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hearing test..... My daughter passed the test and found she is hearing. Few months later after her birth (shes currently 4 mos old) around 2 mos back, she for the first time respond me by looking back to me or move directly to the sound she was hearing. Theres NO question she is half deaf or deaf..she did passed the test. :D
 
but theres a distinctive difference between "Deaf" grammar errors and "hearing" grammar errors
Well...it depends.......There IS a distinctive difference between "Deaf" grammar errors and hearing errors ...IF the hearing person is a native speaker of English. However compare "Deaf" errors and a non-native speaker's English grammar and they are VERY simlair!
 
Seems like the "censor" is a bad idea if it censors good links on here.

Hmm, ALEX?
 
Originally posted by tAzMaNiAc
Seems like the "censor" is a bad idea if it censors good links on here.

Hmm, ALEX?

Well, I agree with you, but there are some members on here that don't like these other forums, so I think Alex put up the censors to prevent any flamings between any AD2 members.
 
Originally posted by ChelEler
Well, I agree with you, but there are some members on here that don't like these other forums, so I think Alex put up the censors to prevent any flamings between any AD2 members.

Yeah oh well only if they don't censor the "hyperlinks" but just censor the texts what can I do..
 
Originally posted by sablescort
Its not weird its "werd" if u look close to sign

It means "werd up I agree with wot u saying"

Hope I clear up the meaning of the sign :D

No problems. Sorry, I misunderstood the word "werd" for "weird". Sometimes, it's slightly difficult for me to look at the icons. Next time when I see the sign "werd", I will know. :)

Oh well, my eyeglasses aren't perfect as CIs/oralism can be. I bet deaf oralists misunderstand while lipreading and CI users misunderstand what they are hearing. :D :twisted:
 
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Originally posted by Cain
Any child no matter what age can be diagnosed with a hearing loss. Dont wait to find out. Thats the dumbest thing to do.

My biological mother suspected I was born deaf and my biological father suspected I was born hearing. It took them 9 months to find out that I was actually born deaf.

My deafness was confirmed at the age of 9 months. I turned out just fine as of today. :)

Although I'm still skeptical of hearing testing accuracy, I would advise parents to have their newborns' hearing screened following their birth. The tests should be repeated until they reach kindergarten. Just my opinion and I stand all behind my opinions!

I will check out these links you (and Boult) gave me.



You can be as skeptical as you want but that doesnt change the fact that prelingual children are learning to listen/speak at the same rate as hearing children now.
Just becuase something requires "a lot of work" doesnt mean its not worthwhile.
Besides it isnt a lot of work...it comes naturally to kids to want to succeed at things.
Maybe its just hard for you to understand??

I do understand perfectly. I was born deaf and was given my first set of auditory trainers at the age of 18 months. Auditory/verbal training sessions began immediately aftewards. Have I developed good speech skills or auditory skills? I never did. I never gained word comprehension. I had A/V training sessions for 14 years and none of those worked for me. I have witnessed such failures in other deaf children, especially prelingually deaf children.

Naturally? That's a strong word to use. Very unrealistic, I'm afraid. No CIs, hearing aids, or auditory trainers will go naturally with prelingually children. They are strange-sounding noises to them at the beginning. It may take months or even years for them to get used to those devices.





Youre living proof that people can succeed with many different language and communication options/choices.

Yes, you are correct. But I'm only pointing out that ASL CAN
be named an option.

But that doesnt mean todays kids have to do it that same way you did.
In fact todays kids have the chance to do it a lot different than you did.

Nope. CIs only replaced oralism of these old days. I was not raised an oralist, but was nearly forced to be one.


Thats great. ]

What's so great? You think it's great to pull deaf kids out of ACADEMIC classes just to send them to speech therapy or audiologist's office? :barf: Is it great that MOST deaf children graduated from high school with 4th/5th grade level reading/writing skills? :roll:

Let the deaf children stay in academic classes to learn how to read and write, not to throw them into speech therapy sessions just to learn how to speak, lipread, and hear!

FYI, learning the written version of the English language somewhat requires less work than learning how to speak the spoken version of the English language.

BTW, I re-edited my previous post to correct the word "postlingually" to "prelingually". I failed to notice it until Cain responded to my post and I realize my typing error when Cain quoted it.
 
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Originally posted by deafdyke
LD, So what if it requires a lot of work? It's worth it! Having oral skills means that a deaf kid has options and can function somewhat better in the hearing world then someone who can only use pen and paper. Oral skills are VERY VERY useful!

Oralism refers to educational system. Speech refers to communication skills. POSTlingually deaf children shouldn't be labeled oralists. PRElingually deaf children attending oral schools or obtaining oral education are labeled as oralists.

I see no need in promoting oral skills in PRElingually children when it comes to education. However, if they want to develop oral skills for communication, speech therapy should be offered as an option. It's not easy developing good speech skills if a person is born deaf, especially those who are unable to develop word comprehension.

I still think excellent word comprehension will enhance excellent speech skills. I don't have that gift, anyway. Like I care?
 
Is it great that MOST deaf children graduated from high school with 4th/5th grade level reading/writing skills?
Yes, that is true even today and even for "oral sucesses"!
POSTlingually deaf children shouldn't be labeled oralists. PRElingually deaf children attending oral schools or obtaining oral education are labeled as oralists.
Like, Jake when he claims to be "orally educated?"
It's not easy developing good speech skills if a person is born deaf, especially those who are unable to develop word comprehension.
You got THAT right!
 
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Originally posted by LadyDuke

Naturally? That's a strong word to use. Very unrealistic, I'm afraid. No CIs, hearing aids, or auditory trainers will go naturally with prelingually children. They are strange-sounding noises to them at the beginning. It may take months or even years for them to get used to those devices.

Im sorry to disappoint you but these comments couldnt be MORE WRONG.

Many to Most prelingual kids before the age of 4 or 5 implanted today with todays latest CI can and are learning to speak and LISTEN without visuals.

The younger they are implanted the easier and more natural it is.

A child implanted at 12 months will have their baby sounds come back...then soon (within a month or two) their first words...then shortly after that (within the first year of implant) multiple word sentences. Kids are developing their language and the better they listen the easier it is to develop speach. Todays CI does that because it gets kids into the speach db level. Most profoundly deaf kids with a CI have a mild hearing loss within the 10, 20-40 speach db range.

THAT IS A FACT because it is happening. Whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you.

These kids have naturally bonded with their implant and enjoy waking up each day ready to listen. This can take about 2-3 months...its all in the mapping.

Remember now I am not talking about kids with other difficulties, kids that were implanted years ago, kids that are implanted older than 5.
What I am describing are kids implanted very early in life, kids who are given the chance to receive an oral or a/v education style, and kids who have a great audiologist and parents. It starts with the parents.
 
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I agree with Cain Marko, that researches have shown that the earlier you implant your kid, the better of a success for the child to develop the ability to hear with CI.

However, I would still be reserved about that and stick with my original decision not to implant my child. There are other ways to enhance the child's life. I would be a supportive parent and make sure the child learns English properly, encourage the child to speak and read lips, etc... I'm more for bi-bi education. I would feel better knowing that I did not make the decision for my child, that may restrict his/her life by not being able to do certain activities. This is my decision, and nobody has the right to judge me against that. Your decision to implant the child or not, I would respect it, because it is not my decision to make for you.

Originally posted by LadyDuke
Let the deaf children stay in academic classes to learn how to read and write, not to throw them into speech therapy sessions just to learn how to speak, lipread, and hear!

I agree with LD, when she said that. When I was growing up, until 4th grade, I was in deaf classroom all day. All we did was focus on how to say this word and that word. I did not feel that I really learned anything, until when I began mainstreaming in 5th grade. I was mainstreamed for 8 years, and ended up in honours classes and graduating with honours. I also had speech class two times a week during study hall (free period).

The silly requirement imposed upon me when I was in high school, to have a class called "Speech and communication" really restricted a lot of choices for me. I was on a college prep track, and there were this number of required courses to take. Being subject to "speech and communication" requirement made it tough for me. I had to ask for waivers for lunch period in order to take one more class each year. Finally, in my senior year, I succeeded in convincing my IEP caseworkers to eliminate that requirement for me, so that I could fulfill the final requirements for graduation. We agreed to arrange for speech session during my study hall time (which was required to have with lab science courses). I really wish that I did that in the beginning of my high school, and to have more opportunities to take other classes.

Anyway, CI is a good tool to use, but you will always find ppl who simply do not agree with having these implants, no matter what. We need to be open about this discussion, and be receptive about information, without building up barriers and defensive mechanisms. This is the reason why we have forums, so that we can exchange POVs without flames.
 
Originally posted by DeafAlwAyZRawKs
i am so against CI, period!

Do you really have to keep saying it?

I meant, you've already said it several times in this thread alone. The problem is, you're uneducated on how cochlear implants work.

I don't think you have any idea on how they work at all.

You're simply against them because of political reasons... I meant ethical reasons.

Can't blame you since there are people who would feed you such baloney that you would become very brainwashed. :roll:

At least, try to be more reasonable on why you are against cochlear implants in your next post.

No, Deaf Culture and Deaf Pride are not good reasons in my book.
 
Wow, a lot comment on this tread at least week.

I have seen several people with cochlear implant were my enemy. Because he or she believes that all Deaf should get cochlear implant at no matter what. I believe there should be a matter, because the parent is risk put the cochlear implant their children. Their question is, “Is the cochlear implant will work for my child and hear the noisy?”

Cochlear implant doesn’t go to your brain, it went to the cochlea. The cochlea looks like snail between the hear drum and brain. I don’t see anything wrong for children get cochlear implant as current. Since the technology improved daily in our life, help the people better their life. Same idea of “implant”: glasses, heart patch, knee, shoulder, and many parts on the body needed be fixed. It’s made no different about cochlear implant. People have to remember that implant doesn’t always cure the people. Implant is like second hand to support live better. I have seen the gross to me, implant on throat to speak better or can talk. IMPLANT ON THROAT, that causes me against to that one. I have to remember myself; the implant is helping us to able do for all of us.

I was raised in few different places: oral, sign language, speech practice, hearing aids, FM systems, SEE, PSE, and ASL (Glad I didn’t learn the CUE SIGN—looks boring!). I went the public school for whole life as mainstream and went to deaf school for short period due no interpreter or doesn’t have my benefit believe as similar their believes. I am not interesting that anyone insult or offensive me about the deaf language, oral language, and profoundness deaf. I was learned the cochlear implant is bad for me. I grew up that I against cochlear implant for almost 18 years. Until my hearing aids turn down and increase more profound. Right now, I realized that hearing aids no longer support with my cochlear due the cells hair dying? What the caused? I don’t have time to research my both ears. I am getting one, the cochlear implant, due my family doesn’t sign. I am raising oral at home and the hearing people. I signs at the public school, deaf socialization and events. I always asked myself, “Will I lost some sign?” No, because I sign at school and deaf friends and talk with voice at public. It’s doesn’t destroy the Deaf culture, because Deaf culture is too strong for this. Beside that one, I raised in Deaf/Hearing that doesn’t mean HOH. I just can’t reject both and says “I didn’t do it.” It is so vain for me says that. I am here, living, and several reasons I am here. If one of person did not like me. Try to pull my hearts out with the hand and I will not live again.

The only thing I don’t like the several Deaf person signs, “That’s Deaf way.” I know that not deaf way to scream all the time. I mean scream for 24 hours, I told them that not true, but they do scream to get attention. I cannot remember what I am says. The culture means that what we doing for the living: sign, communicate, and stuff. Not in physical fight,

I meet the several deaf, oral, and cochlear implant people with poor to great levels about the education or world. They told me in different answer for themselves, “I wish that I am hearing and will go school better program.”, “People made fun of my voice, wish my parent never put me this place first place.” and “My cochlear implanted was not working on me anymore. Wish never that happen.” It is interesting for me to see they say front different community.

In my opinion, the school to put the children is great risk. School can influence anything to our children, but not pay attention what happening. The environment greater is chance hurt child’ future. What hurt am I talking about? The child is against the law, kill themselves, and not indemnity on his/her own. Many things of out there on world are danger for us.

Enough for me says on this tend. I am just share with you what I learned from out there. Some are ugly and clean because we raised with them.
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Re: Wow, a lot comment on this tread at least week.

Originally posted by ideafspy
I have seen several people with cochlear implant....


I like what you wrote....you made some good points.

One thing in particular you wrote is RIGHT ON.
The environment we grow up in is way more risky than the implant itself.

You can tell that from reading this thread.
 
you might be right, i am uneducated, but look what the CI is doing to our community, look at us... most children at my school has CI you kno why, PARENTS scared to handle a deaf baby..
accept who we are, deaf. PERIOD.....
 
and kids who have a great audiologist and parents. It starts with the parents.
VERY TRUE!!!!!! It's parental involvement that is the key to sucess, not nessarly devices or mode of commuication!!!!!
That is why I am so skeptical of claims that the CI can help most classic prelingals. (born or early deafened NOT perilingally deafened) Have the research findings been broken down by stats like parental involvement or income levels? I have a feeling if they were, then the findings would indicate that the rich yuppy types (the ones who can afford to pack up and move to a new school that costs as much as Harvard!!) would be the ones finding the most sucess. Hell, these types of parents would crank out sucesses even if they went with ASL instead of spoken language!
Oh, and Cain Marko... Just b/c a person's an oral sucess, it doesn't mean that they have good language skills!
It is possible to be able to accurately pronounce words but still not have sophisicated language usage (eg me want car, instead of I would like the red car near the bridge) Most A/V kids still have significent deficts in their language. They may be able to speak well, but more often their language is VERY primative. There are probaly A/V sucesses but there always have been oral sucesses. Even back in the '40's there were profoundly deaf oral sucesses! (and back then the equipment was BEYOND primative! Just bulky body aids for virtually everyone!)
 
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Originally posted by ideafspy
I have seen several people with cochlear implant were my enemy. Because he or she believes that all Deaf should get cochlear implant at no matter what. I believe there should be a matter, because the parent is risk put the cochlear implant their children. Their question is, “Is the cochlear implant will work for my child and hear the noisy?”

How many people with Cochlear implants have you met in your entire life. How many people out of those considered themselves as part of the hype that all deaf people should get cochlear implants?

I've heard many hearing parents asking me for how to make the decision if their deaf child should wear cochlear implant. I always tell them, "What is the point of them hearing if I could do fine with sign langauge, reading lips, and speech skills without my Cochlear Implant."

What you have said has made it seem like you built a corral and gathered up all the deaf people with CI into a group labeled as some kind of cult believing that every deaf people would benefit from wearing cochlear implants. I know of at least 5 other deaf people who wears cochlear implant. I have never heard them saying that all deaf people should absolutly wear cochlear implants. I have only heard them saying that Cochlear Implant should be thought about with a chance.

Parents just want their children to communicate with the parents. They want to share the love through the language. Many of parents believe that you have to hear to do all this above. I've educated several hearing parents that cochlear implant is not the only answer to what those parents want. Some of them even chose the cochlear implant routinue. Some of them even bought some sign language books and hung around with me and several other deaf friends.

Cochlear implant doesn’t go to your brain, it went to the cochlea. The cochlea looks like snail between the hear drum and brain. I don’t see anything wrong for children get cochlear implant as current. Since the technology improved daily in our life, help the people better their life. Same idea of “implant”: glasses, heart patch, knee, shoulder, and many parts on the body needed be fixed. It’s made no different about cochlear implant. People have to remember that implant doesn’t always cure the people. Implant is like second hand to support live better. I have seen the gross to me, implant on throat to speak better or can talk. IMPLANT ON THROAT, that causes me against to that one. I have to remember myself; the implant is helping us to able do for all of us.

Did you know that hearing impairment is the only disability that has created its own array of culture? The Deaf culture.

Too many deaf people believes that deaf children with cochlear implants would appear to make the Deaf culture to fade away. It's just a propaganda created by several Prorated Deaf adults.

It wouldn't happen anyways. Look what happened to the Black community. We got several types of black cultures. I haven't heard them bitching about their own differences. Now I hear it here about the deaf culture. I do not want this to happen at all. It's really stupid to use Cochlear as an excuse to hold against the hearing people of how they are trying to wipe out the Deaf culture.

Just educate them. That's the power of freedom in USA.

I was raised in few different places: oral, sign language, speech practice, hearing aids, FM systems, SEE, PSE, and ASL (Glad I didn’t learn the CUE SIGN—looks boring!). I went the public school for whole life as mainstream and went to deaf school for short period due no interpreter or doesn’t have my benefit believe as similar their believes. I am not interesting that anyone insult or offensive me about the deaf language, oral language, and profoundness deaf. I was learned the cochlear implant is bad for me. I grew up that I against cochlear implant for almost 18 years.

You got plenty of experience to back up what you got to say. You might got different experiences than the rest of us but that don't always make you right. If you are willing to learn from the other people's experiences, you would someday be a good old man full of wise. That's a good thing. :D

You might have learned how to hate CI through what you have heard about the Deaf world's propaganda. Perhaps if you had tried to go to one of those preschool classes for the hearing impaired. Help out some..and you'll be approached by some desperate hearing parents who are trying to seek the knowledge on deaf childrens and how they could cope with the rest of the real world. Perhaps you could use your experiences to help those desperate parents. Your Cochlear Implant rage will probably prevent you from being open minded and trying to understand what are those parents wantings.

Until my hearing aids turn down and increase more profound. Right now, I realized that hearing aids no longer support with my cochlear due the cells hair dying? What the caused? I don’t have time to research my both ears. I am getting one, the cochlear implant, due my family doesn’t sign. I am raising oral at home and the hearing people.

Based on what I understand about Cochlear Implant. It is designed to take over what those little hairs on the cochlear is designed to do. I am not sure but I think I am confused on what you are saying. Are you saying that you want to get cochlear implant because your family doesn't sign? Why do that if your family won't sign? Why not teach them? Sure, several of my family members are too stubborn to realize that sign language is important for me. They just don't think out for me. Perhaps yours are like that?

I signs at the public school, deaf socialization and events. I always asked myself, “Will I lost some sign?” No, because I sign at school and deaf friends and talk with voice at public. It’s doesn’t destroy the Deaf culture, because Deaf culture is too strong for this. Beside that one, I raised in Deaf/Hearing that doesn’t mean HOH. I just can’t reject both and says “I didn’t do it.” It is so vain for me says that. I am here, living, and several reasons I am here. If one of person did not like me. Try to pull my hearts out with the hand and I will not live again.

You're right. Because you were raised orally and used some type of education that many of Deaf people didn't have the benefits to have, doesn't make you any outsider of the Deaf culture. Hell, just go to a deaf socializing area...if you can fit in and just do fine on your own, you're part of the deaf culture.

Try going somewhere like India and see if you can accept it when a man gets a cow urine and splash it on his face. If you can't, you're not experiencing their culture...you're just having a culture shock. No question about it. You already are in the Deaf culture regardless of your background or what you are. You possess the skills to do just fine in the Deaf culture.


The only thing I don’t like the several Deaf person signs, “That’s Deaf way.” I know that not deaf way to scream all the time. I mean scream for 24 hours, I told them that not true, but they do scream to get attention. I cannot remember what I am says. The culture means that what we doing for the living: sign, communicate, and stuff. Not in physical fight,

That's part of the propaganda caused by the Deaf adults. Teenagers are like that too. They want to "convert" you from "deaf outsider" to one of them. They want all the credits for that.

I meet the several deaf, oral, and cochlear implant people with poor to great levels about the education or world. They told me in different answer for themselves, “I wish that I am hearing and will go school better program.”, “People made fun of my voice, wish my parent never put me this place first place.” and “My cochlear implanted was not working on me anymore. Wish never that happen.” It is interesting for me to see they say front different community.

Well, if you look at this. Why does some deaf children like to go to one of the state's deaf schools? Socializing of course. They never have the intelligence levels to decide if education is more important. There's some deaf adults who even claim that they wish they could go to public schools too. Some of them even blame their own parents for deserting their children to a state school and rarely visiting them at school. That's because of uneducated parents. That's why I enjoy trying to work hard to help some parents understand how important their decisions would be because of their greatest impacts on their children. It will stick with those children for the rest of their lives. PERIOD.

Of course, I said that I got Cochlear Implant and it never worked with me. That is because I never had the moviations to regain my hearings. My parents did try hard to make me wear my cochlear implant. Only reason that I wish that I didn't get cochlear implant was because of their hopes. They were even proverty stricken at that time. Right now, I am 23 yrs old and even try to think of a great way to pay back both of my parents for what they did for me ever since I was born. Not because of their costs of the cochlear implant but because of their costs of efforts to help me fit in the "real world."

This post would be too long so I'll continue in the next post.
 
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