Why my wife and I want our children to hear and speak a little.

For what it's worth, I am for freedom of choice. I am neutral. I am Switzerland. I won't judge you one way or the other. All I would say is make sure you educate yourself on the risks and rewards and set your expectations accordingly.
 
rockdrummer said:
For what it's worth, I am for freedom of choice. I am neutral. I am Switzerland. I won't judge you one way or the other. All I would say is make sure you educate yourself on the risks and rewards and set your expectations accordingly.
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That's a good point of view. :thumb:
 
greema said:
:popcorn: I am jumping in late on this thread, but I want everyone to be aware that I am Fragmenter's mom and I am proud to see him carrying on this discussion and my husband and I stand by him and his wife all the way... We found out over a week ago about their considering CI for their son, our grandson and now we are convinced they are moving in the right direction for him. Mind you, we have been SO against CI ever since it begun up until our first conversation with Fragmenter and his wife. My husband and I are very willing to keep an open mind and listen to their reasonings and I have discussed with a few deaf peers and for the most part, I have found them to positively respond. An oral school here in our city has been graduating their students (most of them have CI) at the fourth grade level and sending them on to public schools AND that school used to graduate the students up to the 8th grade level! I was very surprised to hear (well, yes us deafies are allowed to use that word, aren't we?!?) this bit of news.
Very good thread! Just don't mind those trying to stir up the pot without opening up their minds and consider the facts.
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Great post! You sound such a strong and supportive family.
 
greema said:
:popcorn: I am jumping in late on this thread, but I want everyone to be aware that I am Fragmenter's mom and I am proud to see him carrying on this discussion and my husband and I stand by him and his wife all the way... We found out over a week ago about their considering CI for their son, our grandson and now we are convinced they are moving in the right direction for him. Mind you, we have been SO against CI ever since it begun up until our first conversation with Fragmenter and his wife. My husband and I are very willing to keep an open mind and listen to their reasonings and I have discussed with a few deaf peers and for the most part, I have found them to positively respond. An oral school here in our city has been graduating their students (most of them have CI) at the fourth grade level and sending them on to public schools AND that school used to graduate the students up to the 8th grade level! I was very surprised to hear (well, yes us deafies are allowed to use that word, aren't we?!?) this bit of news.
Very good thread! Just don't mind those trying to stir up the pot without opening up their minds and consider the facts.
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wonderful to hear that and interesting tidbit about the schools you mentioned.. kinda prove the point from the research done by Gallaudet regarding literacy.
 
greema said:
:popcorn: I am jumping in late on this thread, but I want everyone to be aware that I am Fragmenter's mom and I am proud to see him carrying on this discussion ............
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Welcome,
It's wonderful to see you here.
Hope you'll share some more experiences with us.

Nice meeting you

Cloggy
 
rockdrummer said:
All I would say is make sure you educate yourself on the risks and rewards and set your expectations accordingly.
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Of course we have weighted everything; it's my son, not a test lab rat.
 
Originally Posted by greema

:popcorn: I am jumping in late on this thread, but I want everyone to be aware that I am Fragmenter's mom and I am proud to see him carrying on this discussion and my husband and I stand by him and his wife all the way... We found out over a week ago about their considering CI for their son, our grandson and now we are convinced they are moving in the right direction for him. Mind you, we have been SO against CI ever since it begun up until our first conversation with Fragmenter and his wife. My husband and I are very willing to keep an open mind and listen to their reasonings and I have discussed with a few deaf peers and for the most part, I have found them to positively respond. An oral school here in our city has been graduating their students (most of them have CI) at the fourth grade level and sending them on to public schools AND that school used to graduate the students up to the 8th grade level! I was very surprised to hear (well, yes us deafies are allowed to use that word, aren't we?!?) this bit of news.
Very good thread! Just don't mind those trying to stir up the pot without opening up their minds and consider the facts.
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Originally Posted by Fragmenter

:) I love you, mom.
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Your post here shows how much you care about Fragmenter and respect his decision for his son which it's good! No wonder, why Fragmenter love and respect you more for that, greema... :thumb:

To me, mainly important to expose the children to both worlds... It's great if the parents expose their deaf children to both worlds!
 
rockdrummer said:
For what it's worth, I am for freedom of choice. I am neutral. I am Switzerland. I won't judge you one way or the other. All I would say is make sure you educate yourself on the risks and rewards and set your expectations accordingly.
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Are you swiss, not American?
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Are you swiss, not American?
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No :)
Switserland was neutral during all wars.... (WW-I and WWW-II)

Well, neutral.. but that's another story...
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Are you swiss, not American?
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No , I am American and I was referring to Switzerland as Cloggy mentioned. It just means that I am neutral.
 
Oooh I got it... Thank you, Cloggy & Rockdrummer... :thumb:

Yes, me too. All what I do is respect every parent's decision but I only make sure they expose their deaf children to both worlds.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Oooh I got it... Thank you, Cloggy & Rockdrummer... :thumb:

Yes, me too. All what I do is respect every parent's decision but I only make sure they expose their deaf children to both worlds.
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absolutly, From what I have learned here, it's when someone that is deaf or HOH shuns the deaf community because they have assimilated with the hearing world that causes problems with some deaf folks. In my opinion, it seems a bit arrogant when someone does this.
 
rockdrummer said:
absolutly, From what I have learned here, it's when someone that is deaf or HOH shuns the deaf community because they have assimilated with the hearing world that causes problems with some deaf folks. In my opinion, it seems a bit arrogant when someone does this.
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Er...which party are you referring to that is arrogant? The deaf folks getting upset with the assimilators or the assimilators shunning the deaf community?

If it is the later, I will add my two cents as I'm in that category and it isn't as simple as it appears...believe me it isn't... :whistle:
 
rockdrummer said:
absolutly, From what I have learned here, it's when someone that is deaf or HOH shuns the deaf community because they have assimilated with the hearing world that causes problems with some deaf folks. In my opinion, it seems a bit arrogant when someone does this.
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Exactly. :gpost:
 
I'm afraid but aren't you guys hearing? You don't know what it's like to live in a silent world.

Not all deaf people want to be deaf so why can't their feelings be respected?
 
sr171soars said:
Er...which party are you referring to that is arrogant? The deaf folks getting upset with the assimilators or the assimilators shunning the deaf community? If it is the later, I will add my two cents as I'm in that category and it isn't as simple as it appears...believe me it isn't... :whistle:
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First of all, this is just my opinion. To me, if you were part of a community and had made friends there, to to deliberately and especially habitually avoid (or shun) them seems on the surface to be arrogant. I accept that it's probably not that simple and would invite you to please explain to me some of the details as it helps me understand this further. To answer your question, I think the shunning can be bi-directional but now I am questioning my use of the word arrogance.
 
Fragmenter said:
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Not all deaf people want to be deaf so why can't their feelings be respected?
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BINGO!!! Thanks. I explain as I await Rockdrummer's clarification (why push the cart before the horse!) ;)
 
sr171soars said:
BINGO!!! Thanks. I explain as I await Rockdrummer's clarification (why push the cart before the horse!) ;)
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I think our posts crossed and hopefully the clearification you seek is above your post.
 
rockdrummer said:
First of all, this is just my opinion. To me, if you were part of a community and had made friends there, to to deliberately and especially habitually avoid (or shun) them seems on the surface to be arrogant. I accept that it's probably not that simple and would invite you to please explain to me some of the details as it helps me understand this further. To answer your question, I think the shunning can be bi-directional but now I am questioning my use of the word arrogance.
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There are some of us deaf particularily HOH types that never were in the deaf community to begin with. I have no beef with the deaf community at all and it explains my current gig visiting this site (to learn more about my dark side...er deaf side [lest anybody be offended...just a pun!!!]). So, if I were never a part of it, then who I'm I shunning? I have totally assimulated myself into the hearing world and I have no friends or family in the deaf world. The closet I get to it is a hearing friend who happens to be a very good deaf interpretator for our church's deaf group. I don't know how to sign as it has never been necessary for me to do so. Should I? Well, if I knew that I would use often, maybe I would. Languages are hard to learn and even harder to keep (especially when you are older).

I will repeat a story that partly explains my orientation to the hearing world. I was visiting a former deaf teacher (when I used to be in a deaf school for about four years before being mainstreamed) at G.U. in DC. I couldn't believe the snotty attitudes toward me! They basically said I was hearing but that is not true as I'm neither truly deaf nor hearing (a 'tweener). That sense of rejection kind of pointed out to me that "who needs this" and continue on with my life in the hearing world. Since, I went to college, I have always been accepted in the hearing world and it was all I needed to function and survive. Now, I realize I'm one of those overachievers who can fool just about any hearing person into thinking I'm hearing. It might have been a different issue if I couldn't do what I could do with listening and speaking abilities.

Hope that explains my position better...I will say that I had to pay a price for that assimilation effort but it has paid off in spades for me. I have a saying that I'm a hearing person who happens to be deaf!
 
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