AZ immigration Bill Working

AndyE9503 said:
When I was growing up I was taught that if you don't vote R or D you are wasting your vote. A lot of people are starting to question that flawed mentality but I think we are still a long way from getting rid of it.
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Too true.
 
kokonut said:
What he's doing is a band-aid solution. 1200 troops for 2000 miles of border? They need to do something more concrete and in writing, like, declare a national emergency and put more than enough troops very close to the border and not 60 miles away where it does no good. And we need to have authority to grant the power to arrest as well (e.g. ICE) and expand on that. Go for the full gamut and while we're at it. Improve the fencing and security. Something that's concrete knowing it can stop the bleeding right there and keep the pressure on for the next few decades so we can recover from this.

As for money, he spent $1.7 trillion dollars over budget on what? Where's the return? The kind of money that should be spent ought to come from from our already Congressionally approved budgeted amount by increasing the allocated amount for border security and control. Something that should have been done starting a few decades ago. A bunch of weasel-assed, wimp listed politicians on both sides who have concerns only for his/her own political future and not America's.

Obama needs to decide (and that goes for future presidents) on how to properly protect our border not just for a few months but for the planning of a few decades in really tightening up so we can hear Mexico cry "Uncle!" Want to enter? Please do so legally.
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Send him a memo. I'm sure he waits on pins and needles for your expertise.:giggle: I'm shocked that he hasn't appointed you to his advisory council by now, given that you have all the answers.
 
Worst adminitration there is and still not doing it right. Better vote republicans to blalance the power in congress.
 
architekker said:
Worst adminitration there is and still not doing it right. Better vote republicans to blalance the power in congress.
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Vote republican is out of range and it won't make any better.
 
ICE official declared that an arrest by Arizona LEO will not equate to deportation .... Obama said Hispanics and their families will be harassed while getting ice cream in Arizona ...

Now, he is sending 1,200 National Guard troops ???!!!

Is he sending them to protect the illegals? :giggle:

After all, he doesn't feel we have any borders ... and are not defined by such.
 
Steinhauer said:
ICE official declared that an arrest by Arizona LEO will not equate to deportation .... Obama said Hispanics and their families will be harassed while getting ice cream in Arizona ...
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LEO cannot arrest one solely for being an illegal

Steinhauer said:
Now, he is sending 1,200 National Guard troops ???!!!

Is he sending them to protect the illegals? :giggle:
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is he?

Steinhauer said:
After all, he doesn't feel we have any borders ... and are not defined by such.
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If that's the case - then why did Republican party refused to work with him on passing tough federal immigration reform?
 
kokonut said:
What he's doing is a band-aid solution. 1200 troops for 2000 miles of border? They need to do something more concrete and in writing, like, declare a national emergency and put more than enough troops very close to the border and not 60 miles away where it does no good. And we need to have authority to grant the power to arrest as well (e.g. ICE) and expand on that. Go for the full gamut and while we're at it. Improve the fencing and security. Something that's concrete knowing it can stop the bleeding right there and keep the pressure on for the next few decades so we can recover from this.

As for money, he spent $1.7 trillion dollars over budget on what? Where's the return? The kind of money that should be spent ought to come from from our already Congressionally approved budgeted amount by increasing the allocated amount for border security and control. Something that should have been done starting a few decades ago. A bunch of weasel-assed, wimp listed politicians on both sides who have concerns only for his/her own political future and not America's.

Obama needs to decide (and that goes for future presidents) on how to properly protect our border not just for a few months but for the planning of a few decades in really tightening up so we can hear Mexico cry "Uncle!" Want to enter? Please do so legally.
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It isn't all Obama's fault over $1.7 trillion.
 
SimpleMan said:
Hmmm.... sending the national guard to the border... that seems so familiar...

USATODAY.com - Bush orders Guard to help enforce Mexican border
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Maybe the $500M is an extension of that policy from Bush?

$500 Million National Guard Troops to alleviate the bite from Republicans charging that the Executive Branch isn't doing enough to keep "the illegals" from obtaining tax-paid services?

Very ironic charge if Republicans are going to criticize sending money to "protect" the border. Yes, we're in debt, be smart about it.

It could be called a tax credit to the military or whomever stands to benefit from it. Guards know how to spend their (your) money.

Illegal immigrant: "well I guess we won't be cross the border for now". Shrug. wait it out. $500 Million only amounts to a certain amount of hours.

spend that $500 million legalizing the illegals. No solution is perfect, but at least the approach is "better".
 
kokonut said:
2000 miles of our southern border. That's almost 1 National Guard for every 2 miles. How many miles of it is actually porous or have a weak link in it?
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Amnesty is still on the table. What are 1,200 troops for? The large influx of illegals AFTER amnesty?
 
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