interpreter in a small room. That was nice of her.

Actually, I hate SAT which I never taught in class. Most of my grades were very good in classes. I don't believe SAT as long as you understand the education which is good enough to get a good job... I don't see a problem with that. I think that SAT is definitely a dirty business especially big waste of money...
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SAT Sucks.... :thumbd:

How about ACT?
 
You don't need to point that mainstream is the one that cause the problem because I believe the teachers are the ones that did not a good job teaching them.
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No, I didn't mean it that way. I definitly think that the mainstream should be a legitimate option for dhh kids. But I think that one BIG problem is early education and early intervention. A lot of times, dhh kids get improperly served by early intervention. Like they may have a speech therapist who only knows a handful of signs (but describes themselves as "fluent") or be put in a Headstart type program with teachers who don't even KNOW how to teach dhh kids....Also a HUGE downside of mainstream is that if the only sped resource is a general resource room, then a lot of times especially if you're not a Super Deaf you don't get appropreate services or accomondations and you get lumped in with the stupid sped slackers. (you know the ones who are like "Ummm....who's President Bush?" ) Numerous court cases have already indicated that the law does not believe that we disabled kids have a right to strict equality. We just need appropreate accomondations....and it seems like virtually every single regualr ed person believes that every disabled kid can do OK with minmal accomondations, or they are just lazy/slackers. You practically have to have a law degree to get any good accomondations!
I know b/c I went through this myself....I was given VERY minmal accomondations and didn't do well.....but when I went to a college that had appropreate accomondations, my grades SOARED and I made Dean's List!
 
VamPyroX said:
Thanks. A lot of my deaf friends wished that they were in mainstream. They were in mainstream for a few years. After being given an opportunity to go to deaf school, they thought their life would be better if they were among other deafies... so they took it. As a result, they breezed through school with straight As... but entered NTID and failed the harder test. They then realized that the reason for breezing through deaf school was because they others were still behind and had many years to catch him. For my friend, it was 'nothing' so he/she learned nothing.
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well. the deaf k-12 schools only teach deaf/hoh ASL and teachers are forced to drop English lessons. So when ASLers go to NTID or any college, they read/write like a third grader and they struggle with English in college. Asl is the problem and the deaf should learn SEE and attend mainstreamed English then they will adopt ASL later in the life.
I learned SEE when I was 4, and my reading and writing are more advanced because of SEE and I go to mainstreamed high school. I am also learning ASL and I only use it when I am talking to an ASLer, for the most of the time, I use English.
 
Actually, before I was 4, my mom tried to communicate with me and she thought there was something wrong w/ me. Then she took me to an audiologist and he/she told mom that I was found to be deaf.

She got a phone call from my old school, about sign languages and mom asked them what r the differences between ASL and SEE

ASL = faster / easier to learn
SEE = slower / harder to learn

They told her that SEE is equal to communicating using English directly like speaking to others in English. I learned how to fingerspell at the age of 4 then I taught myself how to read when I was 5 in 1991 from SEE. I adopted ASL when I was 17, although I don't use ASL often.
 
reba, rjr2006 has severe CP, and they probaly thought that he was retarded or something....I know doctors too well!
 
I know what you mean and the doctors should not label physically disabled "retarded" or other negative terms. I am happy with my disabilities, and I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!
 
Hey TrippLA, I hope you have the kind of motivate to learn more about this issue.

So now that you know what it really means to you and learn something better in the future and get more educational alot the more you gets improve your communicate better and new skills too. ok shaka and it is fun to learn a lot of educational system too. Have a good day! :fingersx:


TrippLA said:
I just wondering that Bush created shitty laws called NCLB Act. I thought it can be screwed deaf people's life and unforgiven to deaf kids that has low GPA rate. What's deal with this laws? :deal:

I have go back to public school this fall but I feel nervous that is no special education class in some public school. I'm in low GPA rate and need find public school that has special education class. :(
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rjr2006 said:
Actually, before I was 4, my mom tried to communicate with me
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Do you mean she used speech or home signs or what? Four years old is very late to start communicating with each other. I am curious how you and your mom communicated with each other for those first four years. Like, how did you make your needs known to mom, and how did she tell you things.

...and she thought there was something wrong w/ me. Then she took me to an audiologist and he/she told mom that I was found to be deaf.
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How old were you when she found out?

They told her that SEE is equal to communicating using English directly like speaking to others in English.
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Did your mom also learn SEE while you were learning it?
 
I don't know if it's off topic or on topic...??? BTW, from my personal experienced, I didn't know Sign Language until I was around 8 or 9. My parent and sibling tried to communication with me in any way. My mother and sibling finally took Sign Language course at my former school which my former teacher was offered for free class. Later, my Dad has noticed my Sign so he took class at college. I finally learned ASL later in late teens. I grew up went to mainstream schools.

I remember my old time at school used to be SEE, but now they took over ASL from SEE.
 
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