Sacrifice/religions

[christlovedeaf]

As all different perspectives about what we think God respects and love all religions and expect of each other as respect different religions. Many times humans get all the wrong ideas about love and respect. Thru the history of all different religions, God expect us of what He called us to do, not by what we think we should do for Him without what He called us to do. As I pondered the thought and ask God of this matter. Ask yourslef a question? Does God accept Baal? Does God accept the Egyptians, Babylonians, Caananites, Ai, Phillistines and other countries "religion" idols? Think about it for a moment. What about Moses, while he was with God, the hebrews had a rivalry and make golden calf image to think they worship God. Even different religions uses sacrifices, but why did God honors hebrews/jews sacrifice than others? The answer is they sacrifice idols as of their gods. Don't mistunderstood, God does not always honor the jewish sacrifice for numbers of reason. If u look thru the OT, God is a just God. God is a holy God, and sin cannot be tolerated. When Jesus came to become human like us, He experienced ALL kinds of temptations, but yet, NO sin. He's fully God and fully Man. He's the Sacrificial Lamb to bore ALL our sins. One thing is this, jewish in the OT respect all religions, and God wasn't please at all, and even they cried out for sorry of their sins of worshipping other religions. As of today, many jewish became christian does not mean they now in "new religion", bec its God's plan as NT align with the OT. Satan tries every way to pervert and using people to drawn people away for what God has planned. Very true, God is Love, but sin that draw us from Him, bec of His holiness and sin must be punish, that's why Jesus gave up His Glory to become human like us as I mentioned on other thread about Triune God (One God).

 

[Teresh]

As of today, many jewish became christian does not mean they now in "new religion", bec its God's plan as NT align with the OT.

Sorry, but I call bollocks on this one. That statement makes absolutely no logical sense.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Sorry, but I call bollocks on this one. That statement makes absolutely no logical sense.

I'm not really surprise. Religious leaders has similar problem, bec it doesn't make any sense to them. I can identify Jesus feeling for the religious leader during the night as Jesus wept for them, bec religious leaders studied so hard and still didn't get it shortsighted by what God is trying to say. Even tho, they are very smart and knwo everything but yet, still ignorant.

 

[darkflare83]

yeah i agree ot and nt supposed to aligned they even have it told that jesus is to be born and to be messiah in ot so nt was created for entirely that purpose

 

[christlovedeaf]

yeah i agree ot and nt supposed to aligned they even have it told that jesus is to be born and to be messiah in ot so nt was created for entirely that purpose

Exactly. Smile

 

[Teresh]

I'm not really surprise. Religious leaders has similar problem, bec it doesn't make any sense to them. I can identify Jesus feeling for the religious leader during the night as Jesus wept for them, bec religious leaders studied so hard and still didn't get it shortsighted by what God is trying to say. Even tho, they are very smart and knwo everything but yet, still ignorant.

So explain this to me: Why would God give human beings a revelation that doesn't make any sense? Is God so wicked that God would go out of God's way to confuse us?

I say no. God loves us, and as long as God loves us, God will give us answers that can, in general, be rationalised. Christian doctrine cannot be rationalised... Indeed, you say yourself that they are 'mysteries'.

'Mysteries'? OK, but I can't believe in a God that hates human beings so much that God has to tell them to take something on faith without giving them some kind of confirmation that it's real. Maybe you can, and if you can, that's great, I suppose. You would have stronger belief than I do because you've accepted the idea of a God without thinking.

But I would never compromise my intelligence and God-given reason to a God that would tell me I should deprive myself of God's gifts. If you don't use God's gifts, including reason, to their fullest, you are just denying that God created you in God's image.

And if you're doing that, you're just denying God's existence.

 

[christlovedeaf]

So explain this to me: Why would God give human beings a revelation that doesn't make any sense? Is God so wicked that God would go out of God's way to confuse us?

I say no. God loves us, and as long as God loves us, God will give us answers that can, in general, be rationalised. Christian doctrine cannot be rationalised... Indeed, you say yourself that they are 'mysteries'.

'Mysteries'? OK, but I can't believe in a God that hates human beings so much that God has to tell them to take something on faith without giving them some kind of confirmation that it's real. Maybe you can, and if you can, that's great, I suppose. You would have stronger belief than I do because you've accepted the idea of a God without thinking.

But I would never compromise my intelligence and God-given reason to a God that would tell me I should deprive myself of God's gifts. If you don't use God's gifts, including reason, to their fullest, you are just denying that God created you in God's image.

And if you're doing that, you're just denying God's existence.

Wow, you are waaaaaaaaay off and huge wrong perspective and not even the slightest of ur opinion by thinking that's how we believe and who we are. There is NO rationalization, and have NOTHING to do about you personally. Will it be cruel of a parents be doing every effort to find their child that been kidnapped? Sin is like kidnapped us, God pursuit us. Proof of His love thru His Son Jesus Christ to pay our sin debt in full. Sin is the one, Jesus taking our place. Sin destroying us, but God is saving us thru His Son, sinner and sin is different meaning. For example, when your child did something wrong, you punish your child, similar about our sins. Sin stained our lives, but God is holy God, and that stain can't enter the holiness just like you don't want car oil footprint allover your floor. So how can that remove? And wash? Obvious, the Blood. Just like Paul said, many think about the teaching of the cross is foolish. Bec of spiritual blindness and look at the pharisees and sadduccees attitude toward Jesus as they bragged of their "intelligence", yet Jesus said, you never get it, do you? Bec pharisees and sadduccees kept denying. Saying you may praise the Lord from your mouth, but your heart is soooo far. And that has nothing to do by "compromise" your intelligence at all. Its nothing but full of pride, without Jesus, is nothing but full of pride and arrogant. " I don't need Jesus stuff, I'm good enough, I'm smarter than you, why I need Jesus". Rejecting Jesus same as by saying, God (patting on self's back"), I don't need ur Son, I know what I'm doing, I'm smart, I m better than everyone else. Rejecting Jesus is like, I don't need God to help and work thru me, I'm doing it myself, bec I'm not a bad person. Truthfully, that has nothing to do about being a bad person, it has do with sin, sin robbed us from Him, and God pursuit us thru His Son.

 

[Teresh]

Sin is like kidnapped us, God pursuit us. Proof of His love thru His Son Jesus Christ to pay our sin debt in full.

Sin is an action. It cannot 'kidnap us'. Stop making up nonsense, please.

Bec of spiritual blindness and look at the pharisees and sadduccees attitude toward Jesus as they bragged of their "intelligence", yet Jesus said, you never get it, do you? Bec pharisees and sadduccees kept denying.

Kept denying Jesus? Besides the obviousness of that course of action giving history and the prophecies.

Saying you may praise the Lord from your mouth, but your heart is soooo far. And that has nothing to do by "compromise" your intelligence at all. Its nothing but full of pride, without Jesus, is nothing but full of pride and arrogant. "

Funny how all you need is Jesus and then you can be as wicked and prideful of a person as you want and still be good for Heaven because you're "saved". Such amoral conceptions of God cannot be defensible with the assumption that God loves Creation.

I don't need Jesus stuff, I'm good enough, I'm smarter than you, why I need Jesus". Rejecting Jesus same as by saying, God (patting on self's back"), I don't need ur Son, I know what I'm doing, I'm smart, I m better than everyone else.

A. Jesus is not God, so the statement breaks down in that problem.

B. Even if Jesus were God, God doesn't expect one to believe in God's existence, God expects you to behave well.

 

[christlovedeaf]

Sin is an action. It cannot 'kidnap us'. Stop making up nonsense, please.
FIRST, STOP THE ACCUSATION, 2ND, THAT'S UR OPINION BY WHAT U LOOK AT.


Kept denying Jesus? Besides the obviousness of that course of action giving history and the prophecies.
IN UR OPINION AND DENIAL


Funny how all you need is Jesus and then you can be as wicked and prideful of a person as you want and still be good for Heaven because you're "saved". Such amoral conceptions of God cannot be defensible with the assumption that God loves Creation.
WRONG! HAVE U HEARD THE WORD REPENTANCE? AND AGAIN, UR WRONG PERSPECTIVE.


A. Jesus is not God, so the statement breaks down in that problem.
THAT'S UR OPINION, I STICK WITH A FACT OF WHO HE IS.
B. Even if Jesus were God, God doesn't expect one to believe in God's existence, God expects you to behave well.

THAT'S ALSO YOUR OPINION AND WRONG PERSPECT AND DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

 

[Reba]

So explain this to me: Why would God give human beings a revelation that doesn't make any sense?

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

Is God so wicked that God would go out of God's way to confuse us?

No, God is not wicked. God is love. God is not the author of confusion. He gave us His Word clearly; it is our own minds that are clouded by human weaknesses and sin.

I Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

... Indeed, you say yourself that they are 'mysteries'.

'Mysteries'? OK, but I can't believe in a God that hates human beings so much that God has to tell them to take something on faith without giving them some kind of confirmation that it's real. Maybe you can, and if you can, that's great, I suppose. You would have stronger belief than I do because .

God is love, not hate. If God wasn't love, how could He have put up with us this long?

Throughout the Old and New Testaments God gave many miraculous proofs but people still refused to trust Him.

If someone doesn't want to believe then all the miracles and proof in the world won't change one's mind. And if someone is willing to believe, it won't require "proof" but faith.

...you've accepted the idea of a God without thinking.

That's a rather presumptuous statement; you can't know another person's thoughts (or lack of them). You don't really know what intellectual and spiritual struggles another goes thru prior to salvation.

But I would never compromise my intelligence and God-given reason to a God that would tell me I should deprive myself of God's gifts.

If you are truly and humbly seeking God then there is no compromise of intelligence or reason required to find Him. He won't deprive you of His gifts; He will bless you with additional gifts that will equip you to serve Him.

 

[Reba]

Sin is an action. It cannot 'kidnap us'. Stop making up nonsense, please.

Sin can captivate and control a person's life.

The gratuitous insult tacked onto your point really wasn't necessary.

Funny how all you need is Jesus and then you can be as wicked and prideful of a person as you want and still be good for Heaven because you're "saved". Such amoral conceptions of God cannot be defensible with the assumption that God loves Creation.

I've corrected this misconception of your's before in another thread.

Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

...God doesn't expect one to believe in God's existence, God expects you to behave well.

Do you have a Scripture to back up that statement?

God describes Job as "perfect". Apparently, God considers a "perfect" man as one who fears God. In order to fear God, one must believe in God's existence.

Job
1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

2:3 ...my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil...

 

[EagleCherokee63]

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Reba and christlovedeaf, AMEN!! God is love! Jesus Christ is GOD!!

KJV say here

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

People choose want one serve devil or Jesus Christ after Jesus died on cross.

 

[Teresh]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

If you think it makes sense, please explain it. I must be missing details if it makes sense to you and not me, no?

God is love, not hate. If God wasn't love, how could He have put up with us this long?

The world couldn't exist if God destroyed every sinner, nor could it exist if God sat back and did nothing.

Throughout the Old and New Testaments God gave many miraculous proofs but people still refused to trust Him.

This is irrelevant to the discussion.

That's a rather presumptuous statement; you can't know another person's thoughts (or lack of them). You don't really know what intellectual and spiritual struggles another goes thru prior to salvation.

It doesn't matter what kind of intellectual or spiritual struggles they've gone through. If they've stopped thinking, they've rejected God and placed themselves in God's place.

Sin can captivate and control a person's life.

Human beings have free will. So long as that is the case, the ability to sin or not to sin is under the control of the individual. Sin cannot rationally, therefore, control a person.

People control their thoughts, thoughts do not control people.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Sin never did have domination over anyone. See above.

Do you have a Scripture to back up that statement?

Moses? The rest of the prophets? I hope I don't need to list them all for you.

God describes Job as "perfect". Apparently, God considers a "perfect" man as one who fears God. In order to fear God, one must believe in God's existence.

No, apparently a "perfect" man is one who is righteous. I don't see where you've received the authority to insert 'belief in God' into that.

 

[Reba]

If you think it makes sense, please explain it. I must be missing details if it makes sense to you and not me, no?

If you ask me something specific, I will do my best to explain. However, I can't guarantee that you will understand or accept my explanation. It's like trying to describe colors to a person born completely blind. The colors are real but the person doesn't have the sense required to comprehend them.

To fully understand God's Word requires an additional "sense" and that sense is provided by the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit's help, fully discernment is impossible.

I Corinthians 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The world couldn't exist if God destroyed every sinner, nor could it exist if God sat back and did nothing.

I'm not quite sure what you mean that the world couldn't exist. God created the world, He sustains the world, and He can destroy it. The existence of the world doesn't depend on the existence of sinners. Since we are all sinners, if God did destroy every sinner there would be no people left in the world.

This is irrelevant to the discussion.

Just as I said; God provides proof but it gets dismissed as "irrelevant."

It doesn't matter what kind of intellectual or spiritual struggles they've gone through. If they've stopped thinking, they've rejected God and placed themselves in God's place.

Who says they "stopped thinking" just because they accepted Jesus as Savior and Lord? How is that putting themselves in God's place? Now that really doesn't make sense!

Human beings have free will. So long as that is the case, the ability to sin or not to sin is under the control of the individual. Sin cannot rationally, therefore, control a person.

Every one has the sin nature within; that is, the tendency toward sin. Each person does have free will as to whether or not they surrender to that tendancy. With each surrender and act of sin, the tendancy becomes stronger, and resistance becomes weaker. Sinful habits develope, and living a sinful way becomes more ingrained and even "acceptable".

John 8
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

People control their thoughts, thoughts do not control people.

People can't control the thoughts that pop into their minds but they can control what they do with those thoughts. They can embrace those thoughts, dwell on them, elaborate on them, and seek them out. Or, they can resist them, and replace them with wholesome thoughts, prayer, and Bible verses.

Thoughts then can become actions. Actions have consequences.

Moses? The rest of the prophets? I hope I don't need to list them all for you.

Not all, just some.

No, apparently a "perfect" man is one who is righteous. I don't see where you've received the authority to insert 'belief in God' into that.

I didn't "insert" anything; I quoted God's words from the Bible. God Himself called Job "perfect", and described Job as a man who feared God. God set the standard. If a "perfect" man is one who fears God, then that means God requires that people reverently fear Him. A person can't fear a God that he doesn't believe in, so obviously Job had to "believe in God." Because Job feared God and believed Him, Job lived a righteous life.

Without believing in God, no one can be righteous because one of the requirements of righteousness is belief in God.

People who didn't "believe in God" were NOT called "righteous".

2 Kings 17
7 For so it was, that the children of Israel had sinned against the LORD their God, which had brought them up out of the land of Egypt, from under the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and had feared other gods . . . 14 Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God.

If one does not believe in God, one doesn't obey His commandments, and one is not righteous.

 

[Maria]

If you ask me something specific, I will do my best to explain. However, I can't guarantee that you will understand or accept my explanation. It's like trying to describe colors to a person born completely blind. The colors are real but the person doesn't have the sense required to comprehend them.

The only problem is that when a person don't experience God, then he or she will NOT completely understand your explanation. A person must experience God first before he or she can completely understand the whole conception/or explanation.

 

[Liza]

Perhaps it is God's plan that human beings experience their faith in different ways. The idea that we should be the ones to say a religion is better than other religions as an attempt to convert people to that religion - is insulting to say in the least. Dress that with any self rationlizations you want, but it is still something dark and dense in its naked form.

 

[Maria]

FYI, there's NO religion. It was Satan's idea of settin' up too many religions to cause war - IMO. No one can say that their religion is better than the other ... or for that matter, no other religion is better than anyone's religion.

There's no religion in the eyes of God.

 

[Momoftwo]

FYI, there's NO religion. It was Satan's idea of settin' up too many religions to cause war - IMO. No one can say that their religion is better than the other ... or for that matter, no other religion is better than anyone's religion.

There's no religion in the eyes of God.

YES!!!!!!!!!! God does NOT need the regiliouses at all. God only wants people to be a SIMPLE christian (no regilious).

baptist, catholic, methodist, jehnovah witness, jewish temple, etc. are NOT what God needs them to be!

God wants them to have a FAITH in Him and read the bible on your own and try to understand what the scriptures mean. God knows that it is very difficult for everyone to understand what the scriptures mean. (I mean all of the scriptures). God said it is okay for people who have a hard time understanding what the scriptures mean. Most importantly, God wants you all to have a faith in Him.

I have a HUGE FAITH in Him. YES, God is THERE!!!! I've witnessed God already. I'm sure people would wonder what I said about witness God.....ok, I witnessed God who was Jesus. Of course, Jesus is God. God is Jesus. God created Jesus so God went into Jesus's body and taught people about God. Then when Jesus died, God came out of Jesus's body. Jesus and God are ONE (of course holy spirit, too).

I had this experience exactly....I was so angry for not getting his answers. Let me tell you....

Job 33:12-15

"But I'm telling you that you aren't right when you talk like that. After all, God is greater than a mere man. Why do you claim that God never answers any of our questions? He speaks on one way and then another. We might not even realize it. He might speak in a dream or in a vision at night."

(It matched to my experience - I said, "I never got God's answers, God is fake like Santa Claus, had a dream with Jesus/God that God talked to me while I was sleeping and had a dream with Him. God was not pleased with my bad words that I said to God.)

 

[Star]

MOMoftwo you said :

(YES!!!!!!!!!! God does NOT need the regiliouses at all. God only wants people to be a SIMPLE christian (no regilious).)

God want your soul not Christain. Christain is religion. You know there are so many religions. God is only one.It doesn't have to be religion to believes God.God did not plan anything and they made the plan. They did themselves. They made the choice. They made the religions not God. Nobody force me to believes, I made the choice to believes. I can believes whatever I want. I don't believes religions.
Anyway you had a dream you seen god in your "dream". Not when you are wide awake. You don't see god when you are wide awake. I think it is insane.
God is in your image. I have heard that many time. There is nothing news to me and it is same old story over again, over again and over again. I get so tired of hearing those story. I am glad I'm not Christain anyway. I am proud to be human being. That is my believes.

 

[Momoftwo]

MOMoftwo you said :

(YES!!!!!!!!!! God does NOT need the regiliouses at all. God only wants people to be a SIMPLE christian (no regilious).)

God want your soul not Christain. Christain is religion. You know there are so many religions. God is only one.It doesn't have to be religion to believes God.God did not plan anything and they made the plan. They did themselves. They made the choice. They made the religions not God. Nobody force me to believes, I made the choice to believes. I can believes whatever I want. I don't believes religions.
Anyway you had a dream you seen god in your "dream". Not when you are wide awake. You don't see god when you are wide awake. I think it is insane.
God is in your image. I have heard that many time. There is nothing news to me and it is same old story over again, over again and over again. I get so tired of hearing those story. I am glad I'm not Christain anyway. I am proud to be human being. That is my believes.

Being christian means believe in God and Jesus who died for us. It's not regilion. God needs us to have a faith in Him, wants our soul...not regilous. Maybe your definition and my defintion are different but different understanding of what christian means.

Ok, let me share with you of my dream story. I'm very humble but very glad to share with you and others. Go look at another post in this section.