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If God supposedly hates anyone of the GLBT community than why does the bible say that God makes no mistakes and he created us all in his image? Just a thought I had.
 
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Why does God made us? He made us as who we are, period.

Other than that, please respect Alex's forum. :thumb:
 
Sorry it wasn't meant as a religion thread it was a why do ignorant straight people use it to slander anyone of the GLBT community when it doesn't make sense kinda those do they really realize that they are saying? and how it makes no sense and contridicts it's self
 
Lil_country_gal said:
If God supposedly hates anyone of the GLBT community than why does the bible say that God makes no mistakes and he created us all in his image? Just a thought I had.
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Well, God made a mistake. He fucked up. No one is perfect.

Or... God doesn't exist and we are the way we are. :dunno:
 
VamPyroX said:
Well, God made a mistake. He fucked up. No one is perfect.

Or... God doesn't exist and we are the way we are. :dunno:
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Well again i was just thinking of the way ignorant straight usually christians throw it into glbt's faces yet they turn around and say to their other straight christian friends that god makes no mistakes and we are all created in his image. I kinda thought of this cause when i was on a church trip we got into a conversation about people of the glbt community and they were saying how it's a choice because god made us all straight and it's wrong yadee yadee yada. Than we started talking about people with disabilities which if you look are supposedly unclean people and they were saying how that was crap because god created us all equal and we are made in god's image and since god makes no mistakes they can't be unclean. Now my church doesn't know i'm bi. so i had to sit there and laugh quietly to myself and how they were sititng there contridicting themselves
 
Lil_country_gal said:
Well again i was just thinking of the way ignorant straight usually christians throw it into glbt's faces yet they turn around and say to their other straight christian friends that god makes no mistakes and we are all created in his image. I kinda thought of this cause when i was on a church trip we got into a conversation about people of the glbt community and they were saying how it's a choice because god made us all straight and it's wrong yadee yadee yada. Than we started talking about people with disabilities which if you look are supposedly unclean people and they were saying how that was crap because god created us all equal and we are made in god's image and since god makes no mistakes they can't be unclean. Now my church doesn't know i'm bi. so i had to sit there and laugh quietly to myself and how they were sititng there contridicting themselves
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Yeah, that kind of thing can be cruel.

However, it can't always be "an eye for an eye" for everyone and everything.

If straight people are cruel, that doesn't mean that GLBT people can be cruel as well.

I've seen GLBT people act very cruel towards me.

Last summer at a party, a girl asked me... "Are you against or for GLBT marriage?" My answer was, "I don't really care if they get married. If they got married, I'd congratulate them and show them my support." She started getting pissy about it. Her lesbian friend got involved in the conversation and both tried to get me to say whether I was for or against it.

As a result, they got other people thinking that I was against GLBT.
 
VamPyroX said:
Yeah, that kind of thing can be cruel.

However, it can't always be "an eye for an eye" for everyone and everything.

If straight people are cruel, that doesn't mean that GLBT people can be cruel as well.

I've seen GLBT people act very cruel towards me.

Last summer at a party, a girl asked me... "Are you against or for GLBT marriage?" My answer was, "I don't really care if they get married. If they got married, I'd congratulate them and show them my support." She started getting pissy about it. Her lesbian friend got involved in the conversation and both tried to get me to say whether I was for or against it.

As a result, they got other people thinking that I was against GLBT.
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Yeah I am with you. I don't like when GLBT tell me that I shouldn't social with straight people because I was bi. I usually feel comfortable with the neutral people compare to people who overpowered on people with their opinions.
 
PuyoPiyo said:
Yeah I am with you. I don't like when GLBT tell me that I shouldn't social with straight people because I was bi. I usually feel comfortable with the neutral people compare to people who overpowered on people with their opinions.
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I've been accused of a lot of things over small things.

Some ask me, "Are you open?" Of course, I'm open. I don't always hide things and I share a lot with others. However, they say that when I'm open... I'm willing to be gay. When I tell them no, they accuse me of being homophobic.

Some ask me if I'm gay, I say no. They then accuse me of being homophobic.

Some say that if I hug another guy, I'm gay.

Some say that if I like rainbows, I'm gay.

I have a female friend who loves rainbows. She's straight, but many women hit on her because they think she's gay. When she reminded them that she was straight, some of them would accuse her of making a mockery out of the GLBT society by liking rainbows.
 
VamPyroX said:
I've been accused of a lot of things over small things.

Some ask me, "Are you open?" Of course, I'm open. I don't always hide things and I share a lot with others. However, they say that when I'm open... I'm willing to be gay. When I tell them no, they accuse me of being homophobic.

Some ask me if I'm gay, I say no. They then accuse me of being homophobic.

Some say that if I hug another guy, I'm gay.

Some say that if I like rainbows, I'm gay.

I have a female friend who loves rainbows. She's straight, but many women hit on her because they think she's gay. When she reminded them that she was straight, some of them would accuse her of making a mockery out of the GLBT society by liking rainbows.
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I can tell how sucks it is for you.. People are the people. Some of them don't understand, some of them do.

I don't believe in being open then that person have to be gay. It's all bullshit.. I guess some of GLBT even don't understand the straight people, ne?
 
That's funny...

Many people have no idea that GLBT and Deaf cultures are MUCH SIMILAR in sooo many ways. Many GLBT people don't like to be around straight people because of the past. Many deaf people don't like to be around hearing people because of the past. GLBT are very comfortable to hang out with another GLBT because they're in same culture. Deaf people are very comfortable to be with another Deaf people because they're in same culture.

My friend, Jeffry wrote an amazing blog on myspace,

As you all know, I'm currently in school studying to become an American Sign Language interpreter for the Deaf. Throughout the past few semesters, I have learned so much about the Deaf community and the culture of the Deaf. During this period, I have come to realize just how shockingly, and almost downright chilling, the Gay community and Deaf community are very much alike. The list of similarities could quite possibly get into the hundreds, but I will list some of the things I have observed:

1) 90% of Deaf children are born to hearing parents (meaning that only 10% of deaf children are born to parents who are deaf). The news of a child being deaf comes quite as a surprise and shock to the hearing parents. Many, if not all, of these hearing parents feel a sense of great loss when a child is found out to be deaf.

In the gay community, it is a very common occurrence for the parents of a gay or lesbian individual to experience a huge sense of loss upon the news of their child being gay. These reactions are very similar in nature.

2) The overwhelming majority of our society has a negative view of deafness. What this means is that our society views being deaf as an "impairment" and a disability. This is manifest in society's usage of the term "hearing impaired". In this view, it is assumed that ALL people are "normally" hearing, and a small minority are "impaired", i.e. the d/Deaf. Society enforces the notion that the ideal is to be hearing.

This is extremely similar to the view that society has in regards to homosexuality and the gay community. Our society tends to view being heterosexual as the "norm" and being homosexual as out of the "norm". Our society also places much preference to heterosexuality, enforcing an idea that being heterosexual is better than being homosexual. This is exactly the same when in regards to the deaf. Our society tells us that being hearing is better than being d/Deaf.

3) Society's negative, pathological view of deafness, also places huge amount of emphasis on trying to make d/Deaf people as "hearing" as possible. This means trying to make deaf people speak and function like "normal" hearing people would. These views tend to believe that deafness is something that needs to be "fixed".

Likewise, our society's very negative views of homosexuality, tell all of us gay and lesbian individuals that we need to "change" and become heterosexual. Our being gay is something that is "abnormal". The same idea is placed on the deaf community. Being deaf is viewed as being "abnormal" and out of the "norm".

4) As far as the Civil Rights arena, the deaf community and the gay community have had very similar moments in history that captivated the communities.

In June of 1969, the Stonewall Inn riots in New York City began what we now know as the modern gay and lesbian liberation and civil rights movement. This event in 1969 started as a result of a police raid of a gay bar (the Stonewall Inn). In those days, it was a rather common occurrence for police to go into a gay bar and raid it and then take gay people to jail, simply as a way to "pick on them". However, during this particular time, the gays were not going to allow this harrassment to occur. The gays fought back for 2 days and rioted in the streets around the Stonewall Inn in New York City. Their courage won out. As a result of that event, the gay community became more and more organized and started building the massive gay civil rights movement that we now know of today. This event also showed the world that gay people deserve to be treated with absolute equality with everyone else.

The Deaf community has a similar moment in American history like the gay community has. Their defining moment came in 1988 in what is called "Deaf President Now". This event happened in Washington, D.C. at Gallaudet University, the only university in the world for deaf people. Gallaudet University was established in the mid 1800s by a man named Thomas Gallaudet. For over 100 hundred years (up until 1988) Gallaudet University had a hearing person as the president of the university. However, in 1988, the position of the presidency became vacant. There were several deaf as well as hearing people who applied for the presidency of Gallaudet. Deaf people all over the United States and the world thought that a deaf person would be elected president of Gallaudet for the first time in history. To their shock, a hearing person was selected to be the president. What occurred after that was a week-long protest of d/Deaf people from all over the United States and the world in the streets of Washington, D.C. demanding that the new hearing president resign and that a Deaf person be placed as the president of Gallaudet. After several days of protests and extensive media coverage (which quite possibly created more deaf awareness than any other moment in history), the d/Deaf people's protest won out, and the hearing president was replaced with a deaf person. This was a pivotal moment in history for the deaf. For once, it showed that Deaf people are just as normal as everyone else and deserve to be treated equally.

5) To share a more sadder note in history, is the fact that both homosexuals and deaf individuals were placed in the horrible Nazi holocaust by Adolf Hitler. Both homosexuals and deaf people were viewed as "deformed" people that need to be exterminated.

6) Growing up in a society that places preference over being hearing than being d/Deaf, some deaf children grow up resenting the fact that they are deaf. This is exactly the same for gay and lesbian children who grow up to loathe the fact that they are homosexual. In the gay world, our term for this is "internalized homophobia". I personally think that it is very sad that this happens. People should be accepted just the way that they are.



Much of this may come as a shock to many of you. It may completely shatter ideas that many of you have about deafness and d/Deaf people. Many deaf people do not consider themselves to be disabled people or abnormal. I tend to agree with their assement. It is true that d/Deaf people cannot hear. But really, that is not what this so-called "disability" is all about. What is really the "disability" is the fact that d/Deaf people rely on and use different communication systems than what us hearing people use. As hearing people, we rely on speaking (using our mouth and tongue) to form language and therefore be able to communicate. d/Deaf people rely on visual methods of communication, and Sign Languages, like American Sign Language. As a result of this, there is a clash between the two methods of communication. This is where the idea of being "disabled" comes into play. The real "disableness" arises from the communication barrier between deaf and hearing people. My view is that the hearing world is "disabled" for not being able to communicate with deaf people.

If all people in the world were deaf, there would be no such thing as deaf being a "disability". To label deaf people "hearing impaired" individuals is rather insulting in my opinion. As a gay person, it would be the equivalent of someone labeling me and other gay people heterosexually impaired. The idea and concept is the same.

These were just a small few of the examples of how the Deaf-World and the Gay world are chillingly similar to one another.

As a gay person, I'm extremely thrilled to be getting involved in a community that I can relate to on so many levels. The oppression that gays face is shockingly similar to what deaf people face everyday. For this, I'm falling in love with the deaf community more and more each day.
 
MetroGuy03 said:
That's funny...

Many people have no idea that GLBT and Deaf cultures are MUCH SIMILAR in sooo many ways. Many GLBT people don't like to be around straight people because of the past. Many deaf people don't like to be around hearing people because of the past. GLBT are very comfortable to hang out with another GLBT because they're in same culture. Deaf people are very comfortable to be with another Deaf people because they're in same culture.

My friend, Jeffry wrote an amazing blog on myspace,

As you all know, I'm currently in school studying to become an American Sign Language interpreter for the Deaf. Throughout the past few semesters, I have learned so much about the Deaf community and the culture of the Deaf. During this period, I have come to realize just how shockingly, and almost downright chilling, the Gay community and Deaf community are very much alike. The list of similarities could quite possibly get into the hundreds, but I will list some of the things I have observed:

1) 90% of Deaf children are born to hearing parents (meaning that only 10% of deaf children are born to parents who are deaf). The news of a child being deaf comes quite as a surprise and shock to the hearing parents. Many, if not all, of these hearing parents feel a sense of great loss when a child is found out to be deaf.

In the gay community, it is a very common occurrence for the parents of a gay or lesbian individual to experience a huge sense of loss upon the news of their child being gay. These reactions are very similar in nature.

2) The overwhelming majority of our society has a negative view of deafness. What this means is that our society views being deaf as an "impairment" and a disability. This is manifest in society's usage of the term "hearing impaired". In this view, it is assumed that ALL people are "normally" hearing, and a small minority are "impaired", i.e. the d/Deaf. Society enforces the notion that the ideal is to be hearing.

This is extremely similar to the view that society has in regards to homosexuality and the gay community. Our society tends to view being heterosexual as the "norm" and being homosexual as out of the "norm". Our society also places much preference to heterosexuality, enforcing an idea that being heterosexual is better than being homosexual. This is exactly the same when in regards to the deaf. Our society tells us that being hearing is better than being d/Deaf.

3) Society's negative, pathological view of deafness, also places huge amount of emphasis on trying to make d/Deaf people as "hearing" as possible. This means trying to make deaf people speak and function like "normal" hearing people would. These views tend to believe that deafness is something that needs to be "fixed".

Likewise, our society's very negative views of homosexuality, tell all of us gay and lesbian individuals that we need to "change" and become heterosexual. Our being gay is something that is "abnormal". The same idea is placed on the deaf community. Being deaf is viewed as being "abnormal" and out of the "norm".

4) As far as the Civil Rights arena, the deaf community and the gay community have had very similar moments in history that captivated the communities.

In June of 1969, the Stonewall Inn riots in New York City began what we now know as the modern gay and lesbian liberation and civil rights movement. This event in 1969 started as a result of a police raid of a gay bar (the Stonewall Inn). In those days, it was a rather common occurrence for police to go into a gay bar and raid it and then take gay people to jail, simply as a way to "pick on them". However, during this particular time, the gays were not going to allow this harrassment to occur. The gays fought back for 2 days and rioted in the streets around the Stonewall Inn in New York City. Their courage won out. As a result of that event, the gay community became more and more organized and started building the massive gay civil rights movement that we now know of today. This event also showed the world that gay people deserve to be treated with absolute equality with everyone else.

The Deaf community has a similar moment in American history like the gay community has. Their defining moment came in 1988 in what is called "Deaf President Now". This event happened in Washington, D.C. at Gallaudet University, the only university in the world for deaf people. Gallaudet University was established in the mid 1800s by a man named Thomas Gallaudet. For over 100 hundred years (up until 1988) Gallaudet University had a hearing person as the president of the university. However, in 1988, the position of the presidency became vacant. There were several deaf as well as hearing people who applied for the presidency of Gallaudet. Deaf people all over the United States and the world thought that a deaf person would be elected president of Gallaudet for the first time in history. To their shock, a hearing person was selected to be the president. What occurred after that was a week-long protest of d/Deaf people from all over the United States and the world in the streets of Washington, D.C. demanding that the new hearing president resign and that a Deaf person be placed as the president of Gallaudet. After several days of protests and extensive media coverage (which quite possibly created more deaf awareness than any other moment in history), the d/Deaf people's protest won out, and the hearing president was replaced with a deaf person. This was a pivotal moment in history for the deaf. For once, it showed that Deaf people are just as normal as everyone else and deserve to be treated equally.

5) To share a more sadder note in history, is the fact that both homosexuals and deaf individuals were placed in the horrible Nazi holocaust by Adolf Hitler. Both homosexuals and deaf people were viewed as "deformed" people that need to be exterminated.

6) Growing up in a society that places preference over being hearing than being d/Deaf, some deaf children grow up resenting the fact that they are deaf. This is exactly the same for gay and lesbian children who grow up to loathe the fact that they are homosexual. In the gay world, our term for this is "internalized homophobia". I personally think that it is very sad that this happens. People should be accepted just the way that they are.



Much of this may come as a shock to many of you. It may completely shatter ideas that many of you have about deafness and d/Deaf people. Many deaf people do not consider themselves to be disabled people or abnormal. I tend to agree with their assement. It is true that d/Deaf people cannot hear. But really, that is not what this so-called "disability" is all about. What is really the "disability" is the fact that d/Deaf people rely on and use different communication systems than what us hearing people use. As hearing people, we rely on speaking (using our mouth and tongue) to form language and therefore be able to communicate. d/Deaf people rely on visual methods of communication, and Sign Languages, like American Sign Language. As a result of this, there is a clash between the two methods of communication. This is where the idea of being "disabled" comes into play. The real "disableness" arises from the communication barrier between deaf and hearing people. My view is that the hearing world is "disabled" for not being able to communicate with deaf people.

If all people in the world were deaf, there would be no such thing as deaf being a "disability". To label deaf people "hearing impaired" individuals is rather insulting in my opinion. As a gay person, it would be the equivalent of someone labeling me and other gay people heterosexually impaired. The idea and concept is the same.

These were just a small few of the examples of how the Deaf-World and the Gay world are chillingly similar to one another.

As a gay person, I'm extremely thrilled to be getting involved in a community that I can relate to on so many levels. The oppression that gays face is shockingly similar to what deaf people face everyday. For this, I'm falling in love with the deaf community more and more each day.
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excellent comment there...

MetroGuy03 said:
For this, I'm falling in love with the deaf community more and more each day.
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Since you joined AD, I thought you were Deaf but oops hearing. You could could fit a category being :deaf: ALMOST
 
MetroGuy03 said:
That's funny...

Many people have no idea that GLBT and Deaf cultures are MUCH SIMILAR in sooo many ways. Many GLBT people don't like to be around straight people because of the past. Many deaf people don't like to be around hearing people because of the past. GLBT are very comfortable to hang out with another GLBT because they're in same culture. Deaf people are very comfortable to be with another Deaf people because they're in same culture.

My friend, Jeffry wrote an amazing blog on myspace,

As you all know, I'm currently in school studying to become an American Sign Language interpreter for the Deaf. Throughout the past few semesters, I have learned so much about the Deaf community and the culture of the Deaf. During this period, I have come to realize just how shockingly, and almost downright chilling, the Gay community and Deaf community are very much alike. The list of similarities could quite possibly get into the hundreds, but I will list some of the things I have observed:

1) 90% of Deaf children are born to hearing parents (meaning that only 10% of deaf children are born to parents who are deaf). The news of a child being deaf comes quite as a surprise and shock to the hearing parents. Many, if not all, of these hearing parents feel a sense of great loss when a child is found out to be deaf.

In the gay community, it is a very common occurrence for the parents of a gay or lesbian individual to experience a huge sense of loss upon the news of their child being gay. These reactions are very similar in nature.

2) The overwhelming majority of our society has a negative view of deafness. What this means is that our society views being deaf as an "impairment" and a disability. This is manifest in society's usage of the term "hearing impaired". In this view, it is assumed that ALL people are "normally" hearing, and a small minority are "impaired", i.e. the d/Deaf. Society enforces the notion that the ideal is to be hearing.

This is extremely similar to the view that society has in regards to homosexuality and the gay community. Our society tends to view being heterosexual as the "norm" and being homosexual as out of the "norm". Our society also places much preference to heterosexuality, enforcing an idea that being heterosexual is better than being homosexual. This is exactly the same when in regards to the deaf. Our society tells us that being hearing is better than being d/Deaf.

3) Society's negative, pathological view of deafness, also places huge amount of emphasis on trying to make d/Deaf people as "hearing" as possible. This means trying to make deaf people speak and function like "normal" hearing people would. These views tend to believe that deafness is something that needs to be "fixed".

Likewise, our society's very negative views of homosexuality, tell all of us gay and lesbian individuals that we need to "change" and become heterosexual. Our being gay is something that is "abnormal". The same idea is placed on the deaf community. Being deaf is viewed as being "abnormal" and out of the "norm".

4) As far as the Civil Rights arena, the deaf community and the gay community have had very similar moments in history that captivated the communities.

In June of 1969, the Stonewall Inn riots in New York City began what we now know as the modern gay and lesbian liberation and civil rights movement. This event in 1969 started as a result of a police raid of a gay bar (the Stonewall Inn). In those days, it was a rather common occurrence for police to go into a gay bar and raid it and then take gay people to jail, simply as a way to "pick on them". However, during this particular time, the gays were not going to allow this harrassment to occur. The gays fought back for 2 days and rioted in the streets around the Stonewall Inn in New York City. Their courage won out. As a result of that event, the gay community became more and more organized and started building the massive gay civil rights movement that we now know of today. This event also showed the world that gay people deserve to be treated with absolute equality with everyone else.

The Deaf community has a similar moment in American history like the gay community has. Their defining moment came in 1988 in what is called "Deaf President Now". This event happened in Washington, D.C. at Gallaudet University, the only university in the world for deaf people. Gallaudet University was established in the mid 1800s by a man named Thomas Gallaudet. For over 100 hundred years (up until 1988) Gallaudet University had a hearing person as the president of the university. However, in 1988, the position of the presidency became vacant. There were several deaf as well as hearing people who applied for the presidency of Gallaudet. Deaf people all over the United States and the world thought that a deaf person would be elected president of Gallaudet for the first time in history. To their shock, a hearing person was selected to be the president. What occurred after that was a week-long protest of d/Deaf people from all over the United States and the world in the streets of Washington, D.C. demanding that the new hearing president resign and that a Deaf person be placed as the president of Gallaudet. After several days of protests and extensive media coverage (which quite possibly created more deaf awareness than any other moment in history), the d/Deaf people's protest won out, and the hearing president was replaced with a deaf person. This was a pivotal moment in history for the deaf. For once, it showed that Deaf people are just as normal as everyone else and deserve to be treated equally.

5) To share a more sadder note in history, is the fact that both homosexuals and deaf individuals were placed in the horrible Nazi holocaust by Adolf Hitler. Both homosexuals and deaf people were viewed as "deformed" people that need to be exterminated.

6) Growing up in a society that places preference over being hearing than being d/Deaf, some deaf children grow up resenting the fact that they are deaf. This is exactly the same for gay and lesbian children who grow up to loathe the fact that they are homosexual. In the gay world, our term for this is "internalized homophobia". I personally think that it is very sad that this happens. People should be accepted just the way that they are.



Much of this may come as a shock to many of you. It may completely shatter ideas that many of you have about deafness and d/Deaf people. Many deaf people do not consider themselves to be disabled people or abnormal. I tend to agree with their assement. It is true that d/Deaf people cannot hear. But really, that is not what this so-called "disability" is all about. What is really the "disability" is the fact that d/Deaf people rely on and use different communication systems than what us hearing people use. As hearing people, we rely on speaking (using our mouth and tongue) to form language and therefore be able to communicate. d/Deaf people rely on visual methods of communication, and Sign Languages, like American Sign Language. As a result of this, there is a clash between the two methods of communication. This is where the idea of being "disabled" comes into play. The real "disableness" arises from the communication barrier between deaf and hearing people. My view is that the hearing world is "disabled" for not being able to communicate with deaf people.

If all people in the world were deaf, there would be no such thing as deaf being a "disability". To label deaf people "hearing impaired" individuals is rather insulting in my opinion. As a gay person, it would be the equivalent of someone labeling me and other gay people heterosexually impaired. The idea and concept is the same.

These were just a small few of the examples of how the Deaf-World and the Gay world are chillingly similar to one another.

As a gay person, I'm extremely thrilled to be getting involved in a community that I can relate to on so many levels. The oppression that gays face is shockingly similar to what deaf people face everyday. For this, I'm falling in love with the deaf community more and more each day.
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Yeah, each people are different, all has different POVs, no matter if religion or not, each are different. I'm christian myself, and even some saying Im not a christian bec I'm gay. Then if so, then if people call themselves christians and backstabbing and gossipping, then they aren't christian likewise. But yet, my faith stand, not as bigot way like lot of em are. But I agree, as Alex said, we cannot bring up to this subject, bec gonna be more heated debate. But problem I have, there heated debate on CI and also prolife and prochoice and still continue. So, things gone out of hand. But all I like to see is sharing the pov's instead of blaming on whatever and whoever their views are.
 
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