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[PowerON]

AC cause warm global, did someone said?

 

[Capmeister]

I am total speechless about other what you said, but about this, oh come on! It's 425,000 years ago. How can the scientist discovered this?

Speachless why?

And scientists reconstruct past climate shifts via studying the following:

* Tree Rings
* Glacial Ice Cores
* Ocean Sediments - The ratio of oxygen 16 to oxygen 18 preserved in the steady rain of dead organisms.
* Radiocarbon dates of organic material
* Pollen samples found in packrat middens and lake bed samples.
* Variations in desert varnish coatings found on rocks in the arid southwest
* Variations found in peatbog deposits
* Sedimentary rock records.

Info from (and more there): Paleoclimatology

 

[Capmeister]

AC cause warm global, did someone said?

Air conditioners save lives. They use energy, sure, but all the actual unit does is remove heat and humidity from the inside and put it outside.

It basically works like your refrigerator, just on a larger scale. A compressor pump pushes a refrigerant through a coil. Warm air from your home is pulled in across the cooled coil and and air is cooled off. This causes the moisture in the air to precipitate (rain) to the AC's drain, and the now cooled, less humid air, is pushed back into the house. On the outside of the unit, the water is drained and the coolant warmed up is pushed through a coil where air from the outside transfers the heat in it to the air outside. Essentially, the unit takes air and humidity from the inside, and pushes it outside. But that's not adding to heat and humidity on the planet--it's merely pumping it out of a box (your home).

 

[Hwy99]

Speachless why?

And scientists reconstruct past climate shifts via studying the following:

* Tree Rings
* Glacial Ice Cores
* Ocean Sediments - The ratio of oxygen 16 to oxygen 18 preserved in the steady rain of dead organisms.
* Radiocarbon dates of organic material
* Pollen samples found in packrat middens and lake bed samples.
* Variations in desert varnish coatings found on rocks in the arid southwest
* Variations found in peatbog deposits
* Sedimentary rock records.

Info from (and more there): Paleoclimatology

I give up again.

 

[Capmeister]

I give up again.

Difficult to debate without facts, isn't it?

 

[jillio]

In South Carolina, we're enjoying the longest, coolest spring in many years.

I could never support the Green Party because they support eugenics.

Wow! That link is a distortion of socialist theories, eugenic philosophies, and the Green movement. Hitler was a Nazi, not a socialist. Just because he he opposed the capitalist form of economics and government didn't make him a socialist. Marx was in opposition as well, but he wasn't a socialist, either. And Hitler suscribed to a hard form of eugenics--one of the extreme philosophies. Alexander Graham Bell promoted the eugenic movement in America as well, based onthe concept of the well born. His was simply a milder approach to reach the same goal.

 

[jillio]

Exactly how do you know it was warmer in medeval times? Where is your proof of that?

I know that the climate is changing because it hardly ever snows in winter now in the UK. When it does snow it's not proper snow that sticks. Just slushy stuff that's gone by the next day.

Just think logically. Do you really think that man can pollute the environment the way he is doing and not cause permament damage?

Global warming does not simply refer to an increase in temperatures, but ot extremes in temperatures--cold included. And I do believe that we have seen an increase in the extremes of temperatures in all seasons. And didn't you know dreama, MAN is invincible!!

 

[Boult]

Wow! That link is a distortion of socialist theories, eugenic philosophies, and the Green movement. Hitler was a Nazi, not a socialist. Just because he he opposed the capitalist form of economics and government didn't make him a socialist. Marx was in opposition as well, but he wasn't a socialist, either. And Hitler suscribed to a hard form of eugenics--one of the extreme philosophies. Alexander Graham Bell promoted the eugenic movement in America as well, based onthe concept of the well born. His was simply a milder approach to reach the same goal.

Actually Nazi = National Socialism
Nazism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Air conditioners save lives.

Well, I disagree that AC save lives. It can affect your health...

I don´t have any AC in my house but every roller shutters. I'm glad to have roller-shutters. It protect our rooms cool when the hot weather comes and it also protect our rooms warm when the cold weather comes.

I remember heat waves in Europe. Thousand of French were being killed through heat waves because they can´t afford to have AC to keep their room cool due electricity expenses. Germans advised them to use roller-shutter to help their rooms cool... 90% of Germans included us own roller-shutters for every window and terrace doors... During heat waves, we stayed in house to keep cool ourselves.. (I never forget, it was 108 degree at that time in 2003 - thanks to roller-shutters).

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[Reba]

...Alexander Graham Bell promoted the eugenic movement in America as well, based onthe concept of the well born. His was simply a milder approach to reach the same goal.

Milder? He was against Deaf couples marrying each other and bearing children. Well, I guess that's "milder" than sending them to the ovens.

 

[dreama]

Global warming does not simply refer to an increase in temperatures, but ot extremes in temperatures--cold included. And I do believe that we have seen an increase in the extremes of temperatures in all seasons. And didn't you know dreama, MAN is invincible!!

He is???

I know about fluctiation in weather certainly. Last week it was really hot like middle of summer. I have to keep Jilli cool. Then this week it was extremely cold and rainy. I went back to wearing my winter coat. Yesterday was hot and today even hotter.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I wasn't talking about any particular system--I was making that point that in general system both rewards non-productive people, and is also immoral because it forces people to work for someone else.

Okay, I will try to quote some of your post and will make comparision.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes it´s same here in Germany as well ...

You can see the difference between Jan 2006 (13.5%) and now April 2007 (10.6%). It shows improve as well but it would takes time...

Accord TV News of yesterday.

Updated in May is 9.2% Unemployment Rate.

 

[Reba]

Well, I disagree that AC save lives. It can affect your health...

We really need the AC in the Southeast. It not only cools the air, it also removes the humidity. The humidity is the worst thing about summer here.

I don´t have any AC in my house but every roller shutters. I'm glad to have roller-shutters. It protect our rooms cool when the hot weather comes and it also protect our rooms warm when the cold weather comes.

I'm curious; if the shutters block out the sun, don't they make the rooms dark? Also, if they're closed during the day (I assume they are if you are keeping out the summer sun), how do you enjoy the outdoor views? I ask the questions because I've never seen them in anyone's houses here, so I don't know what they're like. I've seen the websites and pictures but that's not the same as personal experience. Hubby saw them when he was in Germany, and I know they're popular in Europe but not many people is the USA have them yet.

I would like to have roller shutters for hurricane protection but not the rest of the time.

I remember heat waves in Europe. Thousand of French were being killed through heat waves because they can´t afford to have AC to keep their room cool due electricity expenses.

Yes, that was awful. Many elderly French died because their caretakers and medical staffs were on long vacations, and didn't want to work. Very sad.

... During heat waves, we stayed in house to keep cool ourselves.. (I never forget, it was 108 degree at that time in 2003 - thanks to roller-shutters).

What was the temperature indoors with the shutters?

 

[dreama]

Difficult to debate without facts, isn't it?

Oh there are plenty of facts. I tend to focus more on Animal Rights issues. I find global warming and the idea of the world comming to an end extremely upsetting. I will try and read up more about all this and will soon be able to argue with you on a more knowledgable basis.

In the mean time I have personal experience that proves pollution does exist. I've already comented on the lack of snow that sticks. Also I am unable to let Jilli go swimming in some lakes because there are notices up that say warning about green algie which is very bad for you. Are you saying that these notices were also up 1000 years ago?

Also I'm wondering: Air conditioning wasn't around 1000 years ago. How come mankind didn't die out through heatstroke?

Look at it this way. If your theries are right we still don't have much to lose by cutting down on pollution. However, if as I believe, the man made globel theory is right then by NOT cutting down on pollution we could be putting all our lives in danger.

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

i accually wanted to vote both TAX and illegal Immagration

if the taxes goes up. the problem can happen. for example higher property tax (i know its under county) can cause more foreclosures, I'm aware and i agree with the riches.. the riches pay a hefty large loads of taxes.. even if they increase 1% it will hurt them even more. for example if a person earns 1 million dollars a year.. and it increase by 1% for tax bracket then their income taxes for federal alone will increase to $10,000 a year.. plus then they have to pay state, and city(if there's one) $10,000 hurts them because they work hard to earn that money.

yeah i know it seems like $10,000 is nothing to them but its something we need to think about their income. not that they only pay federal taxes. they also pay state, city(*if theres one) social security tax, medicare tax (if there's one)

i believe 1 million is on 35% or 38% bracket.. so if it is 35% bracket then their federal income tax is $350,000... this is a big money and a huge loss for them. which left them $650,000 for state, (city), social security, (medicad) taxes.. all states and city are different on those tax but social security can be different depends on if you own a business you pay more social security tax than working with a company that pays half of ur social security tax.




**** now for illegal immargations...
I have a HUGE concern with those. myself lived in a small town in minnesota, Willmar, mn and worked at wal-mart there.
they have a huge mexican population there because the company Jennie-o (a turkey company) hires them.. and yes they pay them good.
some of them are Illegal immaragion. and works there still and been paid good.
some companies there give cash only. and they don't pay taxes

anyway as working at wal-mart.. many of those mexicans are sending their money such as $300 every week, month to mexico through wire transfers.
and yeah some of them can't speak english, even some of them don't have drivers license and they still drive. just because they can't get drivers license due to non-us citizen. other factor.. illegal immargations is a big gain for some companies because they can be glad and pay them lower than the min-wage such as $4 a hour... which is a harm to the country. they're really willing to work for $4 a hour. keep in mind.. if companies pay that much.. they won't enter in their system for government to see.. because paying below min-wage is illegal. means they're not paying tax.

other thing that worries me is they damage our nature, damage our repuption(sp?), damage our neighboors.

the more i see them move in the more the neighboors looks bad with all the littering, not keeping their home nice, etc etc. this is one of the main reasons why i moved out that town because it is losing my value of my home even i'm trying to keep it looking nice while the others are keeping it ugly and not well maintain.

and the more illegal immaragations are mexicans, cubas. they can simply walk and walk miles to go into u.s. border instead of using a street. and WE don't know WHO they are.. what if they're MURDERS, what if they're THEIFS, what if they are HURTING us. you can't predict what will happen.

and the more they come.. the more they try to become us citizen then use ur tax dollars to help them with their (low income) it will hurt us too as well.

and the unemployee rate will go up once more they come and get a job.. left us looking harder.

one more thing i want to say and i know its long....
many countries are having restriction while we don't have it for any immargations. and i'm glad BUSH is acting this up faster now than ever before. we don't need to see the US get so crowded just like china.. i want the nature to be green, to have plenty of forest, to have plenty of farmland, to have plenty of green meadows, plains, and water. they are ruining it and they are hurting us, they are damaging our country's encominic(sp?)

again sorry for a long post.. just express my feelings

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

Global warming does not simply refer to an increase in temperatures, but ot extremes in temperatures--cold included. And I do believe that we have seen an increase in the extremes of temperatures in all seasons. And didn't you know dreama, MAN is invincible!!

and umm.. i remember back than maybe a year ago.. that earth isn't the only planet that is experiencing global warming.. Mars is the one that experience global warming too as well.. cuz their dry ice caps are melting over the years.

 

[Reba]

...In the mean time I have personal experience that proves pollution does exist.

I don't think anyone denies that pollution exists. The disagreement might be about the long-term effects of pollution.

... there are notices up that say warning about green algie which is very bad for you. Are you saying that these notices were also up 1000 years ago?

The big difference is, most people either didn't care about it 1,000 years ago, or they figured there wasn't anything they could do about it. There certainly weren't any reps from the EPA posting any signs anywhere.

Also I'm wondering: Air conditioning wasn't around 1000 years ago. How come mankind didn't die out through heatstroke?

Sometimes people did die from the heat and drought. Many areas that are now crowded were sparsely populated 1,000 because of the climate. Have you noticed that the big growth in population in Florida, South Carolina, Arizona, etc., has happened since the invention of AC? What would Las Vegas be without AC?

In most places, it's not impossible to live without AC, but modern productivity and lifestyle certainly suffer without it. Without AC, many places would still be virtually uninhabitable.

... we still don't have much to lose by cutting down on pollution.

I think most reasonable people agree that we should be good stewards of our environment and resources.

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

In most places, it's not impossible to live without AC, but modern productivity and lifestyle certainly suffer without it. Without AC, many places would still be virtually uninhabitable.

very well said here.. just think of the animals that marigate from north to south.
the birds here maragate to south during winter because they can't handle cold weather, as well as they can't handle hot weather.
and they don't use A/C

 

[Capmeister]

Oh there are plenty of facts. I tend to focus more on Animal Rights issues. I find global warming and the idea of the world comming to an end extremely upsetting. I will try and read up more about all this and will soon be able to argue with you on a more knowledgable basis.

In the mean time I have personal experience that proves pollution does exist.

I never claimed it didn't. And I'm all for conservation and keeping as clean an environment as we can without hurting people. But you have to do things on a risk/reward basis. We could stop using all oil and coal right now and it might improve the environment, but people would die in large numbers.

I think we should focus on alternative feules and cleaner ways of living... but I don't think we should do anything that would destroy our economy to stave off a problem that could be completely natural for the most part.

I think we affect our local envionrment far more than the global environment.